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2015-07-01 08:53:40 pm

Yeah i can understand why some people don't really feel much incentive to replay echoes lol.

And corruption's backtracking is pretty silly. Though to its credit, it requieres the least endgame "key" collection since not all of them are required (mp1/mp2 have artifacts/sky temple keys). The problem I have with the energy cell collection, though, is that they're really just an afterthought; half of them are practically force-fed to you, and you only need half of them to beat the game as intended, so it's basically "...why does this exist?"

arkarian

2015-07-01 08:56:40 pm

red chamber dream

yeah it didn't make any sense to me either haha

but like i've said for years, it's not surprising because retro wasn't a great developer back then. they knew how to make mechanics feel good, but didn't know how to do story or make a game feel cohesive overall. i stand by that opinion; i really don't think echoes or corruption are good games, period. it's fine that people like echoes for speed running and have a fondness for the game because of that, but i think it's tough to make an argument that either of the prime sequels are actually good as vanilla games. ymmv of course ...

kirbymastah

2015-07-01 09:02:17 pm

fair enough, i think they're all good games (with flaws), given that i run all three. Yes including corruption XD to each their own though

arkarian

2015-07-01 09:04:54 pm

red chamber dream

i hear ya, i get that personal taste sometimes defies logic

Aruki

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2015-07-01 10:31:31 pm

Quote from arkarian:

and complaining about it will just make me do it more lol

yall have had since 2009 to adjust to tf, sorry if you haven't learned by now

It's not that we haven't adjusted, we just don't agree with you. <_<

I'm interested in seeing people talk about the new glitch that Miles found, I'm not so interested in 4 pages of people talking about whether Echoes and Corruption are any good for the thousandth time in a thread that has nothing to do with that. Sure, you can say "anyone can just post if they have something on-topic to say" but if I want to know if there's been an on-topic post made I have to wade through all this shit.

I don't think there's no value in having more fluid conversations but when every thread devolves into page after page of off-topic rambling it's just obnoxious.

arkarian

2015-07-01 10:37:07 pm

red chamber dream

right, but as i've explained 4589723450928 times, if people wanted to talk about the new glitch they would be. this has been proven over the past 6 years in the social boards. threads never "derail" for any significant amount of time when there is actually interest in the topic.

i'm not going to say it again. if you don't believe me that's fine, but i'm done explaining why taiga forum works. it's not my opinion and you can't disagree without being ignorant. maybe you should visit the social boards sometime.

arkarian

2015-07-01 10:40:01 pm

red chamber dream

as for the history thing, sorry but that's been gone for 6 years too. m2k2 forum is not a historical record. it's a forum, where people talk to each other

Aruki

2015-07-01 10:44:30 pm

But I still need to read several pages of chatter that has nothing to do with the glitch if I want to know whether people are talking about the glitch. What would be so awful about moving off-topic discussions to another thread?

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as for the history thing, sorry but that's been gone for 6 years too. m2k2 forum is not a historical record. it's a forum, where people talk to each other

m2k2 is the primary place where people have been talking about sequence breaking and speedrunning Metroid games since 2003. It's only not a historical record if you think there's no reason to ever look through old posts and read about how runs of the games evolved over time. (incidentally, this is the exact reason why the original GameFAQs threads are archived on the main site.) If you think that, then you may as well nuke all old threads after a year or two of inactivity.

TheMG2

2015-07-01 10:46:42 pm

The thing is though is that a bunch of people look into this kind of thread expecting related discussion. It works in the social board because people don't expect anything other than free conversation. Some people don't go here for that. In some of the more speedrunning related threads, people want to see topic related discussion.

arkarian

2015-07-01 10:49:45 pm

red chamber dream

Quote from Parax:

But I still need to read several pages of chatter that has nothing to do with the glitch if I want to know whether people are talking about the glitch..

you say this as if it's a huge deal. you don't have to "read several pages of chatter", you have to skim a couple pages (if you have the page post count at max) very quickly. it's not hard. this thread is only on its second page, ffs. it takes under 10 seconds to find the relevant conversation on each page.

Quote from Parax:

If you think that, then you may as well nuke all old threads after a year or two of inactivity.

nah this doesn't make any sense and is a dumb argument and you know it ... why would anyone do that lol

Quote from TheMG2:

The thing is though is that a bunch of people look into this kind of thread expecting related discussion. It works in the social board because people don't expect anything other than free conversation. Some people don't go here for that. In some of the more speedrunning related threads, people want to see topic related discussion.

ok. show me the discussion then: it's all on the first page. afer that, people realized there wasn't anything to discuss and instead starting conversing like human beings tend to do. it's what we do. it's why this forum exists. it's not just for people to suck knowledge of out of each other like robots. look i know the metroid boards are like 50% assburgers but that doesn't mean people can't talk to each other like normal people when they want to.

