Controller Poll

2004-04-26 10:23:07 pm

Quote from MetalRidley:

My problem with Sony's is that it's not really shaped to the hand. The flat surfaces on it don't work well with my hands, and I don't really like the buttons, either.

And what's the deal with L2 and R2? What's the point?

To add more buttons I guess? Even though they didn't need any more. :o

Kharay1977

2004-04-27 12:30:05 pm

Quote from Syl:

I did break* a total of 4 n64 controllers throughout my n64's lifetime, 2 of them were crappy 3rd party though, so i don't consider them counting.
(I still have 4 that work perfectly)

what the hell were you doing to your poor controller to go through that many with OOT? I think the 2 of mine that died, died mainly because of 1080 and its constant stick rotation to try and pull off a 1080, even smash brothers, and my hundreds of hours on that, Didn't* destroyed a controller.

Likewise, i actually have no issues with the xbox controller other than the buttons, it feels decent, the sticks are excellent.. but the fact that the buttons are curved OUTWARD is what really flickerbat me over, it just hurts after a while.

*repaired typos that are needed for this to make sense

The stick on the original N64 controller (the controller by Nintendo themselves) was such poor quality that indeed I managed to wear out 1.5 controllers just playing OOT. You have to keep in mind that I am quite a fanatic gamer and OOT ranks as one of my most favourite games ever. So I played it a lot. However, I also played FFVII, FFVIII, FFIX and several other games on my PSOne a lot. And I wore down 0 controllers there. I just wore down the PSOne itself. After 2 and a half years of very intense play it failed to read 1 more disc properly. But, the controllers still worked perfectly. That is what is sheer perfection. Who needs a natural/bio-rythmic/intelligent controller. I want a controller that actually works and lasts. I don't need to buy multiple controllers in a consoles lifetime unless it is to play a multiplayer game. Which is why I am so fond of Sony's work on controllers. The PS2 itself is very poor quality compared to its competitors, however, the controllers still kick serious ass.

[quote="Syl"]I did break* a total of 4 n64 controllers throughout my n64's lifetime, 2 of them were crappy 3rd party though, so i don't consider them counting.
(I still have 4 that work perfectly)

what the hell were you doing to your poor controller to go through that many with OOT?  I think the 2 of mine that died, died mainly because of 1080 and its constant stick rotation to try and pull off a 1080, even smash brothers, and my hundreds of hours on that, Didn't* destroyed a controller.

Likewise, i actually have no issues with the xbox controller other than the buttons, it feels decent, the sticks are excellent.. but the fact that the buttons are curved OUTWARD is what really flickerbat me over, it just hurts after a while.

*repaired typos that are needed for this to make sense[/quote]The stick on the original N64 controller (the controller by Nintendo themselves) was such poor quality that indeed I managed to wear out 1.5 controllers just playing OOT. You have to keep in mind that I am quite a fanatic gamer and OOT ranks as one of my most favourite games ever. So I played it a lot. However, I also played FFVII, FFVIII, FFIX and several other games on my PSOne a lot. And I wore down 0 controllers there. I just wore down the PSOne itself. After 2 and a half years of very intense play it failed to read 1 more disc properly. But, the controllers still worked perfectly. That is what is sheer perfection. Who needs a natural/bio-rythmic/intelligent controller. I want a controller that actually works and lasts. I don't need to buy multiple controllers in a consoles lifetime unless it is to play a multiplayer game. Which is why I am so fond of Sony's work on controllers. The PS2 itself is very poor quality compared to its competitors, however, the controllers still kick serious ass.

nate

2004-04-27 12:42:54 pm

Quote from MetalRidley:

My problem with Sony's is that it's not really shaped to the hand. The flat surfaces on it don't work well with my hands, and I don't really like the buttons, either.

And what's the deal with L2 and R2? What's the point?

i would imagine it had something to do with trying to one-up nintendo (original inventor of l and r buttons) in 1994. remember that the psx was originally the cd drive for the super nintendo (nintendo's response to the sega cd) before nintendo left sony out in the cold.

come to think of it, nintendo does love to spawn its own competitors. who will be next? :D

Syl

2004-04-27 04:41:04 pm

Quote from Kharay:

Quote from Syl:

I did break* a total of 4 n64 controllers throughout my n64's lifetime, 2 of them were crappy 3rd party though, so i don't consider them counting.
(I still have 4 that work perfectly)

what the hell were you doing to your poor controller to go through that many with OOT? I think the 2 of mine that died, died mainly because of 1080 and its constant stick rotation to try and pull off a 1080, even smash brothers, and my hundreds of hours on that, Didn't* destroyed a controller.

