sucky speed run experience.

2006-01-20 02:47:52 pm

a few weeks ago i started working on a zero mission speed run, because its the easiest game (i beat it my first time through in 4 hours with only 6 energy tanks..its not excellent but its pretty good for only the second metroid game i played myself ever and the first time playing). I wanted to do it all in one segment or at the very most, two (maybe save right before mother brain, she has a tendancy to kill me). I was wicked anal about it and restarted every time I made any mistake I knew I didnt need to have made (I shut off 20 minutes of gameplay because i fell off a platform twice, thats how anal I was), and I finally got on a roll where I was even impressing myself....I got all the way to Kraid after...I dont remember, some really short amountn of time, and then someone was at the door. I raised my hand to wave them in and SOMEHOW, god I dont even know how I managed to do this, my hand moved in such a way that in one fell swoop I waved in my friend, AND caught the on/off switch on my SP and turned it right off. No saves.

I haven't picked it up since, lol. ANGRY! Shocked

aaand thats my story.

Thread title:

a few weeks ago i started working on a zero mission speed run, because its the easiest game (i beat it my first time through in 4 hours with only 6 energy tanks..its not excellent but its pretty good for only the second metroid game i played myself ever and the first time playing).  I wanted to do it all in one segment or at the very most, two (maybe save right before mother brain, she has a tendancy to kill me).  I was wicked anal about it and restarted every time I made any mistake I knew I didnt need to have made (I shut off 20 minutes of gameplay because i fell off a platform twice, thats how anal I was), and I finally got on a roll where I was even impressing myself....I got all the way to Kraid after...I dont remember, some really short amountn of time, and then someone was at the door.  I raised my hand to wave them in and SOMEHOW, god I dont even know how I managed to do this, my hand moved in such a way that in one fell swoop I waved in my friend, AND caught the on/off switch on my SP and turned it right off.  No saves.

I haven't picked it up since, lol.  ANGRY!   :shock:

aaand thats my story.

nn12000

2006-01-20 03:31:56 pm

Mister ...

ONE thing that would be nice for speed runs, ROMS AND EMULATORS, that way you can save where ever the heck your at, and save time by not using save points.

Get a PC Controller though... makes gaming easier

rain

2006-01-20 04:05:05 pm

The problem is, should you beat a record you can't submit it to the sda 'cause of the little emulator run incident a while back.

Yoshi348

2006-01-20 04:17:22 pm

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Ready and willing.

Quote from nn12000:

ONE thing that would be nice for speed runs, ROMS AND EMULATORS, that way you can save where ever the heck your at, and save time by not using save points.

Cause speed running is SUPPOSED to be easy! <_< >_>

DeathNoble

2006-01-20 04:24:31 pm

Quote from rain:

The problem is, should you beat a record you can't submit it to the sda 'cause of the little emulator run incident a while back.

Hasn't SDA never accepted emulator runs? Or did that fiasco really end all emulated runs on SDA?

arkarian

2006-01-20 04:35:33 pm

red chamber dream

SDA used to accept emulated runs. Quite awhile ago, they decided to not allow them. The recent "fiasco" did not affect what kinds of runs that SDA accepts.

Dragon Man

2006-01-20 04:40:18 pm

What is this Fiasco?

I know I sound dumb, but I'll feel dumb if I don't know what's going on.

DeathNoble

2006-01-20 04:47:16 pm

Yoshi edit: deleted information of wrongness.

Yoshi348

2006-01-20 06:09:09 pm

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Ready and willing.

Wrong fiasco, Deathnoble, although I can't say I can blame you, as the descision is a really really old one. (Metroid 2002 / Metroid HQ???)

http://www.metroid2002.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=321

Basically it's because even without fancy tools, movies can be recorded with settings that produce slow down, and on playback such slowdown is undetectable. This was especially horrid with VBA because that was before they realized the GBA can kick into high power mode.

DeathNoble

2006-01-20 06:14:42 pm

Ah, whoops. Eh, if it's older than I've been a member than yeah, I probably didn't see it. And the fact that Saturn's borg raised a lot of issues, where even Radix stepped in and added his two cents. Ah well, it is a good example of why SDA won't accept runs done emulators.