[quote="Parax"]But I still need to read several pages of chatter that has nothing to do with the glitch if I want to know whether people are talking about the glitch..[/quote]
you say this as if it's a huge deal. you don't have to "read several pages of chatter", you have to skim a couple pages (if you have the page post count at max) very quickly. it's not hard. this thread is only on its second page, ffs. it takes under 10 seconds to find the relevant conversation on each page.

[quote="Parax"]If you think that, then you may as well nuke all old threads after a year or two of inactivity.[/quote]
nah this doesn't make any sense and is a dumb argument and you know it ... why would anyone do that lol

[quote="TheMG2"]The thing is though is that a bunch of people look into this kind of thread expecting related discussion. It works in the social board because people don't expect anything other than free conversation. Some people don't go here for that. In some of the more speedrunning related threads, people want to see topic related discussion.[/quote]
ok. show me the discussion then: it's all on the first page. afer that, people realized there wasn't anything to discuss and instead starting conversing like human beings tend to do. it's what we do. it's why this forum exists. it's not just for people to suck knowledge of out of each other like robots. look i know the metroid boards are like 50% assburgers but that doesn't mean people can't talk to each other like normal people when they want to.

arkarian

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2015-07-01 10:50:56 pm

red chamber dream

plus doesn't all this trick discussion take place on twitch anyway, where it's sure as fuck not permanent? also there's google if you need to search anything ... it indexes all of this forum, i promise you

Aruki

2015-07-01 11:06:37 pm

Quote from arkarian:

Quote from Parax:

But I still need to read several pages of chatter that has nothing to do with the glitch if I want to know whether people are talking about the glitch..

you say this as if it's a huge deal. you don't have to "read several pages of chatter", you have to skim a couple pages (if you have the page post count at max) very quickly. it's not hard. this thread is only on its second page, ffs. it takes under 10 seconds to find the relevant conversation on each page.

I didn't say it was a huge deal, I said it was obnoxious. Which it is.

Quote from arkarian:

Quote from Parax:

If you think that, then you may as well nuke all old threads after a year or two of inactivity.

nah this doesn't make any sense and is a dumb argument and you know it ... why would anyone do that lol

My point is there's value in old posts... you seemed to be suggesting there wasn't.

Quote from arkarian:

Quote from TheMG2:

The thing is though is that a bunch of people look into this kind of thread expecting related discussion. It works in the social board because people don't expect anything other than free conversation. Some people don't go here for that. In some of the more speedrunning related threads, people want to see topic related discussion.

ok. show me the discussion then: it's all on the first page. afer that, people realized there wasn't anything to discuss and instead starting conversing like human beings tend to do. it's what we do. it's why this forum exists. it's not just for people to suck knowledge of out of each other like robots. look i know the metroid boards are like 50% assburgers but that doesn't mean people can't talk to each other like normal people when they want to.

Honestly pointing out that there's been no on-topic discussion since the first page is just.. proving his point. People who are coming here expecting relevant discussion are not going to find it. The thread's also a day old and I don't think you can seriously say that there's no interest in the subject or nothing left to say about it right now. Basically, just because you want to have a "normal" conversation, that doesn't mean that everyone else wants to read it.

Also it'd be cool if you could make your points without being condescending, thanks.

Quote from arkarian:

plus doesn't all this trick discussion take place on twitch anyway, where it's sure as fuck not permanent? also there's google if you need to search anything ... it indexes all of this forum, i promise you

Definitely not in twitch chats, lol. If anything it'd be either VODs (which are often archived if anything noteworthy happens in them) or IRC channels (which do have the same issue, but getting around that is generally what forums are for).

[quote="arkarian"][quote="Parax"]But I still need to read several pages of chatter that has nothing to do with the glitch if I want to know whether people are talking about the glitch..[/quote]
you say this as if it's a huge deal. you don't have to "read several pages of chatter", you have to skim a couple pages (if you have the page post count at max) very quickly. it's not hard. this thread is only on its second page, ffs. it takes under 10 seconds to find the relevant conversation on each page.[/quote]

I didn't say it was a huge deal, I said it was obnoxious. Which it is.

[quote="arkarian"][quote="Parax"]If you think that, then you may as well nuke all old threads after a year or two of inactivity.[/quote]
nah this doesn't make any sense and is a dumb argument and you know it ... why would anyone do that lol[/quote]

My point is there's value in old posts... you seemed to be suggesting there wasn't.