Likewise, i actually have no issues with the xbox controller other than the buttons, it feels decent, the sticks are excellent.. but the fact that the buttons are curved OUTWARD is what really flickerbat me over, it just hurts after a while.

*repaired typos that are needed for this to make sense

The stick on the original N64 controller (the controller by Nintendo themselves) was such poor quality that indeed I managed to wear out 1.5 controllers just playing OOT. You have to keep in mind that I am quite a fanatic gamer and OOT ranks as one of my most favourite games ever. So I played it a lot. However, I also played FFVII, FFVIII, FFIX and several other games on my PSOne a lot. And I wore down 0 controllers there. I just wore down the PSOne itself. After 2 and a half years of very intense play it failed to read 1 more disc properly. But, the controllers still worked perfectly. That is what is sheer perfection. Who needs a natural/bio-rythmic/intelligent controller. I want a controller that actually works and lasts. I don't need to buy multiple controllers in a consoles lifetime unless it is to play a multiplayer game. Which is why I am so fond of Sony's work on controllers. The PS2 itself is very poor quality compared to its competitors, however, the controllers still kick serious ass.

How often did you use the stick on a PSone? the difference between a D-pad and a stick wearing out is something that even you should have the common sense to understand.

Likewise, I have yet to see any next gen system controller break on anyone. Its not just the PS2 one that are fine, the xbox and GC ones also have a perfect track record. The only issues i have with my GC controller are from my dog thinking the stick was a chew toy >_>.

Likewise, as i said, what the hell did you do to your poor controller to wear one out during OOT?

[quote="Kharay"][quote="Syl"]I did break* a total of 4 n64 controllers throughout my n64's lifetime, 2 of them were crappy 3rd party though, so i don't consider them counting.
(I still have 4 that work perfectly)

what the hell were you doing to your poor controller to go through that many with OOT?  I think the 2 of mine that died, died mainly because of 1080 and its constant stick rotation to try and pull off a 1080, even smash brothers, and my hundreds of hours on that, Didn't* destroyed a controller.

Likewise, i actually have no issues with the xbox controller other than the buttons, it feels decent, the sticks are excellent.. but the fact that the buttons are curved OUTWARD is what really flickerbat me over, it just hurts after a while.

*repaired typos that are needed for this to make sense[/quote]The stick on the original N64 controller (the controller by Nintendo themselves) was such poor quality that indeed I managed to wear out 1.5 controllers just playing OOT. You have to keep in mind that I am quite a fanatic gamer and OOT ranks as one of my most favourite games ever. So I played it a lot. However, I also played FFVII, FFVIII, FFIX and several other games on my PSOne a lot. And I wore down 0 controllers there. I just wore down the PSOne itself. After 2 and a half years of very intense play it failed to read 1 more disc properly. But, the controllers still worked perfectly. That is what is sheer perfection. Who needs a natural/bio-rythmic/intelligent controller. I want a controller that actually works and lasts. I don't need to buy multiple controllers in a consoles lifetime unless it is to play a multiplayer game. Which is why I am so fond of Sony's work on controllers. The PS2 itself is very poor quality compared to its competitors, however, the controllers still kick serious ass.[/quote]

How often did you use the stick on a PSone?  the difference between a D-pad and a stick wearing out is something that even you should have the common sense to understand.

Likewise, I have yet to see any next gen system controller break on anyone.  Its not just the PS2 one that are fine, the xbox and GC ones also have a perfect track record.  The only issues i have with my GC controller are from my dog thinking the stick was a chew toy >_>.

Likewise, as i said, what the hell did you do to your poor controller to wear one out during OOT?

Kharay1977

2004-04-27 04:47:55 pm

Quote from Syl:

How often did you use the stick on a PSone? the difference between a D-pad and a stick wearing out is something that even you should have the common sense to understand.

