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Opium: 2015-12-09 10:02:05 am

2015-12-09 10:00:40 am

I'm usually pretty powered up for Camilla so no problems there, but I remember how frustrating that could be in the Necromancer fight.

Last night I think I figured out that I don't care for Darksiders 2 very much. Darksiders 1 was terrifying and full of evil bloodthirsty soul-eating demons. When you hear about Darksiders 2 and how you play a terrifying looking horseman named Death, you would think that you're going to get another dose of scary violent evil, but no. His design and concept, his weapons and their descriptions - all totally demonic. His voice, his demeanor, the setting, the story, the NPC's, the music - all totally NOT evil. It doesn't fit, and it doesn't work. It totally feels like the people who made this game were not directed to be on the same page. It felt uncomfortable while he was softly and politely asking the makers questions, even calling them 'old friend' (really?) but lastnight when I finished the third temple and he sat on the shoulder of the gate titan and was called 'little one', then gets down and thanks him for the ride in a sunny green beautiful setting, it just felt like shit. I'm debating whether or not to continue at this point.

I'm usually pretty powered up for Camilla so no problems there, but I remember how frustrating that could be in the Necromancer fight.

Last night I think I figured out that I don't care for Darksiders 2 very much. Darksiders 1 was terrifying and full of evil bloodthirsty soul-eating demons.  When you hear about Darksiders 2 and how you play a terrifying looking horseman named Death, you would think that you're going to get another dose of scary violent evil, but no. His design and concept, his weapons and their descriptions - all totally demonic.  His voice, his demeanor, the setting, the story, the NPC's, the music - all totally NOT evil.  It doesn't fit, and it doesn't work. It totally feels like the people who made this game were not directed to be on the same page.  It felt uncomfortable while he was softly and politely asking the makers questions, even calling them 'old friend' (really?) but lastnight when I finished the third temple and he sat on the shoulder of the gate titan and was called 'little one', then gets down and thanks him for the ride in a sunny green beautiful setting, it just felt like shit.  I'm debating whether or not to continue at this point.

Toozin

2015-12-09 01:24:44 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Odd, I found Death's personality and behavior refreshing after War's "grrr, so ANGRY" blandness. But to each their own I suppose.

Opium

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Opium: 2015-12-09 01:39:35 pm

Opium: 2015-12-09 01:38:57 pm

2015-12-09 01:36:19 pm

The thing I don't like about his personality is that it does not fit his appearance, or anything you would assume about a demonic skull-faced doombringer named Death. They gave him the voice and personality of a friendly neighbor. So stupid!

Death: 'Would you please tell me more about these constructs, wise old friend?' It should be more like 'Tell me where I can find these constructs and I might spare your life, old fool.'

Toozin

2015-12-09 01:42:25 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

If he was like that he'd just be War in a different skin.

Just because you have a skull face doesn't neccesarily mean you're going to be a dick to everybody. I personally like the juxtaposition.

Opium

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Opium: 2015-12-09 01:46:36 pm

Opium: 2015-12-09 01:46:00 pm

2015-12-09 01:45:21 pm

Quote from Toozin:

If he was like that he'd just be War in a different skin.

Just because you have a skull face doesn't neccesarily mean you're going to be a dick to everybody. I personally like the juxtaposition.

I couldn't disagree more. War wouldn't have even asked. Just because they're both evil doesn't mean they'd have the same personality. The personality they gave Death does not even come close to fitting the character.

It's so bad that I wonder if the person doing the voice or the writing even saw a picture of the character.

Opium

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Opium: 2015-12-09 01:52:53 pm

2015-12-09 01:48:56 pm

And it's not just the character, it's the whole game. It's like they completely abandoned the theme. It almost feels like this game was some fantasy adventure game that had already been made for some other character, and at the last minute they made Death the main character and called it Darksiders 2.

What's the point of darksiders without any evil?

Opium

2015-12-09 01:49:59 pm

Some of the dungeon design is good, but I'm on the 4th one now and they look pretty much identical.

Toozin

2015-12-09 01:53:47 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Neither War or Death are evil. Not sure what gave you that impression.

But if the asthetics don't do it for you, that's a personal prefrence and totally fair.

tomatobob

2015-12-09 03:59:48 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

Personifications/gods of death have actually been chill as hell even as far back as ancient Greece, so Darksiders 2 Death not being nutso isn't weird at all! Being an inevitability probably does that to you.

It also makes him Not Kratos instead of "Not Kratos" Wink

which is a positive step for video game characterizations.

arkarian

2015-12-09 04:31:16 pm

red chamber dream

yeah like all those stories where people cheat death

he doesn't care cuz he'll get em eventually ;)

Toozin

2015-12-09 06:41:16 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Death in Darksiders isn't the personification of death. He doesn't reap souls or anything, he's just super good at killing so they made him the horseman of death. None of the horsemen are personifications, in fact.

