WII U is the ultimate game-console

2011-09-19 05:49:56 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

Yeah bro, those Call of Duty games that came out on Wii totally had all those dumb monkey shooter fans (Not to be confused with video game fans Wink

) sold on the Wii, obviously just one for Wii U will do the same! Call of Duty fans? More like Sheeple. aiwebs_008

Quote from Turtle:

The Prime games are totally different than the stereotypical FPS, but that's mostly because it has fun physics (as opposed to realistic physics) and colors that are not brown.

Prime 1 was not significantly different than what we'd seen from FPSes at the time of its release. Halo was changing things for the console FPS but that was not an instantaneous process.

Turtle

2011-09-19 06:08:44 pm

I like turtles.

Eh, my perception is probably different because I played them all years after they were released.

J_SNAKE

2011-09-20 07:32:30 am

Poision Envy

2011-09-20 08:08:01 am

Club 27 Goals

Without watching the video this time, that thumbnail is totally true. I'm sure in the video he twists it somehow, but stating that "The casual audience doesn't know about the gaming industry or the gaming community" is fine.

TheGreenManalishi

2011-09-20 02:02:55 pm

Quote from tomatobob:

No no you see Metroid Prime is a first person adventure! It just happens that your adventure is primarily driven by shooting, but they are totally different!

Prime is a platformer. Like Mirror's Edge. This is the true way.

J_SNAKE

2011-09-20 05:24:57 pm

Can we just agree Prime is a half-assed shooter, a half-assed platformer, and a half-assed pinball-game? I pretty much summed it up for all of you:P

Prime Hunter

2011-09-20 09:15:20 pm

And yet it still manages to be one of the best games of all time in my opinion, as well as the opinions of a lot of people here from what I've gathered over the years.

Behemoth

2011-09-20 09:31:48 pm

Quote from J_SNAKE:

Can we just agree Prime is a half-assed shooter, a half-assed platformer, and a half-assed pinball-game? I pretty much summed it up for all of you:P

If your not joking, then on the grand scheme of things you might be right. But Prime just captures the imagination of the fans, hence why so many people like it. When a game has a great feeling that you've associated with for a long time, it's hard to shrug it off and look at it for what it is. But personally I think it's still really solid

Poision Envy

2011-09-21 02:13:49 am

Club 27 Goals

Jsnake isn't one of the games you talk about the most at its core is just a shooter? Far Cry is really as much of a normal shooter game as you can get, and that guy would certainly bash on it as well.

J_SNAKE

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J_SNAKE: 2011-09-21 07:38:14 am

2011-09-21 07:37:12 am

I don't mind if the core is shooting or platforming. It is about the quality it manages to pull off the core. I understand nostalgic reasons, but they should not hinder one to observe a game objectively. The reason I put someone's vids here is only to add some opinions to the pool in random of variation. It doesn't imply I expect him to understand much about games, and it is even unlikely that these guys do.

kesvalk

2011-09-27 04:58:58 pm

Indie Lover

so, did nintendo announced any first party game yet?
or are they trying to do what they did with the 3DS? cuz that didn't worked very well...

tomatobob

2011-09-27 06:02:43 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

You're not going to really be seeing game announcements until next year or so when the console is closer to final. They only hyped up third party support this year because Nintendo is desperate to prove that this time will be different and these other developers are totally on board. Basically what they do with every console.

J_SNAKE

2012-06-04 12:25:20 pm

Wii U is getting thumbsticks. So now it can do it all.

arkarian

2012-06-04 12:27:56 pm

red chamber dream

but will it have metal gear solid????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Gu3st

2012-06-05 12:28:38 pm

Jagger ftw

There was just a hint about a new metroid game!!

I missed it but the message before said "I am playing a new metroid game!"

Poision Envy

2012-06-05 06:00:07 pm

Club 27 Goals

I bet there's a dick in that mario box

Ntsc

2012-06-07 11:06:59 pm

I'm pretty disappointed in the Wii U both hardware and software wise. I know a lot of people had mocked up ideas about how the controller could be used but seriously it doesn't look useful at all to me. Honestly the Wii U looks like a half-assed attempt at getting into the Tablet game market. I really don't get it. How much does the thing weigh anyway? It looks like you won't be able to play with it for more than an hour at a time especially if they want you swinging the thing all over the place looking for secrets or something.

Honestly there is a reason that we have a really standard Gamepad (Xbox360, Gamecube/Wiimote with nunchuck, PS controllers) on consoles. They are the best general use object controllers. You can add shit to them or you can give them pointing abilities but they will always basically be a gamepad. Its like Windows 8, sure touch-centric is good for a few little apps that do stupid shit you could have done 10 years ago in photoshop but the majority of applications just make more sense with a full mouse and keyboard. We will probably never see them phased out.