Likewise, I have yet to see any next gen system controller break on anyone. Its not just the PS2 one that are fine, the xbox and GC ones also have a perfect track record. The only issues i have with my GC controller are from my dog thinking the stick was a chew toy >_>.

Likewise, as i said, what the hell did you do to your poor controller to wear one out during OOT?

As I said, I played FFVII, FFVIII AND FFIX... on top of lots of other games. Now, FFVII did not use the stick controls. However, VIII and IX did... IX in an interest manner even. Anyhow, I logged thousands (1000 on VII alone) of hours playing games, using the stick wherever and whenever applicable. How do you think I wore down the PSX/PSone itself? I just used it so much, it gave up.
Now, in all that time, the controller never gave up... and, if you look at how I used to treat that specific controller at times... throwing it across the room against the wall and so on and so forth, it proves that the PS controller is VERY good to say the least.
Now, about the N64 controller... what did I do to it? I played OOT... that's all. 1 game... 2 times through. 1.5 controllers. As opposed to the PS one surviving me... through thousands of hours of gameplay.
I'm not saying the N64 was a bad console, because it wasn't. OOT is amongst the best games ever. Additionally, it brought us Goldeneye, Extreme G, Mario 64 and several other really classic titles.
I'm just saying the N64 is definately not amongst the best in terms of quality and durability we've seen in the last couple of generations of consoles.

[quote="Syl"]How often did you use the stick on a PSone?  the difference between a D-pad and a stick wearing out is something that even you should have the common sense to understand.

Likewise, I have yet to see any next gen system controller break on anyone.  Its not just the PS2 one that are fine, the xbox and GC ones also have a perfect track record.  The only issues i have with my GC controller are from my dog thinking the stick was a chew toy >_>.

Likewise, as i said, what the hell did you do to your poor controller to wear one out during OOT?[/quote]As I said, I played FFVII, FFVIII AND FFIX... on top of lots of other games. Now, FFVII did not use the stick controls. However, VIII and IX did... IX in an interest manner even. Anyhow, I logged thousands (1000 on VII alone) of hours playing games, using the stick wherever and whenever applicable. How do you think I wore down the PSX/PSone itself? I just used it so much, it gave up.
Now, in all that time, the controller never gave up... and, if you look at how I used to treat that specific controller at times... throwing it across the room against the wall and so on and so forth, it proves that the PS controller is VERY good to say the least.
Now, about the N64 controller... what did I do to it? I played OOT... that's all. 1 game... 2 times through. 1.5 controllers. As opposed to the PS one surviving me... through thousands of hours of gameplay.
I'm not saying the N64 was a bad console, because it wasn't. OOT is amongst the best games ever. Additionally, it brought us Goldeneye, Extreme G, Mario 64 and several other really classic titles.
I'm just saying the N64 is definately not amongst the best in terms of quality and durability we've seen in the last couple of generations of consoles.

Yoshi348

2004-04-27 07:45:50 pm

PAGE BREAKER

Ready and willing.

See, my experience with controllers is either they break quickly, or last forever, and it seems to be just sometimes you get duds from the factory. I sorta had the opposite experience as you, Khar, my N64 controllers all lived forever, but a PS controller I had broke just through play. It was actually the X button that broke, too, and although it wa getting abit of a workout, with my poor button bashing skills, it was well below the level of extrodinary play. I'm thinking that your run of bad N64 controllers was just your poor luck to be the guy at the larger deviations from the norm.

Chet Rippo

2004-04-27 09:21:14 pm

How come no one likes the NES controller? :? Is it really that bad?

MetalRidley

2004-04-27 09:41:56 pm

it was a freaking rectangle. No ergonomics whatsoever.

RoboBlob

2004-04-27 10:15:43 pm

Quote from MetalRidley:

it was a freaking rectangle. No ergonomics whatsoever.

Seriously! The only mistake you could make on this poll is voting on a controller because the system is a "classic". Guess what. The controller SUCKS. Whose hands are shaped with rectangular slots that make that controller comfortable? Don't get me wrong, the system rules, but the controller sucks.

Wassup Dawgs

2004-04-27 10:22:17 pm

Back when NES was the all-new system, I thought the controllers were alright. I'm sure many other people did too. They just happened to improve the design next time around.

