The "I need help" topic

2015-06-30 09:11:07 am

Quote from itsPersonnal:

both of those SW entries look disgusting. have fun!

The second SW entry isn't the worst thing in the world, though it'll take a crapton of practice to get down consistently. The first one... <_<

Hazel

2015-06-30 09:14:48 am

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

really makes you wonder if you could use boost ball to your advantage in the first one.. I imagine parax would have thought of that and done that if it were easier/possible though. just looking at the slope, you'd think you could boost right up there.

JustinDM

2015-06-30 09:15:08 am

By "next room" you mean the nova door, correct?

Also I'm not collecting nova beam that way. Where would I re-enter...?

kirbymastah

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kirbymastah: 2015-06-30 09:17:15 am

2015-06-30 09:16:47 am

Quote from JustinDM:

By "next room" you mean the nova door, correct?

Also I'm not collecting nova beam that way. Where would I re-enter...?

The next room you go to in any%, i.e. the one above the spider track since the entire point is to skip spider ball.

Also if you're doing the 2nd SW, there's no reason (at least in terms of difficulty) to not get nova beam like that since the wallcrawl is incredibly easy. You can just morph above the nova beam if you want to play it safe.

JustinDM

2015-06-30 09:17:39 am

If I die then it won't be single segment.

kirbymastah

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kirbymastah: 2015-06-30 09:19:17 am

2015-06-30 09:18:57 am

Quote from JustinDM:

If I die then it won't be single segment.

I don't really want to get into the discussion of "is the nova beam wallcrawl single segment or not?" (which I think it should with a definition change since the entire point of "single segment" is to not repeat segments, and we're not repeating a segment but whatever)

Anyways if you really don't want to die, just do exactly the same thing except in hypermode so you don't die; IIRC you can trigger the pirate fight?

JustinDM

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JustinDM: 2015-06-30 09:22:16 am

2015-06-30 09:20:28 am

I'll look into it. Thanks for answering!

Edit: It really needs to be discussed, because it's a big time saver.

kirbymastah

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kirbymastah: 2015-06-30 09:25:46 am

2015-06-30 09:25:28 am

Well MG has a pastebin putting together a pretty convincing argument to allow it but it's his pastebin and I'll wait for him to share it. The TL;DR version, though, is that the intent behind single segment is to disallow retrying segments, and that's not the case here; and the "IGT" that isn't counted for this specific wallcrawl is the time between getting nova beam and dying, which quite frankly nobody cares about.

JustinDM

2015-06-30 09:30:31 am

Quote:

Single-segment: Beats the game in one sitting. Resetting or using save&quits midrun are allowed, but may be a separate category if they speed things up significantly.

Source: http://speeddemosarchive.com/lang/rules_en.

It doesn't even mention dying. But I would really like to see that pastebin. Hopefully MG reads the corruption threads.

kirbymastah

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kirbymastah: 2015-06-30 09:33:40 am

2015-06-30 09:31:41 am

Quote from JustinDM:

Quote:

Single-segment: Beats the game in one sitting. Resetting or using save&quits midrun are allowed, but may be a separate category if they speed things up significantly.

Source: http://speeddemosarchive.com/lang/rules_en.

It doesn't even mention dying. But I would really like to see that pastebin. Hopefully MG reads the corruption threads.

SDA rules are ancient and are just kinda blah nowadays; not even sure if that's up to date. Most communities have moved on from SDA definitions and stopped caring so idk.

EDIT: also the link is broken

JustinDM

2015-06-30 09:35:42 am

Fixed link http://speeddemosarchive.com/lang/rules_en.html

It's whatever. As long as everybody says it's ok I will get to practicing.

kirbymastah

2015-06-30 09:37:40 am

Quote from JustinDM:

Fixed link http://speeddemosarchive.com/lang/rules_en.html

It's whatever. As long as everybody says it's ok I will get to practicing.

Well regardless, the SW is the hard part anyways. Whether it's ultimately allowed or not shouldn't change much on how to do the wallcrawl, and it saves time either way; just less if you disallow checkpoint abuse for this case.

JustinDM

2015-06-30 09:39:17 am

If checkpoint abuse is allowed I would much rather use that. It doesn't even affect IGT.

Odylg

2015-08-08 10:22:49 am

I run this here hotel of an evening

This debate always reminds me of Ocarina of Time and the warp to ganons castle as a child.

I say allow it since it isn't for optimization, but required for a sequence break. Late reply, I know.

I do have a reason for posting here:
What triggers the first pirate homework landing site? For that matter, what's the trigger that makes Dane say he's in orbit and will let you know when he's ready to attack?
Aaaaand what's the trigger for the Valhalla landing site?

Sorry about asking so many questions

TheMG2

2015-08-08 10:24:51 am

Pirate Homeworld landing site: Destroy Elysia Seed
Dane says he's in orbit: not sure
Valhalla Landing site: Screw attack and leave bryyo ice

Aruki

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Aruki: 2015-08-08 11:19:22 am

2015-08-08 10:25:52 am

Dane says he's in orbit = get Spider Ball. That transmission doesn't actually do anything.

edit: or that might be the one after Nova Beam. I don't remember.

TheMG2

2015-08-08 11:21:39 am

Nah I'm pretty sure it isn't nova and Dane tells you he is in orbit a while before you are able to actually take down the homeworld shield.

It doesn't do anything though, all that matters there is taking down the homeworld shield.

Odylg

2015-08-08 11:45:14 am

I run this here hotel of an evening

I'm doing a cheat assisted run for the hell of it. Since I started with all items I was hoping I could avoid bryyo altogether like i did with Norion.
Also, the reason I wanted to know about the dialog was because it would happen on the way to fight ghor.
Side note: sucks that boost and spider don't work until you collect them, even though they're in my inventory. And plasma not able to weld but still able to melt stuff.

TheMG2

2015-08-08 11:46:35 am

You can avoid Bryyo altogether, 16% does not require bryyo at all.

Aruki

2015-08-08 11:51:10 am

Quote from TheMG2:

You can avoid Bryyo altogether, 16% does not require bryyo at all.

Screw Attack

(not that you need Screw Attack if you're moon jumping)

TheMG2

2015-08-08 11:53:26 am

I forgot about screw attack, which is extremely stupid of me considering I had just posted that leaving bryyo ice with SA was what triggered Valhalla. (so it would be required to go there even with moon jump)

Aruki

2015-08-08 11:55:11 am

No it's not. Screw Attack is skippable, remember?

IIRC the Valhalla unlocks when you open Pirate Homeworld regardless of whether you've been to Bryyo Ice.

TheMG2

2015-08-08 11:55:59 am

I forgot about SA being skippable as well.

Odylg

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Odylg: 2015-08-08 02:57:55 pm

2015-08-08 02:34:54 pm

I run this here hotel of an evening

So... I DO get to avoid Bryyo? Sweet!

EDIT: I'm guessing I know the answer to this but I'll be wondering if I don't try. Is there any way, ANY way at all, to change what button needs to be pressed for Moonjump, like maybe a change to the cheat itself? Or the one used for boost?
Not being able to use boost sucks. So does sacrificing Moonjump seeing as that was the entire point of the run in the first place. Hell, even a way to enable/disable moonjump at will would be nice.

Aruki

2015-08-08 03:03:38 pm

You could probably modify the code but don't ask me exactly how you'd do that. I'd try looking up how the codes are structured and try to find documentation on how button presses in codes works.