So even more reason for him to be chill.

arkarian

2015-12-09 08:42:38 pm

red chamber dream

ah, gotcha. i should play those games, they always seemed like something i would like

Opium

2015-12-10 09:50:48 am

Quote from Toozin:

Neither War or Death are evil. Not sure what gave you that impression.

But if the asthetics don't do it for you, that's a personal prefrence and totally fair.

Not sure if trolling...or?

Da Dood

2015-12-10 10:23:44 am

Dood Trigger™

Chapter 6 of The Evil Within, No Upgrade run. Nightmare difficulty.

This is the last big run that I wanted to do in TEW. The default sprint is sooo horrible in this game. And the accuracy that magically misses perfect aim shots doesn't do it any favors. Been pretty much avoiding the Handgun unless it's guaranteed to hit (which... it isn't... ever... >_>).

Still, I gotta say this is kinda easy so far. I'm super limited in stock and abilities, but at least I can actually use all the weapons. There won't be an ammo shortage unless I play really bad. I even exaggerated on the stealth kills in Chapters 2 and 3. Could've left much sooner by using guns and fully restocking in the next room/level. Oh well.

Worst part was the water tank fight as usual. I hate this fight so much. Lost count of how many times I died to the very last dynamite dude in my runs. FML. Worst planned fight was Laura. I had no matches and had to shoot her with real ammo a few times. Got lucky with the furnace burns at least. Speaking of fire, the burning house was smooth. It wouldn't be bad with just flash bolts (which I could craft a dozen of), and it wasn't bad with the stuff I was carrying.

Can't wait to play some more tonight.

Chapter 6 of The Evil Within, No Upgrade run. Nightmare difficulty.

This is the last big run that I wanted to do in TEW. The default sprint is sooo horrible in this game. And the accuracy that magically misses perfect aim shots doesn't do it any favors. Been pretty much avoiding the Handgun unless it's guaranteed to hit (which... it isn't... ever... >_>).

Still, I gotta say this is kinda easy so far. I'm super limited in stock and abilities, but at least I can actually use all the weapons. There won't be an ammo shortage unless I play really bad. I even exaggerated on the stealth kills in Chapters 2 and 3. Could've left much sooner by using guns and fully restocking in the next room/level. Oh well.

Worst part was the water tank fight as usual. I hate this fight so much. Lost count of how many times I died to the very last dynamite dude in my runs. FML. Worst planned fight was Laura. I had no matches and had to shoot her with real ammo a few times. Got lucky with the furnace burns at least. Speaking of fire, the burning house was smooth. It wouldn't be bad with just flash bolts (which I could craft a dozen of), and it wasn't bad with the stuff I was carrying.

Can't wait to play some more tonight.

arkarian

2015-12-10 10:41:34 am

red chamber dream

he's not trolling opium

death is rarely represented as evil, in fact i can't think of a single piece of fiction where it is

Toozin

2015-12-10 12:46:46 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

On the D&D scale, War is True Neutral while Death skews closer to Chaotic Good. The whole point of the horseman is to be a neutral balance between heaven and hell.

Opium

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Opium: 2015-12-10 01:55:07 pm

2015-12-10 01:52:57 pm

The fourhorsemen of the apocalypse are the bringers of the destruction of mankind, they are the embodiment of mans ills - death, war, pestilence (disease), etc. They are the symbol of the end of days, suffering, apocalypse. Not sure what your definition of evil is, but delivering the destruction of all humanity is probably the most evil thing I can think of. You don't smile when you see the four horsemen coming, you get on your knees and beg for mercy. They deliver mans final judgement, and it ain't pretty at all.

arkarian

2015-12-10 01:54:59 pm

red chamber dream

i don't see that as evil at all. inevitabilities can't be evil ... only humans can

Opium

2015-12-10 01:57:19 pm

lol sure murdering billions isn't evil. got it.

Toozin

2015-12-10 01:58:11 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

They're just doing their jobs though. The apocalypse is an inevitability. In Darksiders, the horsemen aren't the manifestation of mankind's ills, they're the last of the nephilim recruited by the keepers (I think was their name? It's been a while) to carry out the task.

Toozin

2015-12-10 01:59:08 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

And the entire point of BOTH games is that it was explicitly NOT War's fault that the apocalypse was triggered early. He did his damndest to prevent it.

Opium

2015-12-10 01:59:43 pm

So in darksiders they're not the manifestation of mans ills, but they maintain the names that represent mans ills? And since it's just doing their job, it's not evil?

Toozin

2015-12-10 02:00:34 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Right, it's an inevitability of the universe. It's neutral.

Opium

2015-12-10 02:00:50 pm

He did his damndest to prevent it because he was being blamed for starting it, and it is not his place to start it, therefore it was a crime.

Toozin

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Toozin: 2015-12-10 02:01:11 pm

2015-12-10 02:00:50 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Is a tornado that kills people evil?