Would you like a Metroid game where you are the bad guy?

arkarian

2005-02-03 09:06:40 pm

red chamber dream

Not at all. But I'm not sure if you can take my word, though...I've only done both a few times.

Zeke

2005-02-04 01:08:20 am

Time bomb set get out fast!

Genocide is a little strong. First of all, Metroids don't seem to have any great intelligence -- killing one is more like killing, say, a pit bull than killing a human. Second, they do want to suck your life energy and all. They're biological weapons, and when they're not attacking you on their own initiative, they're being sent to attack you by Space Pirates. Killing any living creature is regrettable, but sometimes there's just no safe alternative.

Don't get me wrong, Samus's violence does bother me sometimes. I was especially uncomfortable when I realized how much I was enjoying setting animals and Pirates on fire with the Plasma Beam in Prime. The death scream of a baby sheegoth is really upsetting to hear. But two things mitigate that. One, Samus kills in self-defense -- everything she encounters tries to kill her. Two, she's a bounty hunter. She's not supposed to be a kind, merciful armoured warrior. The whole reason her decision to spare the Metroid larva was special was that it was out of character.

Genocide is a little strong.  First of all, Metroids don't seem to have any great intelligence -- killing one is more like killing, say, a pit bull than killing a human.  Second, they do want to [i]suck your life energy[/i] and all.  They're biological weapons, and when they're not attacking you on their own initiative, they're being sent to attack you by Space Pirates.  Killing any living creature is regrettable, but sometimes there's just no safe alternative.

Don't get me wrong, Samus's violence does bother me sometimes.  I was especially uncomfortable when I realized how much I was enjoying setting animals and Pirates on fire with the Plasma Beam in Prime.  The death scream of a baby sheegoth is really upsetting to hear.  But two things mitigate that.  One, Samus kills in self-defense -- everything she encounters tries to kill her.  Two, she's a bounty hunter.  She's not [i]supposed[/i] to be a kind, merciful armoured warrior.  The whole reason her decision to spare the Metroid larva was special was that it was out of character.

Toozin

2005-02-04 01:50:15 am

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

First of all, it's not like Samus goes intentionally setting off destruct sequences. That's the PIRATE'S fault. Samus is sort of the catalyst by exploding Mother Brain and whatever, but it's not really her fault. She's going and doing what she's gotta do, and she inadvertently sets off some things that she can't do anything to stop. Granted, the BSL thing was all her doing, but she had to eradicate TWO massively destructive forces, and that was pretty much the quickest and most efficient way to do that. Samus just gets a bad rap.

Second, it's xenocide.

SABERinBLUE

2005-02-04 02:23:34 am

Cook of the Sea

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Second, it's xenocide.

Hell yes.

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Are Metroids ramen? Hm...

Red Scarlet

2005-02-04 02:24:44 am

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

The way the storyline in the series seems to be going, it's already happened in Metroid 2.

Samus was teh duped.

MagicalCucumber

2005-02-04 08:50:28 am

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Metroidagochi aside, does no one realize that Samus is the bad guy? ... girl? whatever?

If you take a look through the space pirate's eyes she'd be evil...
Because she blows up their bases and stops all their plans and stuff... But the space pirate were the evil people in the first place...

Nida

2005-02-05 01:04:16 am

Sorry, I don't think any of the wanton destruction involving SR-388, be it in RoS or Fusion, can be wholly justified. Especially not in Fusion, after she already understands the purpose of the cute li'l jellybeans. It's sort of like saying that since people used horses as war mounts in the pre-industrial modern age, it would have been perfectly justifiable for one segment of the population to totally annihilate all horses worldwide, and maybe even sink a continent or two in the process, consequences be damned.

Well, if horses were also carniverous and mutated / split when exposed to radiation, anyway. You get the idea.

Yoshi348

2005-02-05 01:14:03 am

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Ready and willing.

Erm... by Fusion, SR-388 was Metroid free. The Metroid lab had already been jettisoned, and the only other Metroid around was the random Omega that was trying to kill Samus.

Toozin

2005-02-05 01:16:34 am

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

There's a HUGE difference between horses and metroids. Yes, horses are used as a weapon, but they're only as deadly as their user. Once left alone, a horse will, at worst, kick you. Not exactly deadly species-threatening stuff there. However, a metroid, when left alone, will still HUNT YOU DOWN AND SUCK OUT YOUR VERY LIFE ESSENCE. They are bred to kill, and don't stop killing. A gun will stop shooting once you stop pulling the trigger and put it down, but what if the gun never stopped no matter what you did? You set it down on the table but it still blasts away at anything that moves. You only have one option there, and that's to destroy the gun.

If you've read the Ender series by Orson Scott Card, it's a very safe bet that Metroids are varelse, unless you think you can decipher what "squeee" means.

Nida

2005-02-05 01:24:38 am

Quote from Yoshi348:

Erm... by Fusion, SR-388 was Metroid free. The Metroid lab had already been jettisoned, and the only other Metroid around was the random Omega that was trying to kill Samus.

