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Lazylen

(user is banned)

2007-07-16 09:18:32 pm

my grade 11 precal seems pretty insignificant right now.

suttsman

2007-07-16 09:23:07 pm

Agent Heart

You guys just can't wait for school to start up again, can you? laugh new

Hey, this reminds me. I'm taking Algebra 2/Trig this year, since I used to be smart back in 6th grade, until 7th grade when, for no reason, about a quarter of my brain died. (That or I just stopped caring.)
Is it pretty tough?

Oh, and black holes rule.

TheCheruben

2007-07-16 09:49:23 pm

Quote from A Silly Goose:

1/0 is "undefined".

0/0, on the other hand, is anything and everything at once.

That's a good point. Conversely,One not divided by anything/divided by nothing is One because it's not divided. But then there's...

1 x ? = 0
0 x ? = 1
If we play around, we can find that: 1 0 = 0.
This tells us what the first ? could be. So 0/1 = 0.In the end, what makes something 'an answer; is that it checks when you multiply.
We have trouble finding anything which makes:
0 ? = 1.
Play as you like, 0 N = 0, for all the numbers the kids (and you) can think of.
So we don't have an answer to the question: 1/0 = ?
Well, later on, they will learn about more types of numbers, and more possibilities

Perhaps the answer they seek favors that One divided by No thing, or zero point, whatever exists below subatomics (like where a black hole goes?) is sure, it's zero hahah, since One has been reduced to what it came from.. no thing. It got divided by all the zero points it contained and was no more. Requiem....
EDIT: occured to me that all numbers can be put into equations with some kind of answer but not 1/0?? Repeat from earlier, zero as a 'number' is ludicrous, it was a later invention, a concept, so we see it fails to respond to math in the same way any other number, even negatives, do.

[quote="A Silly Goose"]1/0 is "undefined".

0/0, on the other hand, is [i]anything and everything at once[/i].[/quote]
That's a good point. Conversely,One not divided by anything/divided by nothing is One because it's not divided. But then there's...
[size=9px]
    1 x ? = 0
    0 x ? = 1
If we play around, we can find that:    1 0 = 0.
This tells us what the first ? could be. So 0/1 = 0.In the end, what makes something 'an answer; is that it checks when you multiply.
We have trouble finding anything which makes:
    0 ? = 1.
Play as you like, 0 N = 0, for all the numbers the kids (and you) can think of.
So we don't have an answer to the question: 1/0 = ?
Well, later on, they will learn about more types of numbers, and more possibilities

[/size]
Perhaps the answer they seek favors that One divided by No thing, or zero point, whatever exists below subatomics (like where a black hole goes?) is sure, it's zero hahah, since One has  been reduced to what it came from.. no thing. It got divided by all the zero points it contained and was no more. Requiem....
EDIT: occured to me that all numbers can be put into equations with some kind of answer but not[i] 1/0??[/i] Repeat from earlier, zero as a 'number' is ludicrous, it was a later invention, a concept, so we see it fails to respond to math in the same way any other number, even negatives, do.

Kejardon

2007-07-16 10:25:23 pm

Embarrasing Fact: Power suit made by lowest bidder

Hey, TheCheruben, what's 1 - 1?

StarmanHaxor

2007-07-16 10:30:48 pm

Quote from TheCheruben:

Quote from A Silly Goose:

1/0 is "undefined".

0/0, on the other hand, is anything and everything at once.

That's a good point. Conversely,One not divided by anything/divided by nothing is One because it's not divided. But then there's...

1 x ? = 0
0 x ? = 1
If we play around, we can find that: 1 0 = 0.
This tells us what the first ? could be. So 0/1 = 0.In the end, what makes something 'an answer; is that it checks when you multiply.
We have trouble finding anything which makes:
0 ? = 1.
Play as you like, 0 N = 0, for all the numbers the kids (and you) can think of.
So we don't have an answer to the question: 1/0 = ?
Well, later on, they will learn about more types of numbers, and more possibilities

Perhaps the answer they seek favors that One divided by No thing, or zero point, whatever exists below subatomics (like where a black hole goes?) is sure, it's zero hahah, since One has been reduced to what it came from.. no thing. It got divided by all the zero points it contained and was no more. Requiem....
EDIT: occured to me that all numbers can be put into equations with some kind of answer but not 1/0?? Repeat from earlier, zero as a 'number' is ludicrous, it was a later invention, a concept, so we see it fails to respond to math in the same way any other number, even negatives, do.

