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the stats i see always specifically state "for women in the same position, same experience, etc"
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i've literally never seen one report that doesn't specify that, because it would make no sense, just like you said
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the stats i see always specifically state "for women in the same position, same experience, etc"

In a lot of analyses of statistics like that, I've seen lots of people point to the fact that women tend to work less hours on average despite everything else being generally equal.
Even the most liberal news source I can find admits it's a myth.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html
I didn't know there was anyone left who still believed this.  It's been torn apart a million times.  It simply isn't true.
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ah well if it's only a few cents now then i guess that's not so bad

i don't exactly trust huffpo for ... anything, though lol
One shall stand, one shall ball.
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no, the stats i see always specifically state "for women in the same position, same experience, etc"

that's the whole problem lol

See in California we were getting around that nonsense by shuffling titles around! Very efficient, hopefully none of the assistant sub directors of efficiency management resource delivery responsible for the idea got a raise for that or payroll's gonna jump now that they closed that loophole! 
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lol yeah, i'm sure there's still all kinds of crap like that

i don't really know though, i've only worked at tech companies where actually finding women engineers is the problem, not paying them
Another crazy thing is that women ASK for less pay than men.  Men are more likely to negotiate higher pay for themselves, while women tend to just take what they can get and smile.
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yeah, now that i see as totally fair haha
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you're not going to get it unless you ask for it
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even if you're a man
I'm trying to get my sweetie to do that now.  He's underpaid (who isn't these days), but he's also afraid to ask for more money.  I keep telling him to ask for a big raise, and the worst that can happen is they say no.  Regardless, the fact that he asked will plant a seed, esp if he says he NEEDS a raise, not he WANTS a raise.  He tells me about how other people are making more money for the same work with other employers, and I tell him that they already know that but they're not paying him more because he's not asking for it.  I don't ride him about it, I'm just trying to increase his confidence so he'll ask.
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i have a big problem with that too, the confidence thing
One shall stand, one shall ball.
Unfortunately the way things are now the risk of losing the job cause your boss is a shit can outweigh the potential benefit. Makes it hard to trust yourself on that sort of thing. :/
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yeah, i definitely don't think he should just ask for a raise willy nilly. has he done anything to earn it?
I'm about to get an annual increase.  Last year my boss was so excited to tell me she was giving me 25 more cents an hour.  I was unmoved.  I'll take it, but I'm not going to have a fucking party over it.  I'll probably get 10 cents this time.
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remember that it doesn't matter how much you think you're worth, the only thing that matters is how much your company thinks you're worth
He's definitely earned one. 
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he should ask his manager why he doesn't think he's worth more, then
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(to quote steve jobs)
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Opium: 2016-01-21 05:48:34 pm
He works an average of 50 hours a week, not including the times when he gets a call at 2am and has to get out of bed and fix something remotely for the next three hours, then go back to bed for 1 hour, then get up and go to work for 10 hours.
If I'm not mistaken, a law is about to pass that means all salary employees who make less than 50k per year will need to be paid overtime for anything beyond 40 hours.  That should force them to give him a raise.
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does everyone else in similar positions work that much too?
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if so then he doesn't deserve a raise (according to the company)
No, he's always the only one in the office when I call him and ask him when he thinks he'll be home.