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Roy
2004-03-14 04:59:52 am
look,when you lose your equipment in MP,you have to recover YOUR equipment,so the varia suit,morph ball, bombs,15 missiles,and the charge beam

but you also find graity suit,phazon suit,wave beam,ice beam,grapple beam,plasma beam,power bombs+expansions,missile expansions so you can carry 250 missiles,space jump,...

now its weird,HOW do the parts come there??

i think retro should show us WHY the parts are there

any oppinions?
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fractic
2004-03-14 06:42:10 am
it's obvious they are little parts of code. They have allways been on the disk. Sometimes a boolean turns true and you have access to them. Isn't it amazing? [/lameness]

Isn't it the powersuit idea? It can adept and upgrade. It makes tons of sense that there are upgrades in chozo ruins and phendrana becuase of the chozo's there. And in magmoor and the mines the pirates are very active. Maybe the suit can use their data in someway. But i don't think we'll ever get an official explanation
PhazonMetroid
2004-03-14 07:53:42 am
Perhpas Samus hacks into their Data to upload their weapons? Thats always something to think about. Maybe that's what the Space Pirates are trying to do, because on one of the Pirate Data, it says "We find the Morph Ball very fasinating". I'm not sure quite what else it said. But thats my theary
Metroid Prime
2004-03-14 01:35:03 pm
Another thing is the little energy capsules.  I have an opinion about both things.

Upgrades:  I think the Chozo left these items behind for moments when Samus needed these most.  Spares, of which Samus might need.

Energy:  The Space Pirates implanted these in creatures and themselves to do tests.  After the enemies are defeated, the energy would be released.
Syl
2004-03-14 02:49:08 pm
quoting myself from the metroid queen thread:
Quote:
after reading the metroid E-manga, it shed some light on metroids, and on samus' suit.

Alright, in prime, as you just mentioned, the energy that metroids feed on has no physical manifestation, yet every enemy has it.

Now, this is just a theory thats heaviy supported by the e-manga, but it appears like this:

Every creature has a certain type of energy in it, it starts with "A" i don't have the translated manga with me at the moment, so i can't find the exact name

Anyway, when you kill an enemy with the power suit, the little glowing energy LEFT BEHIND is this "A" and the chozo technology allows samus to absorb it into her suit to make energy.

The same chozo technology is what allows metroids to DRAIN this "A" out of enemies before they die (killing them in the process)
Samus suit and metroids are running off of the SAME EXACT ENERGY. I don't think that you can see it without samus' visor though, and for some stupid reason in zero mission, the space pirates didn't drop any.

..think about it.

Bout the upgrades, i haven't really thought of a great explanation for those yet.
skynes
2004-03-14 05:06:23 pm
Samus' Power Suit was made SPECIFICALLY for Samus using Ancient chozo technology.

It is assumed that although her suit is unique to her the technology is not. It is CHOZO technology. I figure that EVERY world that the Chozo have lived on have bits of universal Chozo technology like the Varia suit and Gravity suit.

It's not specifically for Samus but is compatible with ALL Chozo based Power Suits.
PhazonMetroid
2004-03-14 05:09:47 pm
I don't get how the "Fusion Suit" works. It was oringinally the Power Suit made by Chozos yet, when the X infected her, it still runs the same... I'm wondering, can Chozo's see into the future or something?
skynes
2004-03-14 05:12:24 pm
It didn't quite run the same, Samus lost ALL the abilities granted my her armour. Her health, Varia and Grav suits, Missiles, Morph Ball the LOT was gone!

All the future powers were purely biological based.
PhazonMetroid
2004-03-14 05:16:16 pm
Perhaps, but they still managed to work the same as if she still had the Power Suit.
skynes
2004-03-14 05:19:00 pm
No they couldn't.

The power suit was mostly cut off.

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theory:

The X mimic a host and ALL aspects of it.

MAYBE This genetic sharing is universal. We've all killed an enemy only for the X to turn into something TOTALLY different.

Maybe EVERY X on the station has the genetic info of ALL the X (they did start out in few numbers)

The Core-X you absorb may possess the genetic data, not just of the enemy you beat, but also of the SA-X. Allowing you absorb the power EXACTLY as it would be in the SA-X

comments anyone?
DominicanZero
2004-03-14 07:00:14 pm
直死の魔眼使い
What about the powers and upgrades downloaded by the X in several ocassions (I think)? IIRC, the Grav Suit, and the expansion missiles were gained from Core-Xs that downloaded and processed the data biologically... :?
Sarah
2004-03-14 08:09:50 pm
Quote from MMcLean54:
Energy:  The Space Pirates implanted these in creatures and themselves to do tests.  After the enemies are defeated, the energy would be released.


I think people tend to overthink this stuff sometimes XD  But whatever floats your cloud.
fractic
2004-03-15 02:24:51 am
Quote from Sarah:
Quote from MMcLean54:
Energy:  The Space Pirates implanted these in creatures and themselves to do tests.  After the enemies are defeated, the energy would be released.


