Anyone find "actual" sequence breaks?

2004-03-18 04:04:25 am

I didn't really keep up, but I remember that just about every trick found in MZM was something included intentionally by the designers. All the shortcuts, bomb jumps, early supers, kraid without grip, early ridley, and so forth.

So was there anything that was clearly not intended, like doing Kraid in SM without hijump?

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nate

2004-03-18 05:57:58 am

hbj afaik, the horizontal bomb jump across kraid's lair to skip turning on the ziplines iirc.

(could i have used any more acronyms?)

BleedingSnow

2004-03-18 04:31:03 pm

You can also do it with some clever powergripping.

How was getting to Kraid without high jump unintentional? They clearly showed bomb jumping to the top of crateria in the demos at the title screen -- no different here. Something unintentional would probably be beating the game without suits. Or skipping grapple...maybe.

Smops

2004-03-18 05:02:44 pm

You will receive Varia & Gravity when you get your fully powered suit.

And yeah, no "actual" sequence breaks exist, but they never really did exist, except when done with a glitch, like using the Crystal Flash in SM to sit in a morph-ball shaft, or shooting one-way-gates from the other side, thanks to bugs.

No bugs discovered yet in ZM, so no actual sequence breaks.

Pekod

2004-03-18 07:46:28 pm

I guess its completely subjective, since we don't know what the designers knew about and what might have been a surprise to them.

Does it have to be a bug? Or is any design oversight automatically a bug?

Smops

2004-03-19 09:49:18 am

I think the game is tested enough to not overlook things :P

nate

2004-03-19 11:07:04 am

Quote from Smops:

I think the game is tested enough to not overlook things :P

apparently.

fractic

2004-03-19 11:38:04 am

Quote from njahnke:

Quote from Smops:

I think the game is tested enough to not overlook things :P

apparently.

i think the developers don't have enough money to spend it on that.

webrunner

2004-03-19 01:46:29 pm

It's reasonable to assume stuff that was in older metroid games that weren't in Fusion (IBJ, HBJ, DBJ) were known about. They probably also knew about one-wall jumping. But maybe there's some place where it wasn't intended that you should be able to one-wall jump (since they didn't realize it) like the Crateria super missile. Or not, since it's a pretty obvious place.

The game doesn't crash if you get more than one statue pointing at stuff so they probably knew that was possible too.

Smops

2004-03-19 02:08:31 pm

They MADE the sequence breaks, they are all obvious, except maybe the bomb jumping to get the Varia suit.

Screw attack: The missile blocks
Ridley before kraid: same

etc etc.

Radix

2004-03-19 06:20:42 pm

I would definitely classify skipping the zip line activation and acid worm as unintentional.