Will They Fix The Continuity Error Caused by Metroid Prime?

2004-09-05 02:32:13 pm

Since Metroid Prime took place between Metroid and Metroid II, it caused a bit of a continuity error in the timeline, mainly at the beginning of Super Metroid. Samus gives a synopsis of her adventures with Metroids so far, listing only the events on Zebes and SR-388. After talking about how she defeated Mother Brain on Zebes, she specifically states, "I next fought the Metroids on their homeworld, SR-388." Next is the keyword here. It's obvious that Nintendo wouldn't know to put Tallon IV and Aether here, since the games hadn't been made yet, but what accounts for Samus's long-term memory loss?

Anyway, my question is will Nintendo/Retro fix this continuity error? Is her memory erased to protect her from something? Will Super Metroid be re-released for GBA or DS with this revision made to include Tallon IV and Aether? (I'd hope so! :D )

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GreenMamba

2004-09-05 02:34:03 pm

What luck, there's french fry stuck in my beard.

I'd hope they won't erase her memory. That'd be just stupid. If they did remake/port SM to the GBA/DS, I'd think they'd fix it there.

Syl

2004-09-05 03:15:11 pm

Quote from GreenMamba:

I'd hope they won't erase her memory. That'd be just stupid. If they did remake/port SM to the GBA/DS, I'd think they'd fix it there.

^what he said.

Nintendo is currently re-writing the finer details of the metroid timeline, Zero Mission added an entire nother depth to the first mission, i suppose the (hopefully) Remakes of metroid 2 and metroid 3 are going to further complicate and streamline the storyline as it is.

GreenMamba

2004-09-05 04:01:31 pm

What luck, there's french fry stuck in my beard.

Quote from Syl:

...complicate and streamline the storyline....

Buh? You can't do both at the same time...?

=Prime Killer=

2004-09-05 08:29:23 pm

I think he means make more problems and solve some at the same time. :D

compiler

2004-09-06 01:24:01 am

Don't deny Nintendo's word. It is Law. If Nintendo says that Prime comes between 1 and 2, that is how it shall be! Keep quiet about this or Mr. Miyamoto will come with the Master Sword and strike us all down.

Sorry, I just had to be funny, didn't I?

Mafus

2004-09-06 02:39:47 am

To be honest, I found the picture funnier than you.

Sam-Mag

2004-09-06 03:09:26 am

I really hope to God that Nintendo DO make remakes of Metroid 2 & 3 for GBA!!! :D

Mafus

2004-09-06 04:30:26 am

I think remakes are the only way to salvage the plothole-ridden story that is the Metroid series, unless of course there was some finely tuned BS... or more inbetween games such as prime which explain each plothole somehow Rolling Eyes

I'd prefer the remakes personally! :D

arkarian

2004-09-06 09:52:30 am

red chamber dream

Remakes would be awesome. Maybe for the Nintendo DS? But I really don't have a problem with the continuity errors. A lot of games from Nintendo have these, and it's never bothered me. As long as the storylines within each game make sense, then I don't care too much if all of the games in a series follow each other perfectly.

Sam-Mag

2004-09-07 03:50:02 am

Either way!!! :P :P

Let there be M2 - RoS for GBA!!! :P :P

Mafus

2004-09-07 07:10:53 am

It would be nice to see detailed sprites of all the metroid evolutions.

nate

2004-09-07 02:23:12 pm

Quote from Mafus:

It would be nice to see detailed sprites of all the metroid evolutions.

it would be even nicer to see retro's modelers get ahold of them. i'd take an omega metroid over omega pirate any day.

GreenMamba

2004-09-07 04:24:36 pm

What luck, there's french fry stuck in my beard.

As long as they get rid of that horrid screech from Fusion, sure.

arkarian

2004-09-07 05:46:41 pm

red chamber dream

I'm with you on that. Although the screech sometime helps to warn you..but by then it's usually too late.

Tim

2004-09-13 03:05:52 pm

My whole take on the continuity thing, as illustrated from the stuff I chattered about on MHQ:

Discrepancy/Plot Hole: The Super Metroid manual says that after the encounter on Zebes, Samus went to SR388 to exterminate the Metroids. Yet Metroid Prime is said to take place between the first two titles.

Explanation: The discrepancy is easily explained because at the time the Super Metroid manual was written, Prime hadn't been conceived as a game yet, so it's a simple error now that just isn't worth the time to go and correct.
An instance exactly like this occurs with Mega Man X3, released for the Super Nintendo in 1995. In that game, the villain states that he can't believe X defeated his master "twice in the past". Six years later, Capcom releases another X game which takes place in between Mega Man X2 and X3, rendering Doppler's statement inaccurate.
It's simply a matter then of when the games were released. At the time Super Metroid was released, Nintendo hadn't laid the groundwork for Metroid Prime.