OK SERIOUSLY GUYS STOP TRYING TO MAKE THE UNIVERSE IMPLODE ON ITSELF.

In other non divison by zero news, I ordered enough parts from newegg to make a new computer, plus a barebone case.

All of my parts will be here tomorrow from Newegg in New Jersey that I ordered today, except the barebone case, which is coming from California. :/ I'll get the parts before I get the computer.

[quote="TheCheruben"][quote="A Silly Goose"]1/0 is "undefined".

0/0, on the other hand, is [i]anything and everything at once[/i].[/quote]
That's a good point. Conversely,One not divided by anything/divided by nothing is One because it's not divided. But then there's...
[size=9px]
    1 x ? = 0
    0 x ? = 1
If we play around, we can find that:    1 0 = 0.
This tells us what the first ? could be. So 0/1 = 0.In the end, what makes something 'an answer; is that it checks when you multiply.
We have trouble finding anything which makes:
    0 ? = 1.
Play as you like, 0 N = 0, for all the numbers the kids (and you) can think of.
So we don't have an answer to the question: 1/0 = ?
Well, later on, they will learn about more types of numbers, and more possibilities

[/size]
Perhaps the answer they seek favors that One divided by No thing, or zero point, whatever exists below subatomics (like where a black hole goes?) is sure, it's zero hahah, since One has  been reduced to what it came from.. no thing. It got divided by all the zero points it contained and was no more. Requiem....
EDIT: occured to me that all numbers can be put into equations with some kind of answer but not[i] 1/0??[/i] Repeat from earlier, zero as a 'number' is ludicrous, it was a later invention, a concept, so we see it fails to respond to math in the same way any other number, even negatives, do.

[img]http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7173/ssssoh3.jpg[/img][/quote]

OK SERIOUSLY GUYS STOP TRYING TO MAKE THE UNIVERSE IMPLODE ON ITSELF.

In other non divison by zero news, I ordered enough parts from newegg to make a new computer, plus a barebone case.

All of my parts will be here tomorrow from Newegg in New Jersey that I ordered today, [i]except[/i] the barebone case, which is coming from California. :/ I'll get the parts before I get the computer.

TheCheruben

2007-07-16 10:54:26 pm

that picture kinda sums it up

Quote from Kejardon:

Hey, TheCheruben, what's 1 - 1?

u wouldn't load a question would you...? .. how about Won Minas Tirith

Quote:

It's already extremely obvious where you're coming from. Don't bother. 2)You might try spelling people's usernames correctly, too.

Is it? Earth, Dna. 2) Do you consider that important, is it a personal thing you disdain, anyway i don't get it, it's yours. Feel free to spell your way to heaven.

Kejardon

2007-07-16 11:58:42 pm

Embarrasing Fact: Power suit made by lowest bidder

All questions are loaded. It's just a matter of what it's loaded with.
I'm assuming you agree 1 is a valid number to work with math, and so is subtraction (ahem, subtraction is a valid operation to work with math, I mean), and that my question had a valid answer.
Oh hey, judging by your previous post, you do agree to those things. So uh. How could I have loaded my question with something that's false?

mangadood

2007-07-16 11:59:18 pm

Too many fangirls to count

...And that's when I tampered with the DNA evidence.

A Silly Goose

2007-07-17 12:10:06 am

Look, witty text!

I realized that I have pictures of fractals I generated on my TI-83 Plus uploaded on my Photobucket account, so here they are:

The Sierpinski Triangle . . The Sierpinski Carpet

A pentagonal fractal . . . . A fern leaf

arkarian

2007-07-17 12:32:21 am

red chamber dream

Quote from Lazylen:

my grade 11 precal seems pretty insignificant right now.

That's way more than you'd need to understand different bases. Nothing much besides that has yet been discussed.

Rox

2007-07-17 01:55:50 am

I enjoyed messing with dividing by zero a few weeks ago. The concept means something entirely different if you DON'T do it with maths. It works if you're working with actual, physical objects.

