Speed Trick / Sequence Break supertopic (spoilers)

2007-12-30 07:00:37 pm

Anywhere, everywhere

Quote from kip:

reading the olympus topic just has me wondering if people have tried to skip the first tank, and if so, what method did you use.

The way I've been trying is performing this trick and then getting into a secret world in docking bay 5, but nothing's been found yet.

kip

2008-01-11 03:16:07 am

Skip morph ball ridley.. new?

http://files.filefront.com/cargo+dock+cavi/;9415467;/fileinfo.html

So basically the tube in that room is weird/glitchy. If you do a lot of spring jumping you'll notice sometimes you can briefly land on it and spring jump again, sometimes it can happen several times in a row (I've got a vid of me doing like 3 spring jumps among other things).

It's really random whether it works. It's not like geo without boost or anything, but without a more consistent method there's not much point in doing it (unless someone has plans for a segmented run and doesn't mind some frustration). You can land on it at just about any height though so that's nice.. the vid I posted is not even a decent attempt but I got up anyway because I landed near the top.

I'm not sure if you can get up without "landing" on the tube. I think you can, and I tried many different things but it's kinda hard to nail down a good way. I don't know if I'll mess with it again anytime soon because I have other stuff to work on. If I did, it would only be for others' sake, but dunno if anyone even cares about speed in this game..

Skip morph ball ridley.. new?

http://files.filefront.com/cargo+dock+cavi/;9415467;/fileinfo.html

So basically the tube in that room is weird/glitchy. If you do a lot of spring jumping you'll notice sometimes you can briefly land on it and spring jump again, sometimes it can happen several times in a row (I've got a vid of me doing like 3 spring jumps among other things).

It's really random whether it works. It's not like geo without boost or anything, but without a more consistent method there's not much point in doing it (unless someone has plans for a segmented run and doesn't mind some frustration). You can land on it at just about any height though so that's nice.. the vid I posted is not even a decent attempt but I got up anyway because I landed near the top.

I'm not sure if you can get up without "landing" on the tube. I think you can, and I tried many different things but it's kinda hard to nail down a good way. I don't know if I'll mess with it again anytime soon because I have other stuff to work on. If I did, it would only be for others' sake, but dunno if anyone even cares about speed in this game..

tjp7154

2008-01-11 10:59:10 am

Bananas GOOD, Kremlings BAD

Ah man, I can't BELIEVE you actually got that to work. I'd been trying that like, forever!

Nice job!

Yeah, it's new.

nate

2008-01-11 11:02:12 am

wow. awesome. wonder if people will use this in their runs.

DJGrenola

2008-01-11 12:19:52 pm

Quote from kip:

dunno if anyone even cares about speed in this game..

one vote for caring about speed in this game

Aruki

2008-01-11 02:32:47 pm

Now that is awesome. Great work. :D

I'll mess around with it at some point in the future and see if I can get it down consistently enough to use in my run.

arkarian

2008-01-11 09:27:11 pm

red chamber dream

Quote from DJGrenola:

Quote from kip:

dunno if anyone even cares about speed in this game..

one vote for caring about speed in this game

I definitely care too; I just have no motivation to speed run myself. Am eager to see an any%... why a Normal or Veteran any% hasn't been everyone's top priority from the start is beyond me. Enough of this Hyper difficulty crap–– I want to see a standard run first.

Aruki

2008-01-11 11:27:59 pm

Quote from Arkarian:

why a Normal or Veteran any% hasn't been everyone's top priority from the start is beyond me. Enough of this Hyper difficulty crap–– I want to see a standard run first.

personally I just do runs of what I'm interested in doing runs of. I was more interested in doing a 22% hyper than an any% segmented, so I did. Wouldn't surprise me if an any% was at least started at some point in the next couple months though.

Also, you don't have to watch my run the second it goes up (assuming it does anytime soon); you can just wait for an any% to be done first.

craztad

2008-01-11 11:47:52 pm

kyupi+yakisoba=win

Quote from Arkarian:

I definitely care too; I just have no motivation to speed run myself. Am eager to see an any%... why a Normal or Veteran any% hasn't been everyone's top priority from the start is beyond me. Enough of this Hyper difficulty crap–– I want to see a standard run first.

ahem...A normal any% run is already in the works. Goal sub 2:25. And any% normal was my priority from the start. I guess i just get forgot about sometimes.