Kharay1977

2004-04-28 10:15:33 am

Quote from Yoshi348:

See, my experience with controllers is either they break quickly, or last forever, and it seems to be just sometimes you get duds from the factory. I sorta had the opposite experience as you, Khar, my N64 controllers all lived forever, but a PS controller I had broke just through play. It was actually the X button that broke, too, and although it wa getting abit of a workout, with my poor button bashing skills, it was well below the level of extrodinary play. I'm thinking that your run of bad N64 controllers was just your poor luck to be the guy at the larger deviations from the norm.

It COULD be down to sheer luck... or lack thereof. However, it is highly unlikely. I went through my first N64 controller lightning fast. Took weeks before it actually started to lock up in a specific direction and so on. The 2nd controller I bought suffered from that quite quickly too. However, none of the PSx controllers I have owned ever went that bad. Although I have to admit I wore down my first PS2 controller to the point it started to behave erratic. Anyhow... ergonomically speaking I DID like the N64 controller a lot. It had an insanely nice grip to it.

[quote="Yoshi348"]See, my experience with controllers is either they break quickly, or last forever, and it seems to be just sometimes you get duds from the factory. I sorta had the opposite experience as you, Khar, my N64 controllers all lived forever, but a PS controller I had broke just through play. It was actually the X button that broke, too, and although it wa getting abit of a workout, with my poor button bashing skills, it was well below the level of extrodinary play. I'm thinking that your run of bad N64 controllers was just your poor luck to be the guy at the larger deviations from the norm.[/quote]It COULD be down to sheer luck... or lack thereof. However, it is highly unlikely. I went through my first N64 controller lightning fast. Took weeks before it actually started to lock up in a specific direction and so on. The 2nd controller I bought suffered from that quite quickly too. However, none  of the PSx controllers I have owned ever went that bad. Although I have to admit I wore down my first PS2 controller to the point it started to behave erratic. Anyhow... ergonomically speaking I DID like the N64 controller a lot. It had an insanely nice grip to it.

Chet Rippo

2004-04-28 05:45:48 pm

Quote from Kharay:

Quote from Yoshi348:

See, my experience with controllers is either they break quickly, or last forever, and it seems to be just sometimes you get duds from the factory. I sorta had the opposite experience as you, Khar, my N64 controllers all lived forever, but a PS controller I had broke just through play. It was actually the X button that broke, too, and although it wa getting abit of a workout, with my poor button bashing skills, it was well below the level of extrodinary play. I'm thinking that your run of bad N64 controllers was just your poor luck to be the guy at the larger deviations from the norm.

It COULD be down to sheer luck... or lack thereof. However, it is highly unlikely. I went through my first N64 controller lightning fast. Took weeks before it actually started to lock up in a specific direction and so on. The 2nd controller I bought suffered from that quite quickly too. However, none of the PSx controllers I have owned ever went that bad. Although I have to admit I wore down my first PS2 controller to the point it started to behave erratic. Anyhow... ergonomically speaking I DID like the N64 controller a lot. It had an insanely nice grip to it.

How do you wear down you 64 conttrollers that fast? Did you smash them on the floor or something? My controllers are still good except my green one, and that one only recently started sucking. I also played a lot of Super Smash Bros. which has you smashing the controller. Just how do you do it so fast? :?

[quote="Kharay"][quote="Yoshi348"]See, my experience with controllers is either they break quickly, or last forever, and it seems to be just sometimes you get duds from the factory. I sorta had the opposite experience as you, Khar, my N64 controllers all lived forever, but a PS controller I had broke just through play. It was actually the X button that broke, too, and although it wa getting abit of a workout, with my poor button bashing skills, it was well below the level of extrodinary play. I'm thinking that your run of bad N64 controllers was just your poor luck to be the guy at the larger deviations from the norm.[/quote]It COULD be down to sheer luck... or lack thereof. However, it is highly unlikely. I went through my first N64 controller lightning fast. Took weeks before it actually started to lock up in a specific direction and so on. The 2nd controller I bought suffered from that quite quickly too. However, none  of the PSx controllers I have owned ever went that bad. Although I have to admit I wore down my first PS2 controller to the point it started to behave erratic. Anyhow... ergonomically speaking I DID like the N64 controller a lot. It had an insanely nice grip to it.[/quote]

How do you wear down you 64 conttrollers that fast?  Did you smash them on the floor or something?  My controllers are still good except my green one, and that one only recently started sucking.  I also played a lot of Super Smash Bros.  which has you smashing the controller.  Just how do you do it so fast? :?