If you've got something, and you divide it by two, you split it in half. And now you've got 1/2 of it. If you take another object and divide it in itself, you have 1/1 of it. In other words, you have the full object. Now, you CAN'T split something in nothing, but if you could, you'd quite obviously end up with nothing. Because if you split it in two, you get two halves, if you split it in one you just get one whole, and if you magically split it in nothing you get nothing.

Well, that, or the universe implodes. In which case you get very nothing.

StarmanHaxor

2007-07-17 02:19:02 am

TheCheruben

2007-07-17 04:51:09 am

Quote from Kejardon:

I'm assuming you agree 1 is a valid number to work with math, and so is subtraction (ahem, subtraction is a valid operation to work with math, I mean), and that my question had a valid answer.
Oh hey, judging by your previous post, you do agree to those things. So uh. How could I have loaded my question with something that's false?

can't tell much on net until sufficient experience with an individual. Okay here we go 1 minus 1. Similar to raising one's self by one's own hair. No :p but 1-1...that's a good one, It's zero. Which brings back the oddity of the fact thatzero times ?? equals one don't apply to them rules, having no decided answer, i suspect due to our noncomprehension of the construct of reality . I also see that anomalous equation as the true nature of the universe finding yet another path into the dry solid structures of arithmatic and having a ---- chuckle divided by zero.

Quote:

and if you magically split it in nothing you get nothing..

Which would be like saying 1/0=0... yet mathematicians cannot agree upon this, nor physicists... many say zero is definitely not the answer, because of the equation is not really saying what most conceive it to be. I can sure see 'nothing' being the answer ANYway, though, from imagiantion of the void or source of all 'stuff'. (i really don't care about math, made by human, for the humans, am just presenting research and making guesses

[quote="Kejardon"]
I'm assuming you agree 1 is a valid number to work with math, and so is subtraction (ahem, subtraction is a valid operation to work with math, I mean), and that my question had a valid answer.
Oh hey, judging by your previous post, you do agree to those things. So uh. How could I have loaded my question with something that's false?[/quote]
can't tell much on net until sufficient experience with an individual. Okay here we go 1 minus 1. Similar to raising one's self by one's own  hair. No :p but 1-1...that's a good one, It's zero. Which brings back the oddity of the fact that[u]zero times ?? equals one[/u] don't apply to them rules, having no decided answer, i suspect due to our noncomprehension of the construct of reality  . I also see that anomalous equation as the true nature of the universe finding yet another path into the dry solid structures of arithmatic and having a ---- chuckle divided by zero.[quote]and if you magically split it in nothing you get nothing..[/quote]
Which would be like saying 1/0=0... yet mathematicians cannot agree upon this, nor physicists... many say zero is definitely not the answer, because of the equation is not really saying what most conceive it to be. I can sure see 'nothing' being the answer ANYway, though, from imagiantion of the void or source of all 'stuff'. (i really don't care about math, made by human, for the humans, am just presenting research and making guesses

JaggerG

2007-07-17 05:30:03 am

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

[02:01:50] <JaggerG> hey, is there some mathematical reason you can't divide by x?
[02:07:27] <God> you can
[02:07:31] <JaggerG> if you have x=0, and you divide each side by x, you get 1=0/x. Since x is equal to 0, though, then that says 1=0/0. So if that is absolutely not true in any case ever, then there has to be a reason you can't divide by x. Because if you can multiply, then I don't see any reason to limit division like that.
[02:07:31] <God> you just get n/x
[02:07:36] <God> oh
[02:07:39] <God> okay
[02:07:57] <God> depends on context actually
[02:08:04] <God> some fields just go with 0/0 = 1
[02:08:53] <God> thign is, if you just multiply both sides by a number, say 3, you get 3(0)/0 = 3(1)
[02:08:58] <God> which would mean 0/0 = 3
[02:09:01] <JaggerG> if 0/0 is 1, it kind of seems okay because x^0=1
[02:09:11] <God> but 0^0 is undefined too
[02:09:36] <JaggerG> everything divided by 0 is undefined, though
[02:09:38] <God> same thing though, some fields, generally the same ones, just say 0^0 = 1 i think
[02:10:02] <JaggerG> so is 0^0 both 0 and 1?
[02:10:11] <God> thats why its undefined
[02:10:27] <God> and i dont think quantum mathematics really exist
[02:10:47] <JaggerG> I guess it makes more sense for it to be 0 than 1, so it continues the trend in the graph
[02:10:56] <God> same thing with x^0
[02:11:02] <God> dunno
[02:11:09] <God> its literally the same thing as 0/0 though
[02:11:18] <God> since x^0 could be considered x/x
[02:11:54] <JaggerG> because positive exponents keep it on the same side of the 1, 0 puts it at 1, and negative exponents flip it across the 1
[02:12:07] <JaggerG> but you can't really do that for 0^x
[02:13:01] <God> yeah, i know

