The last Fusion suit

2005-11-11 06:37:27 pm

would depend on whether the x recreate things genetically, visually, or both. if it's genetic, it's possible that the x could "grow" sex organs and make the offspring what they are mimicking would have had (if the aim is to make more x, no need for sexual reproduction).

JaggerG

2005-11-12 08:20:58 am

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

I think the whole sexual debate is totally pointless. I think SABER just has some globule fetish or something.

Really, what's the point in sexual division if Samus is the ultimate soldier? And why would the X screw a scientist X and wait nine months to produce a baby, then another several years to raise it? They're all gonna be extinct in less than an hour!

Sasuke_Kun

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2005-11-12 08:22:50 am

Not to mention with a 1% completion to boot.

Chanoire

2005-11-12 01:24:59 pm

The question isn't "why", or "would it be a good idea". It's whether it's possible at all. Possible != desirable.

DeathNoble

2005-11-12 01:56:14 pm

[On Topic] You know, with AR codes, if you give yourself nothing but the Ice Beam, even at the very beginning, it changes your sprite to the last suit... Looks like the final suit is nothing more than a side-effect of the Ice Beam...

How 'bout calling it the SA-X Suit...?

SABERinBLUE

2005-11-12 04:53:30 pm

Cook of the Sea

Quote from JaggerG:

I think the whole sexual debate is totally pointless. I think SABER just has some globule fetish or something.

Really, what's the point in sexual division if Samus is the ultimate soldier? And why would the X screw a scientist X and wait nine months to produce a baby, then another several years to raise it? They're all gonna be extinct in less than an hour!

Meh, it's not so much relevant as it is me being all obsessive compulsive about whenever someone said that the X couldn't reproduce sexually. I don't think that's true at all.

LifeMega

2005-11-12 07:44:12 pm

I think that the SA-X isn't just Samus in the removed suit parts, but also the organic suit parts. Only the inorganic parts were removed, and the SA-X would need the whole suit, so it's probably Samus AND the organic suit, which explains the weird face. But where did the second SA-X get the inorganic suit from? You can't just grow that, it has no DNA.

kwinse

2005-11-12 09:39:45 pm

Maybe they couldn't seperate certain organic sections from the inorganic without permanently damage the suit...

DeathNoble

2005-11-12 09:42:58 pm

I've always thought the entire suit was organic, since it bonded with her sytems. And continued to bond, as in the beginning of Fusion it said "...the suit had become so integrated with..."

And like I said, the sheer addition of the Ice Beam gives you the orange suit. I say the entire suit ios organic.

nate

2005-11-12 09:44:09 pm

if i had to say a part wasn't organic, i would say the helmet.

Smops

2005-11-13 07:05:33 am

Strong, hard, metalish things can be organic. Nails, teeth, shells, they could function like armor, and they are clearly organic. Loads of bugs have organic armor. So I don't see why the helmet couldn't be organic.

Zeke

2005-11-13 07:52:40 am

Time bomb set get out fast!

I'll tell you why not: because Samus puts her head in it. Would you do that with something alive?

Space Pirate: Whoa, check it out -- a helmet tree! I'm trying this one on! Look at me! Look look! I'm the Hunter. Howdy howdy how--
(CHOMP)
Space Pirate Commander: Another man lost to the deadly Helmata Dentata. Infuse his corpse with phazon and let's move on.
Space Pirate Lieutenant: Don't you think maybe we should start warning them about that thing?
Space Pirate Commander: If you have a better way to weed out the morons, I'd like to hear it.

Smops

2005-11-13 07:58:47 am

Uhm, most of her suit is organic. And she wears that.

Sasuke_Kun

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2005-11-13 08:22:26 am

I think we can all agree that Samus won't get eaten by her own suit, solely because if it were to happen it would have already.

Izo

2005-11-13 08:28:57 am

soaking through

I doubt any of it's organic, tbh. I'd say the bits that have bonded with her are simply where the suit connects with her nerve structure, something that I don't think would be too hard for a super advanced futuristic civilisation.

Sasuke_Kun

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2005-11-13 10:06:15 am

But doesn't it say at the beginning of Fusion that some parts are organic?

DeathNoble

2005-11-13 12:10:29 pm

Yep.

[On Topic] Has anyone else noticed this big fact about the final suit in Fusion (The orange one for those of you coming into this thread late)? That while you have the fusion suit, Samus' visor is blue. (Can see it in the cut scenes.) But after getting the orange suit, the visor turns green, the color her visor was to begin with before the X infection...

EDIT: More SA-X Suit findings...

The suit reverts back to the actual colors of the suit you really have while absorbing an X.

The suit (Even on its own without Varia or Gravity) has the abilities of all previous suits. (No temperature damage, free water movement, no lava damage)

The suit is still vulnerable to green acid found in the Ridley section of SRX.

The suit does not give protection against damage, which leads me to believe that the Omega Metroid is specially programmed to instantly "put the hurt on" Samus unless the Ice Beam is active...

2ND EDIT: The SA-X suit does the job of all other suits except protect against the blue X... Odd...

Yep.

[On Topic]  Has anyone else noticed this big fact about the final suit in Fusion (The orange one for those of you coming into this thread late)?  That while you have the fusion suit, Samus' visor is blue.  (Can see it in the cut scenes.)  But after getting the orange suit, the visor turns green, the color her visor was to begin with before the X infection...