The next one is one that deals with continuity within the game itself, so here's a simple link summing up my view (second one down)
http://metroid.retrofaction.com/database/analyses/discrepancies.php

And here's other stuff that might or might not relate to canon and continuity in the series. Just be aware the page isn't completed, so a few links (I know the MP2 one) won't work.*
http://metroid.retrofaction.com/database/analyses/storyfaqs.php

Then again, at the risk of sounding slightly hypocritical, continuity isn't as big of a deal as it used to be. Just look at Capcom's Mega Man games >_>
(Burn!!!)

-Tim

* MP2 page link is actually http://metroid.retrofaction.com/games/mp2/

My whole take on the continuity thing, as illustrated from the stuff I chattered about on MHQ:

[b]Discrepancy/Plot Hole:[/b] The Super Metroid manual says that after the encounter on Zebes, Samus went to SR388 to exterminate the Metroids. Yet Metroid Prime is said to take place between the first two titles.

[b]Explanation:[/b] The discrepancy is easily explained because at the time the Super Metroid manual was written, Prime hadn't been conceived as a game yet, so it's a simple error now that just isn't worth the time to go and correct.
An instance exactly like this occurs with Mega Man X3, released for the Super Nintendo in 1995. In that game, the villain states that he can't believe X defeated his master "twice in the past". Six years later, Capcom releases another X game which takes place in between Mega Man X2 and X3, rendering Doppler's statement inaccurate.
It's simply a matter then of when the games were released. At the time Super Metroid was released, Nintendo hadn't laid the groundwork for Metroid Prime.

The next one is one that deals with continuity within the game itself, so here's a simple link summing up my view (second one down)
http://metroid.retrofaction.com/database/analyses/discrepancies.php

And here's other stuff that might or might not relate to canon and continuity in the series. Just be aware the page isn't completed, so a few links (I know the MP2 one) won't work.*
http://metroid.retrofaction.com/database/analyses/storyfaqs.php

Then again, at the risk of sounding slightly hypocritical, continuity isn't as big of a deal as it used to be. Just look at Capcom's Mega Man games >_>
(Burn!!!)

-Tim

* MP2 page link is actually http://metroid.retrofaction.com/games/mp2/

Kharay1977

2004-09-13 07:15:45 pm

Quote from Tim:

My whole take on the continuity thing, as illustrated from the stuff I chattered about on MHQ:

Discrepancy/Plot Hole: The Super Metroid manual says that after the encounter on Zebes, Samus went to SR388 to exterminate the Metroids. Yet Metroid Prime is said to take place between the first two titles.

Explanation: The discrepancy is easily explained because at the time the Super Metroid manual was written, Prime hadn't been conceived as a game yet, so it's a simple error now that just isn't worth the time to go and correct.
It's simply a matter then of when the games were released. At the time Super Metroid was released, Nintendo hadn't laid the groundwork for Metroid Prime.

This says how the plothole came to be. However, it does not FILL the hole. It just explains how it came to be. Which is apparent to begin with. The discrepancy is still there.

GreenMamba

2004-09-13 07:29:16 pm

What luck, there's french fry stuck in my beard.

The discrepency exists, sure, but it's nothing to look into because of the explanation.

Dark_T_Zeratul

2004-09-16 05:50:15 am

I don't really see a problem. After beating the Pirates on Zebes, Samus did indeed go to SR-388 to exterminate the Metroids. She just failed to mention the things she did in the meantime, like her trips to Tallon IV and Aether.

GreenMamba

2004-09-16 07:46:16 am

What luck, there's french fry stuck in my beard.

The discrepency is that she says she next fought the Metroids on SR388, even though you fight them in both Primes....

Rox

2004-09-16 01:07:48 pm

To quote Mr. David Letterman;
Well, who cares?

Seriously. Even though this makes Super Metroid's intro leave out two major games, it's still not a big plothole. A plothole would be if they released a game that took place before Zero Mission, that still had metroids in it, or... If they release a new post-Fusion game that takes place on SR-388 or Zebes. Those would be real-deal plotholes. This here's just a simple mistake in a game that isn't even up to date.

Just like Zero Mission retold the story of the first game, the Prime games are retelling what happened between M1/ZM and RoS. And I don't see you complaining about Zero Mission.

Red Scarlet

2004-09-16 01:36:03 pm

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

That's why I don't pay attention to the story in games; crap like this doesn't exist in my head. :o

Lucid Faia

2004-09-16 01:45:21 pm

It is probably just an alternative version to the same story, such as the Zelda franchise.

GreenMamba

2004-09-16 03:30:46 pm

What luck, there's french fry stuck in my beard.

I really hope there isn't some stupid alternate universe thing. The Metroid series is supposed to be pretty straightforward, storyline wise.

But seriously, the discrepency isn't anything to note about.

Lucid Faia

2004-09-16 03:32:50 pm

Yeah, but I don't really care either way. As long as Reggie-lution Samus is kicking ass and taking names in MP2, I'm happy.