Retro Modding Wiki

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arkarian: 2015-02-07 02:03:30 pm

2015-02-07 02:02:09 pm

red chamber dream

if there's a good wiki api then you could automate it too

this one lets you embed a whole spreadsheet into the wiki http://www.mediawikiwidgets.org/Google_Spreadsheet ... but not sure how much formatting it allows

Antidote

2015-02-07 02:03:31 pm

mediawiki does have an API built in, however I think it's RO by default.

Antidote

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Antidote: 2015-02-07 02:07:16 pm

2015-02-07 02:06:15 pm

That extension seems to largely depend on the settings of the doc, i.e if the doc allows free editing then you can edit it, however without a good live example you really can't tell.

Also that footer is hideous.

DJGrenola

2015-02-07 02:07:19 pm

at the end of the day you can do it either way, if you want to take the wiki markup and convert it into something else it can certainly be done, it's just slightly more complicated that way round

Antidote

2015-02-07 02:08:04 pm

Yeah, at some point we're going to have to make a compromise between accessibility and ease of editing.

arkarian

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arkarian: 2015-02-07 02:09:30 pm

2015-02-07 02:09:13 pm

red chamber dream

yeah for sure, just some thoughts i had while reading the thread

it just weirds me out as a programmer to have your primary source of data be a database you can't access easily

Aruki

2015-02-07 02:10:22 pm

yeah both of those extensions are kinda ugly heh. If we can agree on the layout then changing it down the road might not end up being that much of an issue after all. Like DJ said it's certainly possible to take the page source and convert it back into a binary format.. it would be a pain but it's doable.

DJGrenola

2015-02-07 02:10:35 pm

I'd just carry on with what you were going to do parax, I mean you've been the one doing all the work lol so you kind of have the right to do it your way

Aruki

2015-02-07 02:13:33 pm

the point of the whole thing is collaboration though, I mostly just don't want to generate pages for everything and then have someone show up and go "oh why don't we do it this way you never thought of instead" and then I have to redo everything

arkarian

2015-02-07 02:13:38 pm

red chamber dream

oh yeah, i don't even really care at all anyway. it's saturday morning and i have nothing else to do :)

Aruki

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Aruki: 2015-02-07 02:16:34 pm

2015-02-07 02:14:26 pm

I do think the way I was going to do it is probably fine though, I just want to make sure we know what the layout should be before we do it.

It sounds like the main issue at this point is whether we split by game or by pak. I'd rather split by pak but I can definitely see the advantages of splitting by game.

edit: and separate name tables - y/n? I'm thinking we would either have a separate table for named resources at the top of the page which would be completely automatically generated, followed by the main ToC (duplicating the named ones in both tables), which would have the description field pre-filled in with the names where applicable; or we would only have the main ToC table with the description field pre-filled in with the name.

DJGrenola

2015-02-07 02:23:19 pm

the separate name table table never needs editing though does it? that's totally fixed, static data. so you'd probably never want to edit it in any meaningful way, so honestly I'd just leave that, it can be added later if it becomes important.

regarding split by PAK / split by game, you'll have less duplicated effort if you split by game because things like the fonts that show up repeatedly you'd have to label multiple times, but the tradeoff is that the table will get a lot bigger. there's also the issue that you have world PAKs and non-world PAKs and to some extent they contain completely different things, but you'd know more about that than I would.

(trying to remember which file actually has two name table entries for the same file ID, because that definitely happens somewhere)

Aruki

2015-02-07 02:25:37 pm

that is true. Bah, this is more complicated than I thought it would be, lol.

Aruki

2015-02-07 02:26:28 pm

Maybe what we should do is have a separate page for each format

"List of CMDL Files (Metroid Prime)"
"List of TXTR Files (Metroid Prime)"
"List of MREA Files (Metroid Prime)"
"List of SCAN Files (Metroid Prime)"

etc

DJGrenola

2015-02-07 02:41:31 pm

i guess I can't see anything immediately wrong with doing it like that

DJGrenola

2015-02-07 02:42:02 pm

although it does then definitely become harder to convert the tables into other formats because you end up with a bunch of pages

DJGrenola

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DJGrenola: 2015-02-07 02:43:10 pm

2015-02-07 02:42:56 pm

but then that's true of doing it by PAK also ... I dunno man

arkarian

2015-02-07 02:43:32 pm

red chamber dream

List of CMDL Files (Metroid Prime.*)

that's not much harder than searching

List of CMDL Files

arkarian

2015-02-07 02:45:29 pm

red chamber dream

i wouldn't worry about number of pages if you try to export, in other words

Aruki

2015-02-07 07:32:09 pm

Honestly what would work out best is if we could have a centralized, editable database of assets, and have something that periodically automatically generates the other pages - for each pak as well as maybe other pages for more global lists. Then you could update it once and it would be updated across every page. Unfortunately I have no clue how to set that up.

DJGrenola

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DJGrenola: 2015-02-07 07:36:57 pm

2015-02-07 07:35:58 pm

all right how about I figure something out for that

no idea what yet lol but I'll think about it

Aruki

2015-02-07 07:38:22 pm

if you wanna go for that, that'd be awesome. If you wanted to you could write a customized extension for it in PHP.

DJGrenola

2015-02-07 07:50:58 pm

I'll look into it ... I may need some help with the games and PAK file formats that I don't actually have though (so everything except mp1 and mp2), somebody may have to generate me some lists of what's in those other PAKs or something like that but I'll figure something out for the gamecube stuff and then we can worry about the rest later.

not sure I want to modify the wiki software because the problem with doing that is that you tend to have to keep patching it when the wiki software is updated but yeah anyway i'll think of something

Aruki

2015-02-07 07:58:23 pm

Yeah I can definitely do that. Just lemme know what you need/what format you need it in.

Aruki

2015-02-08 09:59:09 am

oh god when did this become a static thread