MegaMyke

2004-04-28 08:12:47 pm

Alright here's my somewhat educated reason to why N64 controllers break so fast.

The N64 is just a flat stick that curves down into a (somewhat) circular pit, just under where the stick meets the pit is right where the actual controlling goes on.

However! The PS controllers have a flat top, also going into a pit, BUT! the PS has a cover connecting the stick to the controller therefore contracting less dust or slime... You get the picture...

And oh yeah! You can fix your N64 controllers in like 5-10 minutes with just a screwdriver and a Q-Tip

Open it up with the screw driver, and go to the area where the stick is, take the Q-Tip and swab the black stuff out of the area, screw it back on. Voila! Better!

I do this all the time, well actually it happened to me only twice and it was on the original controller. But my controller acts brand new. There ending this thread buh bye.

Did I even help ? =\ prolly not =(

And oh yeah, I may not be a scientist or whatever but I think that maybe playing games where the stick is involved a lot would help the stick. One more thing! It has come to my opinion that the reason why it says in manuals not to press a specific button when you turn it on is because I think tha tit calibrates where the stick is whenever you turn it on. So uhhh... well uhh... there you have it folks!

Alright here's my somewhat educated reason to why N64 controllers break so fast.

The N64 is just a flat stick that curves down into a (somewhat) circular pit, just under where the stick meets the pit is right where the actual controlling goes on.

However!  The PS controllers have a flat top, also going into a pit, BUT!  the PS has a cover connecting the stick to the controller therefore contracting less dust or slime...  You get the picture...

And oh yeah!  You can fix your N64 controllers in like 5-10 minutes  with just a screwdriver and a Q-Tip

Open it up with the screw driver, and go to the area where the stick is, take the Q-Tip and swab the black stuff out of the area,  screw it back on.  Voila!  Better!

I do this all the time,  well actually it happened to me only twice and it was on the original controller.  But my controller acts brand new.  There ending this thread buh bye.

Did I even help ?  =\  prolly not =(

And oh yeah, I may not be a scientist or whatever but I think that maybe playing games where the stick is involved a lot would help the stick.  One more thing!  It has come to my opinion that the reason why it says in manuals not to press a specific button when you turn it on is because I think tha tit calibrates where the stick is whenever you turn it on.  So uhhh... well uhh... there you have it folks!

Chet Rippo

2004-04-28 08:47:08 pm

Quote from MegaMyke:

....One more thing! It has come to my opinion that the reason why it says in manuals not to press a specific button when you turn it on is because I think tha tit calibrates where the stick is whenever you turn it on. So uhhh... well uhh... there you have it folks!

Well, when you turn it on holding a button, or tilting the stick, it get's stuck like that in the game (like if you held left on the control stick, your character will constantly go left). To get rid of this, you either just take out the controller and put it back in, or hold R and L and then press start a number of times. It works!

Wassup Dawgs

2004-04-28 09:05:11 pm

Quote from Chet Rippo:

Quote from MegaMyke:

....One more thing! It has come to my opinion that the reason why it says in manuals not to press a specific button when you turn it on is because I think tha tit calibrates where the stick is whenever you turn it on. So uhhh... well uhh... there you have it folks!

Well, when you turn it on holding a button, or tilting the stick, it get's stuck like that in the game (like if you held left on the control stick, your character will constantly go left). To get rid of this, you either just take out the controller and put it back in, or hold R and L and then press start a number of times. It works!

If you held it left while turning it on, you would be going right. Whatever position the control stick is in will be set as the neutral position.

RoboBlob

2004-04-28 09:52:54 pm

I've never had an N64 Controller break.....ever....

Toozin

2004-04-28 09:59:24 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

My N64 controlers have a HUGE deadzone on their sticks. They're still useable, but damn those things aren't built to last.

Kharay1977

2004-04-29 05:02:08 am

Quote from Chet Rippo:

How do you wear down you 64 conttrollers that fast? Did you smash them on the floor or something? My controllers are still good except my green one, and that one only recently started sucking. I also played a lot of Super Smash Bros. which has you smashing the controller. Just how do you do it so fast? :?