Aruki

2008-01-12 12:32:27 am

You ARE going to be doing the any% segmented normal then? Good news, I look forward to seeing it. You were just unclear about whether you intended to do another run or if you were done after the test run and wanted to leave it as a reference for someone else who might want to do a real run.

logitechSDAZ

2008-01-12 01:00:30 am

Awesome job Kip :D

DJGrenola

2008-01-12 02:46:13 am

Quote from craztad:

Quote from Arkarian:

I definitely care too; I just have no motivation to speed run myself. Am eager to see an any%... why a Normal or Veteran any% hasn't been everyone's top priority from the start is beyond me. Enough of this Hyper difficulty crap–– I want to see a standard run first.

ahem...A normal any% run is already in the works. Goal sub 2:25. And any% normal was my priority from the start. I guess i just get forgot about sometimes.

yeah, I didn't know whether you intended to do a proper one afterwards or not. That's good. Means I can stick to being the prime 2 specialist.

craztad

2008-01-12 03:02:33 am

kyupi+yakisoba=win

no by all means go for it DJ, im just getting impatient with no one else going for it. My test run was really just for a reference for other speed runners and now i guess its just a reference for me, how sad. I really didnt plan on doing another any%, i planned on doing a 100% sub 3:10, but impatience is getting the best of me even though i would much rather just run prime 1.

DJGrenola

2008-01-12 06:42:48 am

It sounds like we're in the same boat then. I just want a run done by someone ! I have no practice at any of the tricks in prime 3 though, so it would take me some time and probably a test run of my own to get up to speed on them. Where's sparky when you need him ?

AngerFist

2008-01-12 09:37:38 am

Quote from DJGrenola:

Where's sparky when you need him ?

Retired and sippin that gin and juice.

Fano7

2008-01-12 09:56:20 am

Every Bit Counts

Quote from DJGrenola:

Where's sparky when you need him ?

hideing

Prime Hunter

2008-01-12 10:09:02 am

Quote from craztad:

im just getting impatient with no one else going for it.

Well, I haven't played Metroid for nearly three months now I think: Last time I played was at the end of October where I did a 100% Hypermode run.

If I really felt like it, I could probably pull out the game again this weekend and give it another whirl just to see how much I rememeber, but I'm not really in a condition where I could give a lot of attention to the game and try to make a serious run right now. Besides, I'm still not sure I could even get my run recorded at this point, so it'd just be for testing/comparison purposes like always.

I've never tried to make a serious speed run up until this point, at least one I'd consider worthy of being recorded that is. Last I knew I was barely above the three hour mark on my any% normal run, which as far as I know is still pretty high up there in terms of what I've seen for most completion times. (High up as in one of the better times - 3:06 I think it was.)

[quote="craztad"]
im just getting impatient with no one else going for it.[/quote]

Well, I haven't played Metroid for nearly three months now I think: Last time I played was at the end of October where I did a 100% Hypermode run.

If I really felt like it, I could probably pull out the game again this weekend and give it another whirl just to see how much I rememeber, but I'm not really in a condition where I could give a lot of attention to the game and try to make a serious run right now. Besides, I'm still not sure I could even get my run recorded at this point, so it'd just be for testing/comparison purposes like always.

I've never tried to make a serious speed run up until this point, at least one I'd consider worthy of being recorded that is. Last I knew I was barely above the three hour mark on my any% normal run, which as far as I know is still pretty high up there in terms of what I've seen for most completion times. (High up as in one of the better times - 3:06 I think it was.)

Aruki

Edit history:

Aruki: 2008-01-12 08:00:40 pm

2008-01-12 07:43:24 pm

Quote from craztad:

im just getting impatient with no one else going for it. My test run was really just for a reference for other speed runners and now i guess its just a reference for me, how sad. I really didnt plan on doing another any%, i planned on doing a 100% sub 3:10, but impatience is getting the best of me even though i would much rather just run prime 1.

I guess I can give it a shot if you want. I was considering doing it a while ago, but I didn't know if you were already doing it. If I did do this run, I'd probably finish it before continuing work on the SS just for the practice.

kip

2008-01-12 08:07:41 pm

http://files.filefront.com/cargo+dock+attemptavi/;9425654;/fileinfo.html

.. so about the whole "getting up without landing" thing, this is a vid showing 2 of my best attempts. It's from the same day's footage as the other vid so maybe I could do it if I tried it now (knowing at least there's no invisible wall at the top or something like that).