I just realized x^0 is an emoticon. Also, dividing by zero confuses God and is therefor a sin. Stop it, guys.

It should also be noted that no clear conclusion could be reached from that conversation. Reaching a conclusion here means you're assuming something.

[02:01:50] <JaggerG> hey, is there some mathematical reason you can't divide by x?
[02:07:27] <God> you can
[02:07:31] <JaggerG> if you have x=0, and you divide each side by x, you get 1=0/x. Since x is equal to 0, though, then that says 1=0/0. So if that is absolutely not true in any case ever, then there has to be a reason you can't divide by x. Because if you can multiply, then I don't see any reason to limit division like that.
[02:07:31] <God> you just get n/x
[02:07:36] <God> oh
[02:07:39] <God> okay
[02:07:57] <God> depends on context actually
[02:08:04] <God> some fields just go with 0/0 = 1
[02:08:53] <God> thign is, if you just multiply both sides by a number, say 3, you get 3(0)/0 = 3(1)
[02:08:58] <God> which would mean 0/0 = 3
[02:09:01] <JaggerG> if 0/0 is 1, it kind of seems okay because x^0=1
[02:09:11] <God> but 0^0 is undefined too
[02:09:36] <JaggerG> everything divided by 0 is undefined, though
[02:09:38] <God> same thing though, some fields, generally the same ones, just say 0^0 = 1 i think
[02:10:02] <JaggerG> so is 0^0 both 0 and 1?
[02:10:11] <God> thats why its undefined
[02:10:27] <God> and i dont think quantum mathematics really exist
[02:10:47] <JaggerG> I guess it makes more sense for it to be 0 than 1, so it continues the trend in the graph
[02:10:56] <God> same thing with x^0
[02:11:02] <God> dunno
[02:11:09] <God> its literally the same thing as 0/0 though
[02:11:18] <God> since x^0 could be considered x/x
[02:11:54] <JaggerG> because positive exponents keep it on the same side of the 1, 0 puts it at 1, and negative exponents flip it across the 1
[02:12:07] <JaggerG> but you can't really do that for 0^x
[02:13:01] <God> yeah, i know

I just realized x^0 is an emoticon. Also, dividing by zero confuses God and is therefor a sin. Stop it, guys.

It should also be noted that no clear conclusion could be reached from that conversation. Reaching a conclusion here means you're assuming something.

13M13

2007-07-17 07:08:13 am

l'appel du vide

Quote from TheCheruben:

can't tell much on net until sufficient experience with an individual. Okay here we go 1 minus 1. Similar to raising one's self by one's ownir. No :p but 1-1...that's a good one, It's zero. Which brings back the oddity of the fact thatzero times ?? equals onepect due to our noncomprehension of the construct of reality . I also see that anomalous equation as the true nature of the universe finding yet another path into the dry solid structures of arithmatic and having a ---- chuckle divided by zero. Which would be like saying 1/0=0... yet mathematicians cannot agree upon this, nor physicists... many say zero is definitely not the answer, because of the equation is not really saying what most conceive it to be. I can sure see 'nothing' being thrce of all 'stuff'. (i really don't care about math, made by human, for the humans, am just presenting research and making guesses nding yet another path into the dve it to be. I can sure see 'nothing' being th h brings back the oddity of the fact that[u]zero times ?? equals onedon't to them rules, having no decided answer, i suspect due to our noncomprehension of the construct of reality . I also see that anomalous equation as the true nature of the universe finding yet another path into the dry solid structures of arithmatic and having a ---- chuckle divided by zero. Which would be like saying 1/0=0... yet mathematicians cannot agrr, because of the equation is not really saying what most conceive it to be. d making guesses nding yet another path into the drt agree upon this, nor physicists... many say zero is definitely not the answer, because of the equation is not really saying what most conceive it to be I can sure see 'nothing' being th h brings back the oddity of the fa brings back the oddity of the fact thatzero times ?? equals one don't apply to them rules, having no decided answer, i suspect due to our noncomprehension of the construct of reality . I also see that anomalous ? equals onedon't apply to them rules, having no decided answer, i suspect due to our noncomprehensithe construct of reality . I also see that anomalous equation as the true nbe like saying 1/0=0... yet mathematicians cannot agree upon this, nor physicists... many say zero is definitely not the answer, because of the equatio noncomprehension noncomprehension noncomprehension noncomprehension noncomprehension noncomprehension noncomprehension noncomprehension noncomprehension noncomprehension wuht wuht n teh buht