So, since Samus is now an expert on the X - after all, those trustworthy Feds told her all she needs to know - she can dispatch them, too, with a clean conscience. Right. :)

Quote from Toozin:

If you've read the Ender series by Orson Scott Card, it's a very safe bet that Metroids are varelse, unless you think you can decipher what "squeee" means.

Doesn't matter if they're varelse, or how violent they are, or anything of the sort. They were properly contained on SR-388, existing in a balanced ecosystem, until they were removed by the Pirates. As I recall, metroids don't follow you out into space, rip their way through your ship's hull, and murder you in your sleep.

Let's change the analogy from horses to uranium, as that better addresses your points. Uranium, as a general rule, is pretty safely tucked away from the rest of the natural order. When someone grabs a pile of the stuff and uses it to make a dirty suitcase nuke to irradiate downtown Baltimore, what's the proper response: apprehend the crazy dude, or carelessly mine all the uranium on the planet and blast it into deep space, in the process causing the extinction of thousands of species due to accidental irradiation, habitat destruction, etc.?

[quote="Yoshi348"]Erm... by Fusion, SR-388 was Metroid free. The Metroid lab had already been jettisoned, and the only other Metroid around was the random Omega that was trying to kill Samus.[/quote]

So, since Samus is now an expert on the X - after all, those trustworthy Feds told her all she needs to know - she can dispatch them, too, with a clean conscience. Right. :)

[quote="Toozin"]If you've read the Ender series by Orson Scott Card, it's a very safe bet that Metroids are varelse, unless you think you can decipher what "squeee" means.[/quote]

Doesn't matter if they're varelse, or how violent they are, or anything of the sort. They were properly contained on SR-388, existing in a [i]balanced ecosystem[/i], until they were removed by the Pirates. As I recall, metroids don't follow you out into space, rip their way through your ship's hull, and murder you in your sleep.

Let's change the analogy from horses to uranium, as that better addresses your points. Uranium, as a general rule, is pretty safely tucked away from the rest of the natural order. When someone grabs a pile of the stuff and uses it to make a dirty suitcase nuke to irradiate downtown Baltimore, what's the proper response: apprehend the crazy dude, or carelessly mine all the uranium on the planet and blast it into deep space, in the process causing the extinction of thousands of species due to accidental irradiation, habitat destruction, etc.?

Toozin

2005-02-05 01:26:28 am

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Now you've got a point.

Yoshi348

2005-02-05 01:27:11 am

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Ready and willing.

Quote from Nida:

Quote from Yoshi348:

Erm... by Fusion, SR-388 was Metroid free. The Metroid lab had already been jettisoned, and the only other Metroid around was the random Omega that was trying to kill Samus.

So, since Samus is now an expert on the X - after all, those trustworthy Feds told her all she needs to know - she can dispatch them, too, with a clean conscience. Right. :)

Hey, we never even mentioned X. Stop deflecting the points.

EDIT: Wait, nevemind... Got a little lost here.

mangadood

2005-02-05 04:15:35 am

Too many fangirls to count

Samus is good. no matter what. Samus will never go corrupt. She's some sort of friggin chosen one. They never go bad.

Red Scarlet

2005-02-05 05:45:38 am

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

Quote from mangadood:

Samus is good. no matter what. Samus will never go corrupt. She's some sort of friggin chosen one. They never go bad.

As much as I don't really watch these, but bzzzzzzzzzt

mangadood

2005-02-05 06:19:46 am

Too many fangirls to count

He was good in the end. Dammit.

arkarian

2005-02-05 10:25:08 am

red chamber dream

Well, maybe...kinda...

MagicalCucumber

2005-02-05 11:05:39 am

Having Samus go evil would be as weird as having space pirates that didn't look like bugs.

Skreemaster

2005-02-05 11:45:01 am

I'll be back. Maybe...

... surely not as weird as Mario turning to the Dark Side..?

arkarian

2005-02-05 11:49:40 am

red chamber dream

Ha, you've got a point. Mario turning bad would be the epitome of the world's end. Samus or Link turning bad wouldn't be as strange.

mangadood

2005-02-05 11:59:26 am

Too many fangirls to count

They'd team together and destroy speedrunners for putting so much strain on them.

Skreemaster

2005-02-05 12:04:19 pm

I'll be back. Maybe...

No, the n00bs would be the first to go (for dying so often), then the damage boosting speedrunners and the wallcrawlers. Then the low %ers and the normal speedrunners.

MagicalCucumber

2005-02-05 12:45:33 pm

Link doing evil makes sense, because you fight Dark Link and other various reasons, but Mario!? If that happened, a galaxy far away would implode.

Red Scarlet

2005-02-05 12:54:58 pm

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

True, but you said never go bad, in which he did go bad, only to become good again much, much later.

RT-55J

2005-02-05 12:58:49 pm

Armor Guardian

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No, the n00bs would be the first to go (for dying so often), then the damage boosting speedrunners and the wallcrawlers. Then the low %ers and the normal speedrunners.

Good thing I'm not in any of those categories.

Skreemaster

2005-02-05 01:25:10 pm

I'll be back. Maybe...

Behold my power:

DARK MARIO... well, sort of.

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