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arkarian

2016-02-25 10:14:13 pm

red chamber dream

i feel like co would go for clinton though

Opium

2016-02-26 10:20:20 am

Gosh I really hope you're wrong

arkarian

2016-02-26 10:39:19 am

red chamber dream

i definitely think she's going to win the nomination regardless, so it doesn't really matter what we do

Opium

2016-02-26 10:54:13 am

When any candidate wins the nomination then it has everything to do with what we do, or don't do. It's not something that we just sit back and watch some uncontrollable, unseen forces shape for us. The candidates win the nomination because of the people, as in us.

arkarian

2016-02-26 11:36:32 am

red chamber dream

i meant we as in colorado

we have absolutely no say in what other states do, so yeah, we just have to sit back and watch

Opium

2016-02-26 02:01:44 pm

I was talking about the caucus in colorado. Of course a citizen can't participate in other states' caucuses or primaries.

arkarian

2016-02-26 02:49:11 pm

red chamber dream

i know what you were talking about ...

arkarian

2016-02-26 02:49:57 pm

red chamber dream

i think hill is going to win the national nomination regardless of what co does, so i don't care about the co caucus

Opium

2016-02-26 02:55:26 pm

The system doesn't work if people think that way, though

Opium

2016-02-26 02:57:27 pm

Then we end up getting a candidate that isn't supported by the majority. Instead, we get a candidate that's supported by the majority who don't suffer from apathy.

arkarian

2016-02-26 03:02:10 pm

red chamber dream

yeah i agree it's sad

but that's the way america works lol

arkarian

2016-02-26 03:03:41 pm

red chamber dream

plus i don't want to register as a democrat, so i couldn't possibly ever vote in a primary anyway

arkarian

2016-02-26 03:04:14 pm

red chamber dream

don't really care who the dems nominate

Toozin

2016-02-26 03:04:33 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

We don't really get to choose the candidate anyway. Just because they get more of the popular vote doesn't mean they'll win, because of dumb shenanigans.

arkarian

2016-02-26 03:06:35 pm

red chamber dream

yeah lol

and if americans really want change, they need to do it in congress

the president doesn't really matter all that much these days, except for s. court noms

arkarian

2016-02-26 03:07:35 pm

red chamber dream

and apparently not even for those! lololol

arkarian

2016-02-26 03:09:29 pm

red chamber dream

like even if trump won, i wouldn't care. it's not like he (or sanders, for that matter) would actually be able to do any of the things they're talking about

i'm starting to think clinton might be the best option just for compromise's sake

Opium

Edit history:

Opium: 2016-02-26 03:19:26 pm

2016-02-26 03:18:38 pm

Yeah none the candidates that have ideas which are considered to be bold or even radical ever get to do everything they wanted to do, but they often manage to do some things that are along the same lines of intent. Trump doesn't even have any intention of doing most of the shit he says he will do, he just wants to win. Sanders would be stymied and stonewalled at every turn but he might be able to get us on the right path, even if it's a million miles long. I don't believe Clinton would do much of anything. Everything would continue the way it is - heading downward. Hell, I'd rather see Trump win vs. Clinton. At least with Trump it wouldn't be business as usual. We need major change now.

Opium

2016-02-26 03:23:14 pm

There's one thing that Trump and Sanders have in common: they're both upset about the state of things and want to change things. To me, Clinton just doesn't seem to be concerned.

arkarian

2016-02-26 03:24:11 pm

red chamber dream

yeah agreed, i really like sanders and would definitely vote for him

if he won it would at least send a message to congress, which is probably the best goal

Opium

Edit history:

Opium: 2016-02-26 03:28:03 pm

2016-02-26 03:27:49 pm

Well you can't vote for Sanders if he doesn't get the nomination, and he won't get the nomination if people don't show support at caucus. I couldn't give two shits about the democratic party, but I have to register in the party if I want to participate. I'll take the lesser of evils vs. nothing.

Opium

2016-02-26 03:31:16 pm

Watch me say all this shit and not go because I don't feel well. I never feel well any more.

Idkbutlike2

2016-02-26 06:37:23 pm

So what I'm getting from this is that it doesn't matter who gets elected because if it's some pro-establishment candidate it'll be business as usual and if it's an anti-establishment candidate, most of their ideas are either gonna get shut down or reduced to mangled compromises in Congress. Is that the gist of it?

arkarian

2016-02-26 06:53:10 pm

red chamber dream

pretty much. i mean, do you disagree? lol

arkarian

2016-02-26 06:53:36 pm

red chamber dream

change in this country doesn't happen over four years, it happens over decades