I couldn't say for certain. However, I did nothing out of the ordinary like smashing it against the wall. I only did that to my PSx controller. Which actually survived that ordeal.

All I know is, I just used my N64 a lot (I'm a very fanatic gamer, as I said) and it wasn't just dirt clogging it up. So, cleaning it didn't help much. I tried that. It made it slightly better, for a short while. However, it didn't form a semi-permanent solution.

Moreover, we shouldn't have to be opening up the controller itself to try and make it work again. That is NOT proper hardware design. For some unknown reason Nintendo decided to stick to a reasonably fragile controller. And to me, it just doesn't score high in my list of fave controllers, because of the fact it actually wears down faster than any other controller I had. I've never seen any SNES controller wear down. Never. It may not have been the picture of beauty as the N64 one was, however, the SNES controller actually was a very robust little thing.

Anyhow... nuff about the N64 controllers of Kharay... :P

[quote="Chet Rippo"]How do you wear down you 64 conttrollers that fast?  Did you smash them on the floor or something?  My controllers are still good except my green one, and that one only recently started sucking.  I also played a lot of Super Smash Bros.  which has you smashing the controller.  Just how do you do it so fast? :?[/quote]I couldn't say for certain. However, I did nothing out of the ordinary like smashing it against the wall. I only did that to my PSx controller. Which actually survived that ordeal.

All I know is, I just used my N64 a lot (I'm a very fanatic gamer, as I said) and it wasn't just dirt clogging it up. So, cleaning it didn't help much. I tried that. It made it slightly better, for a short while. However, it didn't form a semi-permanent solution.

Moreover, we shouldn't have to be opening up the controller itself to try and make it work again. That is NOT proper hardware design. For some unknown reason Nintendo decided to stick to a reasonably fragile controller. And to me, it just doesn't score high in my list of fave controllers, because of the fact it actually wears down faster than any other controller I had. I've never seen any SNES controller wear down. Never. It may not have been the picture of beauty as the N64 one was, however, the SNES controller actually was a very robust little thing.

Anyhow... nuff about the N64 controllers of Kharay... :P

GreenMamba

2004-04-29 08:17:19 pm

What luck, there's french fry stuck in my beard.

I've had the start, select, L, and R buttons all stop working on two SNES controllers. That sucked.

Chet Rippo

2004-04-29 08:33:14 pm

You know those Mouse things for Mario Paint. That thing quit working. Which sucks because now I can't play Mario Paint. Crying or Very sad

Electrometer Prime

2004-04-29 09:30:41 pm

Quote from Chet Rippo:

You know those Mouse things for Mario Paint. That thing quit working. Which sucks because now I can't play Mario Paint. Crying or Very sad

It happens after a while. It happened to me too. Crying or Very sad

Wassup Dawgs

2004-04-29 10:15:01 pm

Quote from Toozin:

My N64 controlers have a HUGE deadzone on their sticks. They're still useable, but damn those things aren't built to last.

Some of mine are like that too. Mostly because of Mario Party 1. Those mini games where you have to rotate the control stick several hundred times really wear them out.

Chet Rippo

2004-05-01 12:06:44 am

Quote from Wassup Dawgs:

Quote from Toozin:

My N64 controlers have a HUGE deadzone on their sticks. They're still useable, but damn those things aren't built to last.

Some of mine are like that too. Mostly because of Mario Party 1. Those mini games where you have to rotate the control stick several hundred times really wear them out.

Those mini-games gave me a big blister on my palm. Curse you damn tug-o-war. Evil or Very Mad

chinchillax13514

2004-05-01 12:20:42 am

I've never had a controller break on me. My GC controller has a bunch of Dorito cheese on the right side from a party, but besides that all controllers are fine. I voted N64 cause I barely play SNES.

=Prime Killer=

2004-05-01 06:35:17 am

The GC controls are the best so far-you don't have to squeeze your hands to press a button. X-Box is too thick,too many buttons smashed together and they go together like string beans and vannila ice cream. Just won't work,but if you have big hands,they are the best. I have medium-small hands. So GC and N64 work for me. I don't have the button-smashing games,but Hydro Thunder did the trick. Rolling Eyes