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Rynex
2005-03-28 10:40:21 am
I have made a form of jumping wit the bomb called ZZBJ. You need to be facing a wall, ok. Now, HBJ to it. When you hit the wall, HBJ the other way. Very useful in MZM. sound cool? please tell me!!!
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radu242
2005-03-28 10:44:43 am
What would be the point of it? You would go back RIGHT where you started right?
Rynex
2005-03-28 10:45:43 am
no, you go up. Its real neat. you should try it! :D
radu242
2005-03-28 10:49:27 am
I can't. I suck at HBJ BADLY...
EDIT: an [IBJ] is way easier and it's EXACTALLY the same so this might be a cool "show your frieds" trick. Still nice discovery though! :)
Rynex
2005-03-28 10:50:16 am
practice at it. i find it quite easy, but thats me.
JaggerG
2005-03-28 02:14:02 pm
Shifty Leader
That M2k2 guy
YOU practice it. Any time you bomb jump, I find that you can place a bomb at any point as you're falling and you'll bounce off of it. You don't necessarily need to do the standard IBJ thing, although that is the fastest way, I believe. You don't even need to HBJ to zig zag bomb jump. Last night I was messing around in Kraid with the morph ball run, and I was able to get from the rio room entrance area of the main shaft all the way to the elevator without touching down on ground! It was so sweet.
Jigglysaint
2005-03-28 06:42:55 pm
Bomb jumps are way too easy.  I got the Varia right after the bombs.  Right now I'm trying to kill Kraid on Hard mode with 2 missiles, no power grip, no energy tanks and charge beam.

All I've got so far is:  1 missile tank, bombs, charge beam, Varia, Space Jump.

Am I doing good so far?  Keep in mind it's on an emulator, so I lose points, but meh.

Anyway, I seem to be good at IBJ and DBJ, and yes I know about the zig zag jump.
transience
2005-03-28 07:17:38 pm
twenty eight fifty
I do your "ZZBJ" quite often, especially in a morph ball only run. there's some spots in chozodia that pretty much require it.
graveworm
2005-03-28 07:31:49 pm
Quote from Jigglysaint:
Bomb jumps are way too easy.  I got the Varia right after the bombs.  Right now I'm trying to kill Kraid on Hard mode with 2 missiles, no power grip, no energy tanks and charge beam.

All I've got so far is:  1 missile tank, bombs, charge beam, Varia, Space Jump.

Am I doing good so far?  Keep in mind it's on an emulator, so I lose points, but meh.

Anyway, I seem to be good at IBJ and DBJ, and yes I know about the zig zag jump.


I'd say start over again, for a low % run, better go with 4 missiles without charge.
Jigglysaint
2005-03-28 08:41:07 pm
Quote from graveworm:
Quote from Jigglysaint:
Bomb jumps are way too easy.  I got the Varia right after the bombs.  Right now I'm trying to kill Kraid on Hard mode with 2 missiles, no power grip, no energy tanks and charge beam.

All I've got so far is:  1 missile tank, bombs, charge beam, Varia, Space Jump.

Am I doing good so far?  Keep in mind it's on an emulator, so I lose points, but meh.

Anyway, I seem to be good at IBJ and DBJ, and yes I know about the zig zag jump.


I'd say start over again, for a low % run, better go with 4 missiles without charge.


Well my low percent game is toast, but I still want to keep going since I've never beaten the game on hard before.

What are the required items to get?  I know the 3 unknown items are unavoidable, as is the power grip, morph, bombs, one missiles, ect.  I think Speed Boost is avoidable, but I got it anyway.  It would be super cool if Plasma was avoidable.
Chanoire
2005-03-28 08:48:43 pm
Plasma beam is one of the unknown items, isn't it? 

I think for NTSC hard it was:

unknown #1 (grav suit or space jump or plasma beam)
unknown #2 (ditto)
unknown #3 (ditto)
morph ball
bombs
varia*
ice beam
power grip
1 normal missile expansion
1 missile OR one super missile OR screw attack**

* You can skip the varia, but the game gives it to you automatically when you get the fully powered suit and adds a percent to your total, so it's up to you whether you want speed or defense.

** The PAL version doesn't require this percent since some missile blocks in Chozodia stay gone, but good luck getting through the game with only two missiles anyway.
radu242
2005-03-28 10:17:18 pm
LOL, zazabi bomb jump Mr. Green! (Zig=za zag=z bomb=ba jump=looks like i)Anyway, Saint[something] I would reccomend Screw Attack STRONGLY. It makes the game way easier because 1)Ridley has strong enemies that require A LOT of firepower or just a simple Screw Attack, 2)ACID CEERIOS OF DOOM!(™) are easier and 3)Mecha-Ridley's missles.
tomatobob
2005-03-28 10:23:49 pm
One shall stand, one shall ball.
Well, if you're fast,  Macha Ridley's missiles probably wont come into play.....
JaggerG
2005-03-28 10:35:22 pm
Shifty Leader
That M2k2 guy
man, I could swear I've seen that screen in your avy, tombob.

SA is good unless you're going for a relatively low%, in which case I'd recommend the extra missile.
tomatobob
2005-03-28 10:50:30 pm
One shall stand, one shall ball.
What screen is that...? There are several.
JaggerG
2005-03-28 11:11:38 pm
Shifty Leader
That M2k2 guy
I just noticed. I meant the one about fire.

btw, it appears to have stopped at calvin and hobbes watching tv.
tomatobob
2005-03-28 11:23:07 pm
One shall stand, one shall ball.
Eh, it'll do that once in a while, and i got the Fire avy from a sig somewhere, it's from LOZ II
JaggerG
2005-03-28 11:40:14 pm
Shifty Leader
That M2k2 guy
oh, okay, because it was stuck on them shot with darts now. I think I remember it from a sig pic, now that you mention it. meh
Rynex
2005-03-29 10:35:36 am
this is quickly becoming a spam topic... :(
arkarian
2005-03-29 09:20:02 pm
red chamber dream
And posting that just made it even more of a spam topic. Please don't do that.
JaggerG
2005-03-30 07:08:57 pm
Shifty Leader
That M2k2 guy
It's okay. I forgive you.

Anyways, yeah...it'd be cool to see someone zig-zag bomb jump all the way up the escape shaft without touching the blocks!
ajbolt89
2005-03-30 07:36:15 pm
lol no way
So goes the plan of the escape from Tourian... I mean, I wasn't even looking that far ahead, but I suppose that WOULD be sweet... haha. Good think Normal has a lot of time.
tomatobob
2005-03-30 08:19:17 pm
One shall stand, one shall ball.
Good think? :P 
Heh, anyway, I'm not entirley sure it's possiblr to use this up the Tourian escape shaft, you can't move too well while bomb jumping.
JaggerG
2005-03-30 08:44:56 pm
Shifty Leader
That M2k2 guy
>_> there's plenty of space between each block. I've zzbj'd up through the rising totem pole of platforms after getting the power grip, it's simple enough.