The "I need help" Topic

2006-03-29 09:38:43 pm

PBG is also mandatory. (I thought you must mean skip torvus completely early on.)

2006-03-30 10:35:17 am

also, you need the boost ball and seekers+dark visor to get through the REAL sancuary. Unless you can do the long SW float in Temple grounds. Although i havent tried the long float up to sanctuary so, doniss will be the host of this show.

So it would be impossible to skip boost ball or dark visor regulary, if your goal is too skip torvus in all, and like doniss said, the PBG is mandatory, so that would be the only way to skip torvus tempararly.

MoonDude

2006-04-07 12:34:47 pm

Hi all. This is probably a very newbie question that i'd find the answer to if i had all day, but can anyone inform me as to where the light beam charge combo is? I have the dark one, which i'm amazed is actually catastrophically powerful if used correctly, compared to Primes measly charge combo's, and i'm assuming i've missed the light one.

I'm about half way through the sanctuary fortress, having just got the spider ball. In fact, it's been a few days since i played, and i distinctly remember dawdling for a while before getting a beacon in Torvus under the hydrodynamo chamber (?), but i forget exactly what the upgrade was now.

Thanks

Edit: I think it was the power bomb.

Dr. Trence

2006-04-07 02:19:14 pm

inorder to get the sunburst, you have to be in path of eyes. there will be a super missle door somewhere in the middle of the room (check your map) but inorder to access it, you need to shoot a dark crystal on the block, then in the next room, power bomb the yellow door, which will give you access to grand windchamber. here, find the dark portal to enter the dark world.
there is 4 locks in the room, each with 2 different color settings, use the corresponding spinners to rotate the pieces so they are all high-lighted the same color. use the orb cannons to travel to each platform, once all 4 locks are lined up, shoot them with the seeker missles, repeat the process, high-lighting the color you didn't use the first time, then use your seeker launcher again. when thr locks drop off, you'll have access to four grapple points in the light version of the grand windchamber. when you get back to the light world, use the orb cannon to reach the platform the sunburst is on. that is all :p

MoonDude

2006-04-07 02:25:30 pm

Nice one. Thanks

Laney

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2006-04-08 03:40:32 pm

Okay, though my limited time of playing I have dark suit now, but have problems to get in Secret World 66.
Can anyone please give me a description how to get in there with space jump?

doninss

2006-04-09 02:10:25 am

There's a vid linked to from this page at scu.

And a description of the find here.

If you just want early Sanc, EPB (SW39 *look for the link in the text*) then enter from Agon or Torvus might be less frustrating.

Laney

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2006-04-09 06:34:56 am

Thanks, yeah this was an idea but I just wanted powerbombs for now.

EDIT: THis was the wrong thing, I meant this one:
http://www.metroid2002.com/prime2/index.php/Temple_Assembly_Site_SW

doninss

2006-04-09 02:52:40 pm

http://www.samusforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2178&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=sw39&start=722

A description of entering SW39 using Flamy's ghetto method.

Alternatives: Sparky's SW39 method. The bsj method for SW50.

Tahngarthor

2006-04-19 12:24:12 am

Bangaa Bishop

I need help beating emperor ing on hard mode. Main problem is I suck, second problem is I use up my beam ammo really fast trying to hit the tentacles for the first form. I never really looked at the best way to take care of that part, but the power beam just seems to take way too long, and since I suck at dodging his attacks, time wasted = lose. And shouldnt I be saving some ammo for first form of dark samus in the escape? (I read that a sonic boom or two dispatches that real fast).

rekameohs

2006-04-19 12:27:39 am

Anywhere, everywhere

One uncharged light beam destroys a tentacle in one hit.
For DS3, just rapid fire Annihilator Beam shots.

UchihaSasuke

2006-04-19 12:56:18 am

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

^^ 2 shots in hard mode

the Emperor is just a lot harder in hard mode. it took me like 3 tries to beat him. you need to be careful when shooting since now you can run out of ammo due to the thing taking twice the damage.
the cheap strat won't work since he needs 2 Supermissile shots to be stunned so your best bet is shoot and then walk to prepare to dodge. reading his movement is the key too. if you can dodge his pattern consistently and manage the ammo well, you can beat him.

DS3&4 are about the same as usual. just be careful to not shoot her when the force field is disappearing or she'll recover energy.

