Ideas for future items/ gameplay innovations

nate

2004-02-08 11:36:11 pm

Quote from Faust:

If a game that seems as disorienting as Sonic the Hedgehog can be made in 3D, I think they can do the screw attack.

i agree. they're flickerbatted.

Toozin

2004-02-08 11:42:11 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Ironically enough, the 3D Sonic the Hedgehog games are actually more disorienting when you stop moving fast.

The Last Metroid

2004-02-09 02:10:10 am

That's very true, Toozin.

And while we're on the subject, Naka-san needs to make a new NiGhT's game.

Syl

2004-02-09 12:37:38 pm

Quote from The Last Metroid:

That's very true, Toozin.

And while we're on the subject, Naka-san needs to make a new NiGhT's game.

which he recently announced was currently NOT in devolopement, but he does want to make one... eventually

Yeah, i gues that shinespark could work well if done correctly, i see 2 ways for this...

A. 3d zoomed out:
when you achieve speed boost speed, the camera "lags" out of samus head which is how the transition to 3d works, she running all shiny like through multiple things, when fully charged, her suit starts opening up a little bit... when you stop, a 3d aiming device (you know, multiple O O O O or something of the sort in the direction your going to launch) will appear.. you have about 5 seconds, then you go flying in that direction. when you hit something solid or have to stop, the force of impact would cause the camera to go back into the suit..
if you hit a wall while running or if you just stopped, the force of impact forces the camera back into her head, or just it would keep moving while she stopped....

B. staying in the suit.
I guess while running there could be some sort of glowly something on the edges of the screen along with distorted "tunnel" vision (fisheye or some sort)
launching the shinespark would be something along with just aiming with R.

i dunno, still doesn't seem like it would be that smooth, but thats just me talking.

[quote="The Last Metroid"][b]That's very true, Toozin.

And while we're on the subject, Naka-san needs to make a new NiGhT's game.[/b][/quote]
which he recently announced was currently [i]NOT[/i] in devolopement, but he [i]does[/i] want to make one... eventually

Yeah, i gues that shinespark could work well if done correctly, i see 2 ways for this...

A. 3d zoomed out:
when you achieve speed boost speed, the camera "lags" out of samus head which is how the transition to 3d works, she running all shiny like through multiple things, when fully charged, her suit starts opening up a little bit...  when you stop, a 3d aiming device (you know, multiple O O O O or something of the sort in the direction your going to launch) will appear.. you have about 5 seconds, then you go flying in that direction.  when you hit something solid or have to stop, the force of impact would cause the camera to go back into the suit..
if you hit a wall while running or if you just stopped, the force of impact forces the camera back into her head, or just it would keep moving while she stopped....

B. staying in the suit.
I guess while running there could be some sort of glowly something on the edges of the screen along with distorted "tunnel" vision (fisheye or some sort)  
launching the shinespark would be something  along with just aiming with R.

i dunno, still doesn't seem like it would be that smooth, but thats just me talking.

DominicanZero

2004-02-09 01:17:25 pm

直死の魔眼使い

Quote from Syl_Aran:

A. 3d zoomed out:
when you achieve speed boost speed, the camera "lags" out of samus head which is how the transition to 3d works, she running all shiny like through multiple things, when fully charged, her suit starts opening up a little bit... when you stop, a 3d aiming device (you know, multiple O O O O or something of the sort in the direction your going to launch) will appear.. you have about 5 seconds, then you go flying in that direction. when you hit something solid or have to stop, the force of impact would cause the camera to go back into the suit..
if you hit a wall while running or if you just stopped, the force of impact forces the camera back into her head, or just it would keep moving while she stopped....

To me that's the only way that would make sense at all.

Chozo-Ghost

2004-02-09 03:04:54 pm

I really missed the speed booster in Prime. I also think the temporary 3D person view would be the best solution.

The problem with space jump and shinespark is the relative high number of open air areas in Prime. They would have to force you to stay below a certain high and that wouldn't be _to_ high... IF they bring these technniques, they will probably have to change the level architecture drastically (more caves and rooms)

The Prime 2 trailer show that there seem to be morph ball jump in the next game, but this may only be in this cutscene.

I hope they reuse the missile system, because in Super I nearly never shoot any missile except where nothing other could harm the opponent (e. g. metroids) In Prime the better weapons just used more missiles, which made them never useless (Super Missiles :D )

Anyone other noticed that the Thermal Visor acted nearly like a X-Ray visor, and the X-Ray visor only let you see through the special obstacles ... and your rigth arm... :?