The worst part of E3 though is the lackluster games. New Super Mario Bros Wii U...mouthful but extremely underwhelming. The games could easily run on gamecube hardware and they barely take a gig of disc space. Not exactly a game that sells new hardware. Pikmin looks ok, just kind of reminds me how Nintendo is terrible at picking great release titles. I didn't even buy my Wii until Prime 3 came out when there was finally 2-3 games I wanted.

I'm pretty disappointed in the Wii U both hardware and software wise. I know a lot of people had mocked up ideas about how the controller could be used but seriously it doesn't look useful at all to me. Honestly the Wii U looks like a half-assed attempt at getting into the Tablet game market. I really don't get it. How much does the thing weigh anyway? It looks like you won't be able to play with it for more than an hour at a time especially if they want you swinging the thing all over the place looking for secrets or something.

Honestly there is a reason that we have a really standard Gamepad (Xbox360, Gamecube/Wiimote with nunchuck, PS controllers) on consoles. They are the best general use object controllers. You can add shit to them or you can give them pointing abilities but they will always basically be a gamepad. Its like Windows 8, sure touch-centric is good for a few little apps that do stupid shit you could have done 10 years ago in photoshop but the majority of applications just make more sense with a full mouse and keyboard. We will probably never see them phased out.

The worst part of E3 though is the lackluster games. New Super Mario Bros Wii U...mouthful but extremely underwhelming. The games could easily run on gamecube hardware and they barely take a gig of disc space. Not exactly a game that sells new hardware. Pikmin looks ok, just kind of reminds me how Nintendo is terrible at picking great release titles. I didn't even buy my Wii until Prime 3 came out when there was finally 2-3 games I wanted.

MilesSMB

2012-06-07 11:14:22 pm

Screw you.

arkarian

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arkarian: 2012-06-07 11:25:43 pm

2012-06-07 11:25:06 pm

red chamber dream

not sure if serious, but i'll pretend you are

did he say something inaccurate? this gen's motion controls were interesting (to a point) but didn't really catch on with people besides those who had never played games before. besides rail shooters, skyward sword was maybe the best example of using the wiimote yet (took them 6 years btw), and now nintendo's all but abandoning it for something else.

likewise the wii u so far just doesn't seem to have much impressive going for it. pikmin is cool and i want to play it because i love pikmin, but i don't really see how the wii u will make it any more fun than the previous games. maybe once companies start to come out with some cool games that really take advantage of the hardware it might be more appealing to your typical person who plays games. we'll have to see. is being able to "detach" a game from your console to play on the controller really something a lot of people care about? i'm not convinced.

i'm a huge fan of nintendo's series and games. i want the wii u to be great, i just don't see it yet. if yet another new super mario bros game gets your panties soaked, so be it, but i think you're in the minority here.

not sure if serious, but i'll pretend you are

did he say something inaccurate? this gen's motion controls were interesting (to a point) but didn't really catch on with people besides those who had never played games before. besides rail shooters, skyward sword was maybe the best example of using the wiimote yet (took them 6 years btw), and now nintendo's all but abandoning it for something else.

likewise the wii u so far just doesn't seem to have much impressive going for it. pikmin is cool and i want to play it because i love pikmin, but i don't really see how the wii u will make it any more fun than the previous games. maybe once companies start to come out with some cool games that really take advantage of the hardware it might be more appealing to your typical person who plays games. we'll have to see. is being able to "detach" a game from your console to play on the controller really something a lot of people care about? i'm not convinced.

i'm a huge fan of nintendo's series and games. i [i]want[/i] the wii u to be great, i just don't see it yet. if yet another new super mario bros game gets your panties soaked, so be it, but i think you're in the minority here.

MilesSMB

2012-06-07 11:26:34 pm

Nah, just the Pikmin part. Pikmin is awesome. :(

arkarian

2012-06-07 11:27:48 pm

red chamber dream

yeah heh it is and i'll probably buy a wii u just to play it because i'm a pathetic fanboy at heart, but i'd be perfectly happy to play it on the ps3 or 360 or whatever. the wii u isn't what makes me want to play that game.

arkarian

2012-06-07 11:30:04 pm

red chamber dream

it's also *definitely* not going to be a big system seller in the us. like with nintendo land, nintendo keeps trying to take things the japanese love and push them on the west, and it just doesn't work.

because they don't understand white people.

Prime Hunter

2012-06-07 11:53:49 pm

Sure, I really enjoy the Mario games every time they come out with a new one, and I've turned into a Pikmin fan after trying out the first one last year, but so far there's not really anything to convince me to get a Wii U at launch. I wanted something more than what we've been offered at this point. Something that really shows what the system can do. I know it usually takes a few years before that happens, but at the moment other than Nintendo in HD the system isn't that special yet so I feel like it needs something else to catch my attention.

I mean I still haven't gotten a 3DS yet despite there being a few games I'm interested in. I learned that lesson after getting a PS3 solely for MGS4. Thankfully I've found some more exclusives for it by this point, but at the time it was all for one game and I'm not spending that much just so I can play a single game again, no matter what it is and how much I enjoy the series. Sure, I'll get the Wii U eventually but at the moment I'm not so sure it'll be at launch.