Tahngarthor

2006-04-19 04:38:37 pm

Bangaa Bishop

Whats the best weapon to damage the emperor ing with after you shoot all the tentacles and he's got that rotating shield?

doninss

2006-04-19 05:20:47 pm

Quote from Tahngarthor:

Whats the best weapon to damage the emperor ing with after you shoot all the tentacles and he's got that rotating shield?

Supers get excellent damage, although the timing may be tough to get right at first. Charged light beam does good damage and is easy to hit with (but hard on ammo).

UchihaSasuke

2006-04-20 01:32:31 am

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

Annihilator works too but then you would have wasted the ammo there unless you get lucky and get ammo refills against the final Emperor form.

Ks2

2006-04-25 09:14:00 pm

i swear this screw attack is getting to me. can anyone give me tips on using it, getting out of the vault was a fluke ((i fell off the first time i tried and ended up on the top of the platform with the door)) but the screw attack didnt get me close,

in the map it says theres a portal where i orginaly came in, but there si none and thus no way to go back the way i came

anyway now im in the grand abyss thing ((light world)) and there is no way across the screw attack doesnt even get me halfway, i have wasted almost 6 energy tanks trying

ive searched as much of this thread as i can ut havent found much help ((found something involving robots?)) any help here would be nice

UchihaSasuke

2006-04-25 09:32:53 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

you have to press B in the air not very fast. more like B--1 second--B--1 second--B and so on. if you press it too fast, the screw attack spins will be shorter.

Ks2

2006-04-25 10:22:39 pm

ahh that helped immensly, thanks

now to beat quadraxis...

MASTER-88

2006-05-10 06:27:54 pm

Speedrunner

YEah im finally can du abadoned base ghetto pretty perfectly, im skip dark suit my next/future run.

But im ask couple question.

1: How im beat Boost guardian in one round? im watch Silent echo video but strategy not working for me why?.

2: Im have further trouble make double bsj, i not need help triple bsj because i not need this trick my next run and single bsj is easy trick for me, but how i can du double bsj? im practice this trick in dark forgoten bridge but this not working. I know Rekhamheos advice me, but strategy not working why?

Metatroid

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2006-05-10 06:31:28 pm

Well, for Boosty, you want to charge up a Light Beam sshot, get up close, and then blast him. Repeat until fried.

I can't do ANY tricks in echoes. It's just too damn hard. Embarassed

MASTER-88

2006-05-11 04:24:55 am

Speedrunner

Quote from Metatroid:

Well, for Boosty, you want to charge up a Light Beam sshot, get up close, and then blast him. Repeat until fried.

I can't do ANY tricks in echoes. It's just too damn hard. Embarassed

YEah all echoes trick are very hard first time, but im learn many trick in one week. Im learn make pretty perfect roll jump and single bsj is very easy just now. i learn make underwater dash (this cause problem every time, but anyway i can du this trick, but underwater dash segment took multiple hours my speedrun. I can du make pretty perfect abadoned base ghetto, im learn this trick yesterday.

Boost guardian trick is different, i try use just same strategy as silent echo, but boss rise up, in ground why? I not shot full blast charge his eye.

chris37599

2006-05-11 05:23:11 pm

I think I found a strat for Empy Ing's tentacles. Use Power Bombs. Wink

The timing is hard to get at first, but if the PB connects, you'll have saved a LOT of time. Especially when, later on (unless you one round him) you have to kill like... 10...

Tahngarthor

2006-05-11 11:39:02 pm

Bangaa Bishop

I found the powerbombs quite useful for speeding up the form done in morph ball mode on hard.

silent (((((echo)))))

2006-05-13 04:29:40 am

Yeah, power bombs speed up the emperor ing form 2 battle. Though, it requires several power bombs, it is only really efficient in 100% runs unfortunately. :(

Quote:

1: How im beat Boost guardian in one round? im watch Silent echo video but strategy not working for me why?.