[quote="TheCheruben"]can't tell much on net until sufficient experience with an individual. Okay here we go 1 minus 1. Similar to raising one's self by one's ownir. No :p but 1-1...that's a good one, It's zero. Which brings back the oddity of the fact thatzero times ?? equals onepect due to our noncomprehension of the construct of reality  . I also see that anomalous equation as the true nature of the universe finding yet another path into the dry solid structures of arithmatic and having a ---- chuckle divided by zero. Which would be like saying 1/0=0... yet mathematicians cannot agree upon this, nor physicists... many say zero is definitely not the answer, because of the equation is not really saying what most conceive it to be. I can sure see 'nothing' being thrce of all 'stuff'. (i really don't care about math, made by human, for the humans, am just presenting research and making guesses nding yet another path into the dve it to be. I can sure see 'nothing' being th h brings back the oddity of the fact that[u]zero times ?? equals onedon't  to them rules, having no decided answer, i suspect due to our noncomprehension of the construct of reality  . I also see that anomalous equation as the true nature of the universe finding yet another path into the dry solid structures of arithmatic and having a ---- chuckle divided by zero. Which would be like saying 1/0=0... yet mathematicians cannot agrr, because of the equation is not really saying what most conceive it to be. d making guesses nding yet another path into the drt agree upon this, nor physicists... many say zero is definitely not the answer, because of the equation is not really saying what most conceive it to be I can sure see 'nothing' being th h brings back the oddity of the fa  brings back the oddity of the fact thatzero times ?? equals one don't apply to them rules, having no decided answer, i suspect due to our noncomprehension of the construct of reality  . I also see that anomalous ? equals onedon't apply to them rules, having no decided answer, i suspect due to our noncomprehensithe construct of reality  . I also see that anomalous equation as the true nbe like saying 1/0=0... yet mathematicians cannot agree upon this, nor physicists... many say zero is definitely not the answer, because of the equatio noncomprehension noncomprehension noncomprehension noncomprehension noncomprehension noncomprehension noncomprehension noncomprehension noncomprehension noncomprehension wuht wuht n teh buht[/quote]
[img]http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5816/4u24ltuar5.jpg[/img]

arkarian

2007-07-17 10:45:56 am

red chamber dream

Quote from TheCheruben:

i really don't care about math, made by human, for the humans, am just presenting research and making guesses

Yes, it's obvious you don't care about math, because it's obvious you don't know much about it.

And can you really say it was "made by human" (also, just one human? Did you mean humankind?)? There are tons of examples of higher level math found in nature, so humans certainly didn't "make" it; they've just discovered. Very little in mathematics is purely the invention of humans: for the most basic example, 1 + 1 will always equal 2 no matter what planet you're on or what species you are. If you take one item, then put another next to it, you'd have two items. Humans didn't just "invent" that.

mangadood

2007-07-17 11:19:17 am

Too many fangirls to count

they discovered it and invented a way to talk about it.

Soaprman

2007-07-17 11:35:47 am

shrimp

and white wine

I didived by zero the other day in front of this hot girl and it impressed her so much that she had sex with me.

A Silly Goose

2007-07-17 12:02:20 pm

Look, witty text!

Really? The last time I divided by zero, I woke up between the Kool-Aid guy and Captain Crunch in Vegas.