[quote="arkarian"][quote="TheMG2"]The thing is though is that a bunch of people look into this kind of thread expecting related discussion. It works in the social board because people don't expect anything other than free conversation. Some people don't go here for that. In some of the more speedrunning related threads, people want to see topic related discussion.[/quote]
ok. show me the discussion then: it's all on the first page. afer that, people realized there wasn't anything to discuss and instead starting conversing like human beings tend to do. it's what we do. it's why this forum exists. it's not just for people to suck knowledge of out of each other like robots. look i know the metroid boards are like 50% assburgers but that doesn't mean people can't talk to each other like normal people when they want to.[/quote]

Honestly pointing out that there's been no on-topic discussion since the first page is just.. proving his point. People who are coming here expecting relevant discussion are not going to find it. The thread's also [i]a day old[/i] and I don't think you can seriously say that there's no interest in the subject or nothing left to say about it right now. Basically, just because you want to have a "normal" conversation, that doesn't mean that everyone else wants to read it.

Also it'd be cool if you could make your points without being condescending, thanks.

[quote="arkarian"]plus doesn't all this trick discussion take place on twitch anyway, where it's sure as fuck not permanent? also there's google if you need to search anything ... it indexes all of this forum, i promise you[/quote]

Definitely not in twitch chats, lol. If anything it'd be either VODs (which are often archived if anything noteworthy happens in them) or IRC channels (which do have the same issue, but getting around that is generally what forums are for).

TheMG2

2015-07-01 11:08:38 pm

From what I can tell the only other places where discussion really takes place are skype + twitter really.

arkarian

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2015-07-01 11:15:16 pm

red chamber dream

Quote from Parax:

Honestly pointing out that there's been no on-topic discussion since the first page is just.. proving his point.

this is entirely wrong, as evinced by the past 6 years in the social boards which you never visit. don't blame me for your ignorance. you clearly don't understand how tf works.

Quote from Parax:

Also it'd be cool if you could make your points without being condescending, thanks.

being condescending yourself is not the way to go about making a point. this does nothing for me.

i wasn't being condescending. i was pointing out facts, which you don't understand because you rarely visit the social boards. if people were interested in this topic, i guarantee you they would still be posting about it. it happens every single fucking day in the social boards. the thing is, this is a very minor glitch that doesn't have any impact on speed running. it's just a novelty—a couple people commented on it, then they started to wonder about something more interesting—why the max item % is 255. there's nothing wrong with that. this forum is all about conversation. you can disagree, but that doesn't change the focus of this forum. again, the past 6 years have been evidence that it works fine. all the important speed running threads stay on-topic because people realize they're important. sorry, but this isn't that important of a thread.

[quote="Parax"]Honestly pointing out that there's been no on-topic discussion since the first page is just.. proving his point.[/quote]
this is entirely wrong, as evinced by the past 6 years in the social boards which you never visit. don't blame me for your ignorance. you clearly don't understand how tf works.

[quote="Parax"]
Also it'd be cool if you could make your points without being condescending, thanks.[/quote]
being condescending yourself is not the way to go about making a point. this does nothing for me.

i wasn't being condescending. i was pointing out facts, which you don't understand because you rarely visit the social boards. if people were interested in this topic, i guarantee you they would still be posting about it. it happens every single fucking day in the social boards. the thing is, this is a very minor glitch that doesn't have any impact on speed running. it's just a novelty—a couple people commented on it, then they started to wonder about something more interesting—why the max item % is 255. there's nothing wrong with that. this forum is all about conversation. you can disagree, but that doesn't change the focus of this forum. again, the past 6 years have been evidence that it works fine. all the important speed running threads stay on-topic because people realize they're important. sorry, but this isn't that important of a thread.

arkarian

2015-07-01 11:19:02 pm

red chamber dream

Quote from TheMG2:

From what I can tell the only other places where discussion really takes place are skype + twitter really.

ah well those are more permanent than m2k2 forum will ever be, so i wouldn't worry about that

arkarian

2015-07-01 11:19:39 pm

red chamber dream

i mean we're all just sitting here until nate gets bored of keeping the tf servers up anyway ;)

Aruki

2015-07-01 11:29:46 pm

Quote from arkarian:

Quote from Parax:

Honestly pointing out that there's been no on-topic discussion since the first page is just.. proving his point.

this is entirely wrong, as evinced by the past 6 years in the social boards which you never visit. don't blame me for your ignorance. you clearly don't understand how tf works.

I actually do visit the social boards from time to time, I just rarely ever want to actually post there. It is kinda silly to just keep suggesting that I don't understand how great tf is just because I prefer going to Metroid forums to talk about Metroid, but ok.

arkarian

2015-07-01 11:32:51 pm

red chamber dream

that's not what i'm saying at all, but go ahead and keep twisting my words, i'm going back to watching survivor

arkarian

2015-07-01 11:33:26 pm

red chamber dream

i appreciate you engaging rather than just making snarky comments

Aruki

2015-07-01 11:38:25 pm

I'm not trying to twist your words. You said that if I visited the social boards more often then I'd understand how tf works and be more ok with threads going off-topic, no? So does that not suggest to you that tf's concept works better in more general social boards than it does in boards with more specific topics? After all, if it worked equally well across the entire forum then I wouldn't need to visit a couple particular boards to grasp the concept of it.