That's a difficult trick imo. It only saves 20secs in any kind of run but it probably makes the battle easier. I don't know really good tips to kill him in one round. :(

In order to prevent him from returning back to solid form, as soon as he go into his puddle form on the ground, you've to immediately come close to him. Then, during all the battle, you've to stay close to him in puddle form and always follow him. He will try to escape but don't let him do that. If he he gets too far from you, he will turn again in solid form and you will not be able to kill him in one round. After dropping 90% of his energy during his puddle or liquid form, let him go away, he will turn into solid form and quickly give him the final blow. Evil or Very Mad

this page should also help you : http://www.metroid2002.com/echoes/boss_tricks_boost_guardian.php

Quote:

2: Im have further trouble make double bsj, i not need help triple bsj because i not need this trick my next run and single bsj is easy trick for me, but how i can du double bsj? im practice this trick in dark forgoten bridge but this not working. I know Rekhamheos advice me, but strategy not working why?

The double bsj is really different from the single bsj. If you can perform the roll jump, that technique shouldn't cause you too much trouble. Here are some tips :

1) you must not lay the second bomb of your bomb jump too high, you must lay the second bomb before the peak of your bomb jump. If you place the second bomb too high, you won't be able to jump after the instant unmorph. The lower you place the bomb, the easier it will be in my opinion.

2) after the instant unmorph, you must push the B button very quickly, if you're not fast enough, you won't be able to jump after the instant unmorph. The timing of the double bsj is like the timing of the roll jump, the B button has to be pressed after the X button as fast as the roll jump. the faster you press B after X, the higher the chances of getting a jump after the instant unmorph will be.

I hope that it helps. :-D

EDIT : I have been able to perform the double bsj after reading these posts of tjp7154 and graveworm. It's the second and third posts in this page : http://www.metroid2002.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1643&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=250

Yeah, power bombs speed up the emperor ing form 2 battle. Though, it requires several power bombs, it is only really efficient in 100% runs unfortunately.  :(

[quote]1: How im beat Boost guardian in one round? im watch Silent echo video but strategy not working for me why?. [/quote]

That's a difficult trick imo. It only saves 20secs in any kind of run but it probably makes the battle easier. I don't know really good tips to kill him in one round. :(

In order to prevent him from returning back to solid form, as soon as he go into his puddle form on the ground, you've to immediately come close to him. Then, during all the battle, you've to stay close to him in puddle form and always follow him. He will try to escape but don't let him do that. If he he gets too far from you, he will turn again in solid form and you will not be able to kill him in one round. After dropping 90% of his energy during his puddle or liquid form, let him go away, he will turn into solid form and quickly give him the final blow. :evil:  :laugh:

this page should also help you : http://www.metroid2002.com/echoes/boss_tricks_boost_guardian.php

[quote]2: Im have further trouble make double bsj, i not need help triple bsj because i not need this trick my next run and single bsj is easy trick for me, but how i can du double bsj? im practice this trick in dark forgoten bridge but this not working. I know Rekhamheos advice me, but strategy not working why?[/quote]

The double bsj is really different from the single bsj. If you can perform the roll jump, that technique shouldn't cause you too much trouble. Here are some tips :

1) you must not lay the second bomb of your bomb jump too high, you must lay the second bomb before the peak of your bomb jump. If you place the second bomb too high, you won't be able to jump after the instant unmorph. The lower you place the bomb, the easier it will be in my opinion.

2) after the instant unmorph, you must push the B button very quickly, if you're not fast enough, you won't be able to jump after the instant unmorph. The timing of the double bsj is like the timing of the roll jump, the B button has to be pressed after the X button as fast as the roll jump. the faster you press B after X, the higher the chances of getting a jump after the instant unmorph will be.

I hope that it helps. :-D

EDIT : I have been able to perform the double bsj after reading these posts of tjp7154 and graveworm. It's the second and third posts in this page : http://www.metroid2002.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1643&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=250

Odylg

2006-05-19 03:55:19 am

I run this here hotel of an evening

(posted here rather than in Speed Tricks Topic because it's not a SPEED trick, rather than something helpfull)

Room: Main Research
Area: Sanctuary Fortress
Type Of Trick: getting back out w/o spider or screw so as not to get stuck

say you get the powerbombs early and come here w/o spider or screw. there seems to be no way out. however, jumping on one of those machine thingies that keep 'poking' the spider ball track, then to the thingie (sorry, i'm not so good with words...) moving back and forth on the track, you can actually get out. very usefull if you haven't saved in awhile

if this is already known, then i apologize, but i just found this out on me own