My bad on that, though.

transience

2006-01-20 09:22:46 pm

twenty eight fifty

if you want nightmare speed run stories, i have them in packs. i probably have had dreams regarding my bad luck.

PhazonInjected

2006-01-20 11:42:30 pm

Quote from transience:

if you want nightmare speed run stories, i have them in packs. i probably have had dreams regarding my bad luck.

I'd like to hear some. Actually. ^.^

nate

2006-01-21 12:46:25 am

it looks like you've attracted another girl, luke.

and go topic 321. i remember being so miserable when i made that post. i felt so dirty playing god like that, like who was i to terminate a whole bunch of runs/people just because some people were upset about it. did the people here really "elect" me to lead them, like was i legitimate, or was i just in that position by default, because i owned all the resources? if the latter was true, wasn't it my duty to terminate myself, rather than people i was illegitimately "leading"?

sda other games wasn't off the ground yet, so the entire world of metroid running could be found right here at m2k2 (see the second history block for more context), and i felt like the most eloquent people had seized me and wielded me as a tool to their end, a role i willingly played, because i have always hated those cheap knockoffs of what i considered priceless works of art. marie was really the only one yelling at me to ignore them, totally laying waste to all of the arguments i give in that post, and i was so impressed by its reasoning that i included this:

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Although it is theoretically possible to submit cheated runs based on consoles, we feel that this does not in any way allay the above listed points. There is simply too much going against emulated runs to allow them to be treated as if they were legitimate.

"too much going against"? more like too many people going against. the only thing that has prevented destructive civil wars in this community has been my stranglehold on information and iconic, invincible, inescapable authority. i terminated those people (the ones who left after the announcement) and their work for the good of the many.

and because it was supposed to be a really significant announcement, i used caps, but i was also attempting to escape my persona that people knew and liked around here like that. an 'it wasn't your friend nate who just did that' kind of thing. same reason for saying "we" and invoking metroid hq, like well, it's not just this place saying this, it's mhq and hella other people too lol! blame them, not me ...

on top of all of that, i was still recovering from that car wreck i almost died in. i had to have this list i kept on my desktop so i could remember the things i was doing yesterday, and one of those things was "kill emulation". every day i had to look at that as if for the first time and think about what kind of person i must look like to everyone, telling people what they can and cannot do, and why? because it was my "job" to tell them what to do ... even though, in reality, i was no better than they were. anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding him- or herself.

yeah, radix would have done it if i hadn't, but it still hurts every time i see that thing.

incidentally, the term 'technical demonstration' originally came about as a direct result of that post, sess's cries of "it's not a speed run!" finally being heeded following the need to call his run something other than a "run".

it looks like you've attracted another girl, luke.

and go topic 321. i remember being so miserable when i made that post. i felt so dirty playing god like that, like who was i to terminate a whole bunch of runs/people just because some people were upset about it. did the people here really "elect" me to lead them, like was i legitimate, or was i just in that position by default, because i owned all the resources? if the latter was true, wasn't it my duty to terminate myself, rather than people i was illegitimately "leading"?

sda other games wasn't off the ground yet, so the entire world of metroid running could be found right here at m2k2 (see the [url=http://www.metroid2002.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4151]second history block[/url] for more context), and i felt like the most eloquent people had seized me and wielded me as a tool to their end, a role i willingly played, because i have always hated those cheap knockoffs of what i considered priceless works of art. marie was really the only one yelling at me to ignore them, totally laying waste to all of the arguments i give in that post, and i was so impressed by its reasoning that i included this:
[quote]Although it is theoretically possible to submit cheated runs based on consoles, we feel that this does not in any way allay the above listed points. There is simply too much going against emulated runs to allow them to be treated as if they were legitimate.[/quote]
"too much going against"? more like too many people going against. the only thing that has prevented destructive civil wars in this community has been my stranglehold on information and iconic, invincible, inescapable authority. i terminated those people (the ones who left after the announcement) and their work for the good of the many.