Id of Ith

2004-02-18 08:00:54 am

Quote from Rox:

Adding two new items to every new game released tends to ruin thing. I already think Fusion and Zero Mission are going a bit too far. Wide beam? Power grip? What?!

It starts out with getting good ideas to enhance gameplay, and ends with having to toss in tons of new stuff to get games sold. I mean, come on, was the long beam thing really neccessary?

If I could decide, I'd remove several "standard" items and make room for new, more discreet things. One thing I never really liked in the old-skool Metroids are the beam combinations. So sue me. It works, it's fun, but I have NO idea how the hell you're supposed to make plasma out of pure electrons that freeze creatures on impact. I'd prefer if only some things could be combined. Now, charge combos like in Prime would work excellently in all games, though, if the cost wasn't that damn high. Give that flamethrower a near-instant kill, make the wavebuster's beam have a chain lightning effect and triple the freeze time and area of the ice spreader, THEN we're talking.

Also, I was never a fan of the continous space jump. I'd prefer a plain old double jump, like Prime did it. Maybe do it the way Super Smash Bros. did it? Two jumps finished off with a screw attack for three times the height/length.... It _could_ work... As for completely new things... hmmm... How does a flashlight sound? Maybe do what I'm doing in one of the game projects I'm working on, and have a photon cannon. That is, a beam of light strong enough to burn enemies. The charge combo for that could work as a powerful blast, followed by the arm cannon emitting light for half a minute or so. Then we could have the obligatory boss that can only be damaged by destroying the lights in the room to make it activate its night vision, then shoot it in the eye with a beam of pure light But hey, I'm already using that idea.

How about.... umm... Nah, I need all the ideas for myself, I won't waste them here. ... oy... Damn, I type a lot...

Random/pointless/unnecessary note: The Long Beam is part of the original Metroid. That's probably why it was left in.

Also, I disagree with the idea that they should stop inventing new upgrades. With the way it works in Fusion and Zero Mission, it does not feel (to me, anyway) that they went overboard at all. All of the upgrades serve a purpose (other than maybe the "Spring Ball", though it's been in every game except the original); if they started adding a lot of upgrades that seem extraneous, then I would get worried. As long as they invent upgrades that have add new gameplay mechanics, and find ways to implement those mechanics into the level design well, I'm all for it.

[quote="Rox"]Adding two new items to every new game released tends to ruin thing. I already think Fusion and Zero Mission are going a bit too far. Wide beam? Power grip? What?!

It starts out with getting good ideas to enhance gameplay, and ends with having to toss in tons of new stuff to get games sold. I mean, come on, was the long beam thing really neccessary?

If I could decide, I'd remove several "standard" items and make room for new, more discreet things. One thing I never really liked in the old-skool Metroids are the beam combinations. So sue me. It works, it's fun, but I have NO idea how the hell you're supposed to make plasma out of pure electrons that freeze creatures on impact. I'd prefer if only some things could be combined. Now, charge combos like in Prime would work excellently in all games, though, if the cost wasn't that damn high. Give that flamethrower a near-instant kill, make the wavebuster's beam have a chain lightning effect and triple the freeze time and area of the ice spreader, THEN we're talking.

Also, I was never a fan of the continous space jump. I'd prefer a plain old  double jump, like Prime did it. Maybe do it the way Super Smash Bros. did it? Two jumps finished off with a screw attack for three times the height/length.... It _could_ work... As for completely new things... hmmm... How does a flashlight sound? Maybe do what I'm doing in one of the game projects I'm working on, and have a photon cannon. That is, a beam of light strong enough to burn enemies. The charge combo for that could work as a powerful blast, followed by the arm cannon emitting light for half a minute or so. Then we could have the obligatory boss that can only be damaged by destroying the lights in the room to make it activate its night vision, then shoot it in the eye with a beam of pure light But hey, I'm already using that idea.

How about.... umm... Nah, I need all the ideas for myself, I won't waste them here. ... oy... Damn, I type a lot...[/quote]

Random/pointless/unnecessary note: The Long Beam is part of the original Metroid. That's probably why it was left in.

Also, I disagree with the idea that they should stop inventing new upgrades. With the way it works in Fusion and Zero Mission, it does not feel (to me, anyway) that they went overboard at all. All of the upgrades serve a purpose (other than maybe the "Spring Ball", though it's been in every game except the original); if they started adding a lot of upgrades that seem extraneous, then I would get worried. As long as they invent upgrades that have add new gameplay mechanics, and find ways to implement those mechanics into the level design well, I'm all for it.