RT-55J

2007-07-17 12:07:50 pm

Armor Guardian

Why is it that when I divide by zero girls seem unimpressed?

Chanoire

2007-07-17 12:16:33 pm

Quote from TheCheruben:

Do you consider that important, is it a personal thing you disdain, anyway i don't get it, it's yours. Feel free to spell your way to heaven.

What I disdain is a) lazy posting -- such as not bothering to check the spelling of the usernames of those to whom you are referring even though you have correct spellings of those names from quotes in the same post -- and b) condescendingly announcing "truths" while using a frame of reference that is neither evident nor universally accepted and without citing references such as a list of these sun deities which have 12 things around them or scholarly articles on ancient civilizations' approach to numbers. I shouldn't have had to look at the location of the image of the (cough) "star tetrahedron" to find that you were referring to 'sacred geometry' and metaphysics rather than mathematics.

To follow this up with things like " You prolbably have no idea that i was going on at length about the numbers as the ancient egyptians and hebrews understood them" and "But i think it might be profane to show one of my cards now, as i imagine any reading this thread who has studied even a bit of the not-commonly-known teachings i was alluding to would have called me on it or added something" is ludicrous. First you say things that make you sound ignorant of the most basic concepts, then you make yourself sound even stupider by continuing to argue from your own frame of reference without acknowledging that of your respondents -- which tends to suggest you're not actually familiar with that frame, as Ark stated more bluntly -- still without specifying that you're doing this, and then when you're called on this say that you shouldn't say where you're coming from because no one else seems to share your frame of reference. This is, to use more high-falutin' vocabulary, a cop-out. If these truths are so universal as you present them, then should you not be educating the masses?

Quote from TheCheruben:

special or unique or curious or strange or whatever use whatever word, but what other number's EVERY multiple adds to itself again?
factors of 9: 18 36 54 72 90 108
ahem axample:72=7+2=9. You can break EVERY factor of 9 back down to 9 like that. So what other numbers, 1-9, do that?

Even though we've already established that you're coming from a totally different direction, and possibly a different planet, this still boggles me. How can you go on about numbers important to different cultures without having the concept of different number bases? If you DO have the concept, then it should be obvious that 7 has the same property in base 8, and 3 has the same property in base 4, and F (15) has the same property in base 16. Etc. Do you need this explained?

Quote from TheCheruben:

Yeah, 6 colors; but to say they are the only VERY RELEVANT colors is like saying the female or the male has no major place. Or that xy chromosomes are mutations while others are not. So besides the 6 primary colors, if you take each pair (in sequence and side by side) and combine them (which makes new strong colors in their own right such as red-orange).. then you have 6 more. Don't ask me why this has been considered so important for some 4500 years, or even further back.

This makes no sense whatsoever. Female/male is a binary pair, two discrete elements of a set. (Even if you were to talk about people having characteristics of each, they would still be the primaries, so to speak.) Color is a spectrum, a continuum. Twelve is no more inherent than six -- if you're talking about the visible light spectrum, there are certainly six distinct hues, not twelve, and if you're talking about color theory, there are three primaries with infinite colors formed by different combinations of them, not just six OR twelve. And prove that twelve colors has been important for 4500 years. Give me a citation. Because a lot of languages have very limited color vocabulary by our lights. There's at least one language which doesn't distinguish between blue and black, and others which have only about six words for colors total (red, yellow, blue, green, black, white).

Quote from suttsman:

You guys just can't wait for school to start up again, can you? laugh new

You have no idea how envious I am of you people who still get to pursue education.

Quote from 13M13:

.999... = 1

Discuss.

Been there, done that. It didn't end well. (The two followup threads on the topic were removed entirely, not just locked. Who'd have thought it was such a hot topic...)

[quote="TheCheruben"]Do you consider that important, is it a personal thing you disdain, anyway i don't get it, it's yours. Feel free to spell your way to heaven.[/quote]
What I disdain is a) lazy posting -- such as not bothering to check the spelling of the usernames of those to whom you are referring even though you have correct spellings of those names from quotes in [i]the same post[/i] -- and b) condescendingly announcing "truths" while using a frame of reference that is neither evident nor universally accepted and without citing references such as a list of these sun deities which have 12 things around them or scholarly articles on ancient civilizations' approach to numbers.  I shouldn't have had to look at the location of the image of the (cough) "star tetrahedron" to find that you were referring to 'sacred geometry' and metaphysics rather than mathematics.