I think people tend to overthink this stuff sometimes XD  But whatever floats your cloud.


yeah probably. But it's not a bad idea to look for some explanation.
skynes
2004-03-15 06:23:22 am
Quote from DominicanZero:
What about the powers and upgrades downloaded by the X in several ocassions (I think)? IIRC, the Grav Suit, and the expansion missiles were gained from Core-Xs that downloaded and processed the data biologically... :?


This actually supports my argument.

If all Chozo tech - Varia, Grav, missiles etc. Are all biological based weaponry then of COURSE the X can absorb and mimic it. Hence how the SA-X can mimic ALL of Samus' powers - Her powers are bio-tech.

Command had difficulty making Samus upgrades for her suit. but they did it. They were bio based also.
SABERinBLUE
2004-03-15 10:04:46 am
Cook of the Sea
Well, it says in Prime's Lore that they would "leave their weapons behind for the day when the warrior would come as the seers have prophecied" or something to that effect.  That explains the convienient presence of Items in every single Metroid game where Samus was on an ex-Chozo planet, and Fusion explains itself.  However, aside from the first Metroid and Fusion, Prime it really the only one to my knowledge that adequtely explains why Saus starts the main part of her mission with nothing.  Granted that She shouldn't have the Grapple Beam and she should have the Gravity Suit and all the Beams and Power Bombs and Super Missles like at the end of Zero Mission, but I'm willing to chalk that up to a need for a good in-store demo.
The Last Metroid
2004-03-15 11:20:31 am
Quote from Saber in Blue:
Granted that She shouldn't have the Grapple Beam...


On Metroid 2002, Samus is our Jesus.
SABERinBLUE
2004-03-15 12:18:41 pm
Cook of the Sea
Quote from The Last Metroid:
Quote from Saber in Blue:
Granted that She shouldn't have the Grapple Beam...


On Metroid 2002, Samus is our Jesus.


Hee hee...  Alright, fine, I sometimes capitalize in odd places.  Now watch helplessly as this Emoticon savagely wiggles its Upper Lip at You!  Feel my Wrath!  Laughing
skynes
2004-03-15 12:43:25 pm
Quote from The Last Metroid:

On Metroid 2002, Samus is our Jesus.



BURN THE HERETIC!!!!

lol
Eruditious
2004-03-15 12:49:03 pm
This isn't any deep thinking as to why you start off each game without any upgrades:

The programs don't know what upgrades you had when you beat the previous installment (chronologically, of course)

ZM is right before Prime... One person could go 100% and another could do 15%... how would they (the programmers) assimilate that into the games?
Toozin
2004-03-15 12:50:03 pm
Not impossible
just highly unlikely
Quote from Eruditious:
how would they (the programmers) assimilate that into the games?

Link cable.
Eruditious
2004-03-15 12:54:42 pm
Quote from Toozin:
Quote from Eruditious:
how would they (the programmers) assimilate that into the games?

Link cable.

And Super Metroid?

And how would they know what items would be available in a game that doesnt exist? (talking about ZM while they were making Prime)
I doubt that they knew exactly what they were going to put in ZM while Prime was still in the making itself.

Now, they could do a re-release of Prime and add those fearures.  But  what about incosistancies... like power bombs.  You can get a lot more power bombs in ZM (on normal) than Prime.  And what about Screw Attack, Speed Boost.  and High Jump... will those just disappear?
Toozin
2004-03-15 12:55:35 pm
Not impossible
just highly unlikely
I know all that. You just asked how and I told you.  :P
skynes
2004-03-15 12:56:27 pm
It could be that some enhancements are permanent - Varia suit, Missile etc.

Some enhancements could only be temporary, a short term boost - Hyper Beam, Speed Booster whatever.
SABERinBLUE
2004-03-15 01:14:56 pm
Cook of the Sea
I think it's an aspect of the game that the developers thought gamers like us would just brush off as just "one of those things" and concentrate our energy on actually playing the game but...

Naah. 

It's more fun to speculate!  Yay for Speculation!  :D
DominicanZero
2004-03-15 02:57:57 pm
直死の魔眼使い
Quote from skynes:
Quote from DominicanZero:
What about the powers and upgrades downloaded by the X in several ocassions (I think)? IIRC, the Grav Suit, and the expansion missiles were gained from Core-Xs that downloaded and processed the data biologically... :?


This actually supports my argument.

If all Chozo tech - Varia, Grav, missiles etc. Are all biological based weaponry then of COURSE the X can absorb and mimic it. Hence how the SA-X can mimic ALL of Samus' powers - Her powers are bio-tech.

Command had difficulty making Samus upgrades for her suit. but they did it. They were bio based also.

Point is, dude, that's a BIG "if".

But as far as we know, it hasn't been stated to be like that. As far as common knowledge goes, the suit somehow interacts directly with Samus' brain, and reacts accordingly. But all the upgrades given to it are simply mechanical parts to which the suit adapts to use. In Fusion, it was a different case - Command HQ designed her suit from scratch after the X attacked her, thus they knew the full capabilities of that suit; after all, they were the people who made it.