Xoc

2004-02-18 04:39:54 pm

Random/pointless/unnecessary note: the "Spring Ball" wasn't in Prime either.

The only complaint I have about the Power Grip in ZM is that it was an upgrade, unlike Fusion. But since ZM is basically Fusion II...

SABERinBLUE

2004-03-21 04:25:33 pm

Cook of the Sea

It would be great to see Beam-Missile Combos in a side-scroller. Also switchable Beams. You could have the switch set to Select+D-pad since they appear to be leaning away from having to pause to switch anything. A richceting Beam would rock, too.

Light of Day

2004-03-21 05:16:46 pm

Well, you had beam/power bomb combos in Super. That's kind of like a beam/missile combo.

Yoshi348

2004-03-21 05:46:58 pm

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Ready and willing.

Quote from Light of Day:

Well, you had beam/power bomb combos in Super. That's kind of like a beam/missile combo.

Well, yeah, but... they sucked. In Prime, only one sucked. :)

SABERinBLUE

2004-03-21 06:25:13 pm

Cook of the Sea

Quote from Yoshi348:

Quote from Light of Day:

Well, you had beam/power bomb combos in Super. That's kind of like a beam/missile combo.

Well, yeah, but... they sucked. In Prime, only one sucked. :)

not to mention that III's combos served a totally different purpose than Beam-Missile Combos. Which of those sucked, Yoshi? I've only seen Super Missile and Wavebuster, and Wavebuster was only on a friend's game. I'm not very good at Prime...

Yoshi348

2004-03-21 07:07:53 pm

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Ready and willing.

Flamethrower. It looks totally cool, but has a range of about 2 feet.

SABERinBLUE

2004-03-21 07:23:16 pm

Cook of the Sea

Ah. It was cool in SSBM, and I think that's the reason they decided to include it in Prime, becasue everyone was wondering where the heck Samus got a Flamethrower.

Metroid Prime

2004-03-21 07:24:32 pm

Quote from Yoshi348:

Flamethrower. It looks totally cool, but has a range of about 2 feet.

Doesn't Wavebuster have infinite range?

SABERinBLUE

2004-03-21 07:27:51 pm

Cook of the Sea

I don't know. I only ever used it once, and that was in a Save Room just to see how it looked. I'd assume that it has some kind of finite range, though.

Metroid Prime

2004-03-21 07:30:10 pm

Well, I know that it can go through walls and it takes a while to get to your opponent. I alos know that it has quite a bit of range, but I'm wondering about infinite.

Yoshi348

2004-03-21 07:31:58 pm

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Ready and willing.

Wavebuster + Meta Ridely - PAL version = Supreme pwnage. And the Wavebuster also helps if you suck at the invisible drone. But... is there anyplace anymore where a real speed run uses the wavebuster, now that we have the boost attack on Ridely?

Metroid Prime

2004-03-21 07:37:33 pm

Quote from Yoshi348:

Wavebuster + Meta Ridely - PAL version = Supreme pwnage. And the Wavebuster also helps if you suck at the invisible drone. But... is there anyplace anymore where a real speed run uses the wavebuster, now that we have the boost attack on Ridely?

I hate acting stupid, but what does pwn mean?

SABERinBLUE

2004-03-21 07:40:08 pm

Cook of the Sea

It means to absolutely destroy or beat very, very badly, esp. in video games. It's mostly PC gamer slang, from my experience. And it's pronounced "pone".

Metroid Prime

2004-03-21 07:43:15 pm

Oh, okay. Makes sense now. Laughing

SABERinBLUE

2004-03-21 07:55:05 pm

Cook of the Sea

Yeah, that's the kind of thing that you really can't figure out on your own. I mean, they spell it pwn. English isn't that messed up...

Metroid Prime

2004-03-21 07:58:50 pm

*sigh*

*gets out English language rules and pronunciations book*

Now let's see here...Chapter 82, Section 23, Rule 11, Line 23 of page 8,378...

"The English language is screwed up beyond all imagination!"

Yes, that's what it says... Rolling Eyes

SABERinBLUE

2004-03-21 08:12:02 pm

Cook of the Sea

Therefore, since I can imagine that it would be so scrwed up as to allow pwn to be promounced pone, it can't be that screwed up.

Edit: You see, Toozin? That's the benefit of having dumb speculation debates on message boards. You end up having logic like that.

Light of Day

2004-03-21 08:32:39 pm

Wavebuster is still useful against Primes first form. As near as I know it's faster to use all your beam-missle combos against it (except for the flamethrower).