Sure, I really enjoy the Mario games every time they come out with a new one, and I've turned into a Pikmin fan after trying out the first one last year, but so far there's not really anything to convince me to get a Wii U at launch. I wanted something [i]more[/i] than what we've been offered at this point. Something that really shows what the system can do. I know it usually takes a few years before that happens, but at the moment other than Nintendo in HD the system isn't that special yet so I feel like it needs something else to catch my attention.

I mean I still haven't gotten a 3DS yet despite there being a few games I'm interested in. I learned that lesson after getting a PS3 solely for MGS4. Thankfully I've found some more exclusives for it by this point, but at the time it was all for one game and I'm not spending that much just so I can play a single game again, no matter what it is and how much I enjoy the series. Sure, I'll get the Wii U eventually but at the moment I'm not so sure it'll be at launch.

Ntsc

2012-06-08 12:01:40 am

Quote from MilesSMB:

Screw you.

haha, thats ok. I think it will be a good game but I'm just not that excited enough to buy a Wii U for pikmin. Again it isn't really a console seller for me, though I'm sure I will watch your speed run when it is available (which is like tomorrow right? MilesSMB is secretly a dev or playtester imo).

Quote from Prime Hunter:

I mean I still haven't gotten a 3DS yet despite there being a few games I'm interested in. I learned that lesson after getting a PS3 solely for MGS4.

Yeah I did the same and I regretted it for a long time... actually up until they finally got custom firmware that could run backups. Seriously there were so few good games that I was willing to even rent. The future is super bleak now with Red Box being the only way to rent games now in super limited quantity and only the 3 most current games.

I don't know, I feel a bit like the golden age of console gaming is ending but maybe I'm just a depressed over E3.

J_SNAKE

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2012-06-08 09:39:29 pm

It was a show of gimmicks, nothing more. The problem is the philosophy in how everyone is approaching this console. If a game is better suited for traditional controls then one should just leave it by that. It is not like one has to adapt every game to the flavor of new controls just for its own sake. It is unhealthy thinking, for the game-quality and thus for all its consumers aswell. The devs act like kids: if there are still sweets ( translated: control-options) left on the table they will eat the rest of them despite they had enough already. Just urgently searching for ideas how to take advantage of the new controller is usually an unhealthy path, it won't go anywhere far. Instead the game-designer should use the control-options just according to the potential his game-idea requires. This is the only practical way to stay away from gimmicks. And following it over time it would just naturally happen that most of the new control-options are used in the increasing games-pool, but in a usefull way.

As I can imagine the touchscreen can be handy to setup certain complex menus, but doing it for simple ones is convoluted and thus a gimmick.

Another sensefull example is my Smart-Ray demo, as some of you might know: the touch-screen would be very helpfull to create those Smart-Ray-Scripts since you have more expression to draw flow-paths with your finger than by indirectly moving a thumbstick-cursor. It is also a fundamental difference in design-philosophy here. I didn't develop the idea of Smart-Ray because I want you to use a touchscreen, I developed it because it adds something to the game itself. Then I go sure to adapt it best possible to the system you are playing it on. In case of Wii U it would just happen that the touchscreen comes handy for Smart-Ray-creation.

If the WiiU-devs don't start to create a healthy attitude towards games the console might be in danger :(

It was a show of gimmicks, nothing more. The problem is the philosophy in how everyone is approaching this console. If a game is better suited for traditional controls then one should just leave it by that. It is not like one has to adapt every game to the flavor of new controls just for its own sake. It is unhealthy thinking, for the game-quality and thus for all its consumers aswell. The devs act like kids: if there are still sweets ( translated: control-options) left on the table they will eat the rest of them despite they had enough already. Just urgently searching for ideas how to take advantage of the new controller is usually an unhealthy path, it won't go anywhere far. Instead the game-designer should use the control-options just according to the potential his game-idea requires. This is the only practical way to stay away from gimmicks. And following it over time it would just naturally happen that most of the new control-options are used in the increasing games-pool, but in a usefull way.

As I can imagine the touchscreen can be handy to setup certain complex menus, but doing it for simple ones is convoluted and thus a gimmick.

Another sensefull example is my Smart-Ray demo, as some of you might know: the touch-screen would be very helpfull to create those Smart-Ray-Scripts since you have more expression to draw flow-paths with your finger than by indirectly moving a thumbstick-cursor. It is also a fundamental difference in design-philosophy here. I didn't develop the idea of Smart-Ray because I want you to use a touchscreen, I developed it because it adds something to the game itself. Then I go sure to adapt it best possible to the system you are playing it on. In case of Wii U it would just happen that the touchscreen comes handy for Smart-Ray-creation.

If the WiiU-devs don't start to create a healthy attitude towards games the console might be in danger :(