EDIT:  More SA-X Suit findings...

The suit reverts back to the actual colors of the suit you really have while absorbing an X.

The suit (Even on its own without Varia or Gravity) has the abilities of all previous suits.  (No temperature damage, free water movement, no lava damage)

The suit is still vulnerable to green acid found in the Ridley section of SRX.

The suit does not give protection against damage, which leads me to believe that the Omega Metroid is specially programmed to instantly "put the hurt on" Samus unless the Ice Beam is active...

2ND EDIT:  The SA-X suit does the job of all other suits [i]except[/i] protect against the blue X...  Odd...

Xion

2006-01-18 10:41:55 am

Quote from Chanoire:

Quote from SABERinBLUE:

Well right, but it may have also been able to reproduce sexually. If it can mimic Samus's armor, jumping abilities, blasty arm, etc, that may not be too hard an ability to duplicate.

I'm not convinced that Samus herself would be able to reproduce after all her system's been through. Chozo infusion, X infection, metroid vaccine...seems like one or more of these could have rendered her infertile, not to mention other job hazards. And even if she is, I'd think that viable eggs would be on a totally different scale from jumping; many organisms have muscles but that doesn't make them cross-fertile. And wouldn't the blasty arm be part of the suit rather than organic?

I think your right about the blasty arm (aslo known as arm cannon). in Metroid Zero Mission when samus takes off her suit she has a special rifle rather than an arm cannon.

nn12000

2006-01-18 12:17:38 pm

Mister ...

Wow, this debate is crazy.

Wasn't Samus' suit made by the Chozo's? Or at least didn't they help to make it? (I read that somewhere, that's why the Space Pirates take it in ZM or something). Therefore, it wouldn't exactly be organic.

Also, all Contaminated parts of Samus' first suit was sent to the quarentine bay. So, if the X Had only taken on Samus' DNA, it had the suit right there for the taking. If that is the case, then there you go. Another way I see it is, The X parasites can become anything it infects. One way to look at this, The Security robot. When you go to sector NOC (6), Adam tells you that the X parasites have infected the robot, making it more powerful (and that the SA-X is in that sector, hunting you down).

If that was the case. then the X parasites could've just done the same for Samus' old power suit. Just infect it, after it's been sent, "rebuilt" it, use it for their own purpose.

Here's a good question to think about. Do you think personally that the explosion of the BSL Station crashing into SR-388 destroyed all the X parasites?

Wow, this debate is crazy.

Wasn't Samus' suit made by the Chozo's? Or at least didn't they help to make it? (I read that somewhere, that's why the Space Pirates take it in ZM or something). Therefore, it wouldn't exactly be organic.

Also, all [i]Contaminated[/i] parts of Samus' first suit was sent to the quarentine bay.  So, if the X Had only taken on Samus' DNA, it had the suit right there for the taking.  If that is the case, then there you go.  Another way I see it is, The X parasites can become [i]anything[/i] it infects.  One way to look at this, The Security robot.  When you go to sector NOC (6), Adam tells you that the X parasites have infected the robot, making it more powerful (and that the SA-X is in that sector, hunting you down).

If that was the case. then the X parasites could've just done the same for Samus' old power suit. Just infect it, after it's been sent, "rebuilt" it, use it for their own purpose.

Here's a good question to think about.  Do you think personally that the explosion of the BSL Station crashing into SR-388 destroyed all the X parasites?

Dragonfangs

2006-01-18 01:34:52 pm

The X can only infect organic components, which only the same X (or spawns of that X) then can reproduce. I'd imagine anything not organic doesn't get infected and can therefore not be reproduced.

Certain "half-creature, half-machine" things (BOX, Nightmare, Samus's suit) can therefore have their organic parts infected and copied, and as long as they're infected the mechanic parts pretty much follow along (they can't do much else, silly "not thinking"-things). However, the mechanic parts do not get copied. And so, if the X were to try reproducing anything partly mechanic, they would end up as something strangly deformed with things missing.

Starblade

2006-01-18 01:55:26 pm

Quote:

Here's a good question to think about. Do you think personally that the explosion of the BSL Station crashing into SR-388 destroyed all the X parasites?

The planet (and station) blew up. Draw your own conclusions.

nn12000

2006-01-18 03:50:14 pm

Mister ...

Quote from Starblade:

The planet (and station) blew up. Draw your own conclusions.

Actually, from what I saw, only the ship blew up, but it crashed into SR-388, and that portion of the planet 'sploded. But, the actual planet didn't 'splode. Just where the ship hit it.

DeathNoble

2006-01-18 04:06:50 pm

Watch when Samus is flying away. There's a dust cloud nebula where the planet should've been. It's a safe bet the planet 'sploded.

nn12000

2006-01-18 06:09:58 pm

Mister ...

Quote from DeathNoble:

Watch when Samus is flying away. There's a dust cloud nebula where the planet should've been. It's a safe bet the planet 'sploded.

HEY!!! THAT"S MY WORD!!!.

and I've beaten the game many times (just fought the SA-X, and watched credits) and I've seen it. To me, it looks like just a small explosion on the planet.

DeathNoble

2006-01-18 06:20:21 pm

Quote from nn12000:

HEY!!! THAT"S MY WORD!!!.

That's why I used it... I used it to emphasize a point: the fact that you're denial that SR388 went kablamy.