The method used is like this: roll a bit from the left, put a bomb just before falling then immediately spring jump, putting another bomb at the peak. Spring jump when you land into both bombs. As you can see, I got very close both times but no dice.. that's why I said I wasn't sure it's possible without landing. But I think it is, maybe I just needed to put in a third bomb somewhere.. maybe to "catch" me on the way down.

The problem with this method is that a lot of times, the game won't let you spring jump right away when you land after setting those 2 bombs. I think this is because the morph ball gets stunned or something after falling a certain distance, it doesn't really happen if you fall without spring jumping. I've tried holding Z and other stuff and didn't notice a difference.. but still, landing on the tube is so unreliable right now that I really hope this is possible.

I might try this again soon.. dunno. But until somebody gets a good method (or at least does it without landing), we need to keep talking about it.

http://files.filefront.com/cargo+dock+attemptavi/;9425654;/fileinfo.html

.. so about the whole "getting up without landing" thing, this is a vid showing 2 of my best attempts. It's from the same day's footage as the other vid so maybe I could do it if I tried it now (knowing at least there's no invisible wall at the top or something like that).

The method used is like this: roll a bit from the left, put a bomb [i]just[/i] before falling then immediately spring jump, putting another bomb at the peak. Spring jump when you land into both bombs. As you can see, I got very close both times but no dice.. that's why I said I wasn't sure it's possible without landing. But I think it is, maybe I just needed to put in a third bomb somewhere.. maybe to "catch" me on the way down.

The problem with this method is that a lot of times, the game won't let you spring jump right away when you land after setting those 2 bombs. I think this is because the morph ball gets stunned or something after falling a certain distance, it doesn't really happen if you fall without spring jumping. I've tried holding Z and other stuff and didn't notice a difference.. but still, landing on the tube is so unreliable right now that I really hope this is possible.

I might try this again soon.. dunno. But until somebody gets a good method (or at least does it without landing), we need to keep talking about it.

Aruki

2008-01-12 08:09:53 pm

When the morph ball gets sorta stuck on the edge of the tunnel at the top for a second, have you tried doing another spring jump?

kip

2008-01-12 08:25:03 pm

I think so, but can't remember for sure.

I think another bomb might be needed. But hard to say where it should go.. it would be cool if you can put it somewhere between the others and actually hit, getting a 4 level jump (well more like 3.5).

Aruki

2008-01-12 08:27:29 pm

Problem is that one-bomb-only-in-midair thing, so we only have one to work with. :/

kip

2008-01-12 08:37:35 pm

lol.. watch the second attempt by frame. The bomb I hit wasn't even the one I set at the peak, it was the other one (cuz I mashed). Maybe all I had to do was hit the top one.

I really wish I had more slots here, I'm going to have to put off the gel refinery missile to try this again. But that's ok, this is more important, everyone knows about that missile already, it's just not on the site itself yet..

craztad

2008-01-12 09:22:33 pm

kyupi+yakisoba=win

Quote from Paraxade:

Quote from craztad:

im just getting impatient with no one else going for it. My test run was really just for a reference for other speed runners and now i guess its just a reference for me, how sad. I really didnt plan on doing another any%, i planned on doing a 100% sub 3:10, but impatience is getting the best of me even though i would much rather just run prime 1.

I guess I can give it a shot if you want. I was considering doing it a while ago, but I didn't know if you were already doing it. If I did do this run, I'd probably finish it before continuing work on the SS just for the practice.

Actually paraxade, i would rather you do your 22% hyper run cause i still think that will be far more amazing then a normal run. I will do the normal run if you keep trying the hyper run.

Aruki

2008-01-12 09:23:38 pm

Quote from craztad:

Quote from Paraxade:

Quote from craztad:

im just getting impatient with no one else going for it. My test run was really just for a reference for other speed runners and now i guess its just a reference for me, how sad. I really didnt plan on doing another any%, i planned on doing a 100% sub 3:10, but impatience is getting the best of me even though i would much rather just run prime 1.

I guess I can give it a shot if you want. I was considering doing it a while ago, but I didn't know if you were already doing it. If I did do this run, I'd probably finish it before continuing work on the SS just for the practice.

Actually paraxade, i would rather you do your 22% hyper run cause i still think that will be far more amazing then a normal run. I will do the normal run if you keep trying the hyper run.

I meant I'd do it in addition to the 22% hyper.