Early Items in Metroid Fusion

2010-03-27 03:57:01 am

I know there is a topic about a TAS on early items in Metroid Fusion. I do not feel like downloading an emulator to watch it, so what exactly happens in that TAS?

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Opium

2010-03-27 05:09:46 am

You shouldn't have to download an emulator to watch some videos since the only ones I have ever seen on this subject are in a normal video format.

Basically what happens is: nothing. I believe Fusion is programmed in a way that doesn't allow you to get an item early. For example, if you DID pick up an early PB tank, it wouldn't give you the ability to use PB's until you got the intended first PB tank.

P.JMan

2010-03-27 08:11:20 am

I like Big Butts and I can not lie

You've not played Fusion in a while, have you Opium. All the expansions you get do increase your maximum of that ammo, however you don't get to use them until you download them.

Opium

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Opium: 2010-03-27 08:32:48 am

2010-03-27 08:31:00 am

Quote from Opium:

You shouldn't have to download an emulator to watch some videos since the only ones I have ever seen on this subject are in a normal video format.

Basically what happens is: nothing. I believe Fusion is programmed in a way that doesn't allow you to get an item early. For example, if you DID pick up an early PB tank, it wouldn't give you the ability to use PB's until you ~~got the intended first PB tank.~~ downloaded the ability.

Fixed.

I play it often, just never tried to get an early item since it's kinda pointless.

wat

2010-03-27 02:18:39 pm

Quote from Opium:

You shouldn't have to download an emulator to watch some videos since the only ones I have ever seen on this subject are in a normal video format.

Basically what happens is: nothing. I believe Fusion is programmed in a way that doesn't allow you to get an item early. For example, if you DID pick up an early PB tank, it wouldn't give you the ability to use PB's until you got the intended first PB tank.

I don't know how to open .vbm with Visual Boy Advance.

Gamma_Metroid

2010-03-27 02:28:34 pm

Tools>Play>Start playing movie...
Press OK, then open up the file.

wat

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wat: 2010-03-27 02:40:10 pm

wat: 2010-03-27 02:34:10 pm

wat: 2010-03-27 02:33:22 pm

2010-03-27 02:30:14 pm

Thank you.

Any ideas on why Samus just idles under her ship?

BioSpark

2010-03-27 03:35:25 pm

opium: it's a run i made. i never bothered encoding it.

basically i get almost every expansion as soon as possible. iirc i get five early power bomb tanks. the movie probably desynced, make sure you download the latest version of vba here. also make sure you have a good copy of the rom.

wat

2010-03-27 10:37:11 pm

I suppose there is no chance you could encode it? I badly want to watch this video, even if you just record your screen with hypercam I'd be content.

BioSpark

2010-03-28 03:24:19 am

i'll see what i can do.

wat

2010-06-05 12:56:40 am

Any update on this?

BioSpark

2010-06-05 02:19:47 am

nope. surely you can figure out how to play the vbm file.

P.JMan

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P.JMan: 2010-06-09 01:38:14 pm

P.JMan: 2010-06-09 01:37:50 pm

2010-06-09 01:37:21 pm

I like Big Butts and I can not lie

Here ya go, hope that's ok with you BioSpark

BioSpark

2010-06-09 02:31:18 pm

cool.

sabata2

2010-06-09 06:42:28 pm

ANKOKU

The run stops at getting the Space Jump?

Also PJ, sort that playlist man! it plays backwards.

Quietus

2010-06-09 07:31:59 pm

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

The run probably stops there because it's just a display of all of the items you can get early. Everything is probably normal.

sabata2

2010-06-09 07:34:29 pm

ANKOKU

Well I meant, at the point you get the Space Jump is the point you can get every item?

Or at that point, there are no more items you can get without getting the next plot driven powerup?

Quietus

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Quietus: 2010-06-09 08:23:01 pm

Quietus: 2010-06-09 07:45:20 pm

2010-06-09 07:39:45 pm

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

No, it's a specific run deliberately showing all of the items that can be collected 'early'. It's just the way the game is designed. I believe you can get them early, but you can't use any of them until you actually unlock the ability in its normal sequence of events, so although it helps toward you collection percentage, it doesn't help your run item-wise. That's how I read it anyway...

You'll see two minutes into video 2 that he collects Power Bombs, but has no icon at the top of the screen, so he can't use them.

Edit: Having watched it all, I kind of agree with you. Even though it appears to start as the run I described, it does seem odd to just stop there. Think

SANOJSIEMANYM

2010-06-09 08:58:46 pm

I didn't know about the trick to fight the spider. I really didn't, LOL. That was amazing. What exactly did he do?

sabata2

2010-06-09 10:27:57 pm

ANKOKU

Quote from Quietus:

Having watched it all, I kind of agree with you. Even though it appears to start as the run I described, it does seem odd to just stop there. Think

That's why more and more I'm starting to believe that he's gotten everything possible up to that point AND everything after that is specifically locked behind the next plot driven power up.

For example, say a power up is behind a wave beam door, and you can't get to the item from the opposite side. This is a power up that requires the next Plot Driven power up to get, and thus cannot be gotten early.

I think that at the point he's gotten the space jump, there are only power ups like my example left.

P.JMan

2010-06-10 03:34:21 pm

I like Big Butts and I can not lie

Quote from sabata2:

The run stops at getting the Space Jump?

Also PJ, sort that playlist man! it plays backwards.

I did, but it doesn't seem to have affected the playlist at all, or it just needs time to push the change in effect

P.JMan

2010-06-10 03:35:31 pm

I like Big Butts and I can not lie

As for why the movie stopped at Yakuza, see here

Quietus

2010-06-10 03:53:31 pm

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

Thanks, P.J. That makes sense.

sabata2

2010-06-10 05:16:04 pm

ANKOKU

ah... Maybe.

But he didn't get the powerup.

Bah... sucks it kept glitching. :(

BioSpark

2010-06-10 08:42:14 pm

yeah, i don't think there were many early expansions after that, if any at all. iirc i already had 230 missiles so i can't imagine there being much left.