and because it was supposed to be a really significant announcement, i used caps, but i was also attempting to escape my persona that people knew and liked around here like that. an 'it wasn't your friend nate who just did that' kind of thing. same reason for saying "we" and invoking metroid hq, like well, it's not just this place saying this, it's mhq and hella other people too lol! blame them, not me ...

on top of all of that, i was still recovering from that car wreck i almost died in. i had to have this list i kept on my desktop so i could remember the things i was doing yesterday, and one of those things was "kill emulation". every day i had to look at that as if for the first time and think about what kind of person i must look like to everyone, telling people what they can and cannot do, and why? because it was my "job" to tell them what to do ... even though, in reality, i was no better than they were. anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding him- or herself.

yeah, radix would have done it if i hadn't, but it still hurts every time i see that thing.

incidentally, the term 'technical demonstration' originally came about as a direct result of that post, sess's cries of "it's not a speed run!" finally being heeded following the need to call his run something other than a "run".

SABERinBLUE

2006-01-21 03:22:53 am

Cook of the Sea

Quote from njahnke:

incidentally, the term 'technical demonstration' originally came about as a direct result of that post, sess's cries of "it's not a speed run!" finally being heeded following the need to call his run something other than a "run".

Heh. Naming stuff is fun.

transience

2006-01-21 06:13:55 am

twenty eight fifty

and this one's older than 15, too!

well, this is probably the most famous of my screwups, but there's also this,
this, and this. if you want more, i can tell you some stories.

(the end result, of course, is this.)

edit: if you cannot tell, those were single-segment runs, from beginning to end.

PhazonInjected

2006-01-21 12:55:13 pm

I think I actually watched your run on SDA.com. I picked it because it was single segment, because I got sick of downloading games in parts. I remember it being pretty good. But I could watch those things into the night with no breaks and no blinking, so.

SABERinBLUE

2006-01-21 02:21:57 pm

Cook of the Sea

Ah, you and me have something in common.

transience

2006-01-21 04:37:02 pm

twenty eight fifty

i am told that high-quality videos fix that problem.

nate

2006-01-21 07:04:58 pm

hahahah. that took me a second.

Chanoire

2006-01-22 12:38:06 am

Quote from SABERinBLUE:

Heh. Naming stuff is fun.

Maybe we need to come up with a name for those posts by nate on the agony and soul-searching of being a reluctant leader. Emo-nate, or something.

=)

ajbolt89

2006-01-22 12:54:46 am

lol no way

Actually, though, I had no idea that was even so big of a deal... granted, I was (and remain, really) only a console runner, so I didn't really have any idea at all of the whole scope of the issue. At the time, I was like "Yeah, makes sense, gotta do it I guess." But wow, I didn't know that it had caused you that much personal strife, Nate... well, like you said, someone's got to do it I guess. There's no way to justify finding fault in feeling guilty for something like this just by stating that someone has to do it, though. Just like how I felt bad when I beat Scarlet's record on mzm... like, really bad, because she was my friend and she wanted me to beat it but she'd also worked hard and I was like "ohnoes I'm a dickhead"... and so on.

13M13

2006-01-22 12:56:16 am

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Chanoire

2006-01-22 01:29:53 am

Quote from ajbolt89:

There's no way to justify finding fault in feeling guilty for something like this just by stating that someone has to do it, though.

I've read this sentence several times and still can't figure out what it means.

ajbolt89

2006-01-22 01:41:54 am

lol no way

When you uh, read the sentence before it, I talk about how "well, someone has to do it..."
Basically, you can't justify finding fault in nate's feeling bad about it (like, for example, "Hey, don't feel bad man, someone has to do it!", which implies he's in the wrong by feeling bad) by stating that, well... someone has to do it. So I'm basically saying "Don't worry about it Nate, we understand, because we can't possibly say that you're at fault by feeling guilty."
I'm really proud of that sentence. So awesome and understandable when you look at the little bits, but so confusing at the same time... god I love stuff like that.

Chanoire

2006-01-22 02:10:13 am

So...if we're not finding fault in his feeling guilty, doesn't that mean we think it's the right thing for him to feel guilty?