To follow this up with things like " You prolbably have no idea that i was going on at length about the numbers [i]as the ancient egyptians and hebrews[/i] understood them" and "But i think it might be profane to show one of my cards now, as i imagine any reading this thread who has studied even a bit of the not-commonly-known teachings i was alluding to would have called me on it or added something" is ludicrous.  First you say things that make you sound ignorant of the most basic concepts, then you make yourself sound even stupider by continuing to argue from your own frame of reference without acknowledging that of your respondents -- which tends to suggest you're not actually familiar with that frame, as Ark stated more bluntly -- still without specifying that you're doing this, and then when you're called on this say that you shouldn't say where you're coming from because no one else seems to share your frame of reference.  This is, to use more high-falutin' vocabulary, a cop-out.  If these truths are so universal as you present them, then should you not be educating the masses?

[quote="TheCheruben"]special or unique or curious or strange or whatever use whatever word, but what other number's EVERY multiple adds to itself again?
factors of 9: 18 36 54 72 90 108
ahem axample:72=7+2=9. You can break EVERY factor of 9 back down to 9 like that. So what other numbers, 1-9, do that?[/quote]
Even though we've already established that you're coming from a totally different direction, and possibly a different planet, this still boggles me.  How can you go on about numbers important to different cultures without having the concept of different number bases?  If you DO have the concept, then it should be obvious that 7 has the same property in base 8, and 3 has the same property in base 4, and F (15) has the same property in base 16.  Etc.  Do you need this explained?

[quote="TheCheruben"]Yeah, 6 colors; but to say they are the only VERY RELEVANT colors is like saying the female or the male has no major place. Or that xy chromosomes are mutations while others are not. So besides the 6 primary colors, if you take each pair (in sequence and side by side) and combine them (which makes new strong colors in their own right such as red-orange).. then you have 6 more. Don't ask me why this has been considered so important for some 4500 years, or even further back.[/quote]
This makes no sense whatsoever.  Female/male is a binary pair, two discrete elements of a set.  (Even if you were to talk about people having characteristics of each, they would still be the primaries, so to speak.)  Color is a spectrum, a continuum.  Twelve is no more inherent than six -- if you're talking about the visible light spectrum, there are certainly six distinct hues, not twelve, and if you're talking about color theory, there are three primaries with infinite colors formed by different combinations of them, not just six OR twelve.  And prove that twelve [i]colors[/i] has been important for 4500 years.  Give me a citation.  Because a lot of languages have very limited color vocabulary by our lights.  There's at least one language which doesn't distinguish between blue and black, and others which have only about six words for colors total (red, yellow, blue, green, black, white).

[quote="suttsman"]You guys just can't wait for school to start up again, can you?  :laugh:[/quote]
You have no idea how envious I am of you people who still get to pursue education.

[quote="13M13"].999... = 1

Discuss.[/quote]
[url=http://www.metroid2002.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=807&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1440]Been there, done that.[/url]  It didn't end well.  (The two followup threads on the topic were removed entirely, not just locked.  Who'd have thought it was such a hot topic...)

arkarian

2007-07-17 12:44:28 pm

red chamber dream

It's good to see you back on the forum, Chanoire.

DJGrenola

2007-07-17 01:25:50 pm

for the rest of us are far too jaded to bother arguing with this guy's pseudorandom drivel.

Chanoire

2007-07-17 02:13:04 pm

Well, the main reason I withdrew from most of the 'net for a while was that I've been so stressed and depressed in the past few months that my legendary levels of patience, tolerance, and humor are at all-time lows to the point where I was risking further damage to my health from exposure to stupidity. So I suppose my loss is your gain, or vice versa.

I think I looked at this forum for the first time in six weeks just days after someone was banned in an amusing fashion. My first thought was Aww, I missed the fun, followed by What the hell is wrong with me?

A Silly Goose

2007-07-17 07:28:58 pm

Look, witty text!

If stupidity were phazon, we'd all be freaky mutants.