social topic

tomatobob

2015-04-29 09:30:35 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

Yeah there kind of isn't unless you can kick a couple million to about 400 people.

arkarian

2015-04-29 09:31:54 pm

red chamber dream

yeah i think it would work fine if the districts were actually fair

the problem is the people can't vote to change the districts, because the districts aren't fair

;(

tomatobob

2015-04-29 09:32:00 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

I mean it's very worth noting that these places where we're seeing these riots are largely minority populations but represented by a lot of white people somehow.

arkarian

2015-04-29 09:32:08 pm

red chamber dream

yeah imagine that

arkarian

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arkarian: 2015-04-29 09:34:06 pm

2015-04-29 09:33:17 pm

red chamber dream

well, i think it's more that all the minorities in any given area are grouped into the same district, so their votes don't really mean anything

that's if they're even allowed to vote, because voting isn't a right here even though we say it is

arkarian

2015-04-29 09:34:31 pm

red chamber dream

i mean that's true of all our "rights" though lol

tomatobob

2015-04-29 09:35:40 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

Quote from arkarian:

well, i think it's more that all the minorities in any given area are grouped into the same district, so their votes don't really mean anything

That's what I was getting at. ;)

Quote from arkarian:

yeah i think it would work fine if the districts were actually fair

the problem is the people can't vote to change the districts, because the districts aren't fair

You would also have to undo the distrust that's built up over the years in these communities, though to get them voting at all. So that's fun.

arkarian

2015-04-29 09:36:15 pm

red chamber dream

yeah that too, of course not voting is probably the biggest problem of all

tomatobob

2015-04-29 09:38:20 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

On the whole I guess I'm still somehow mystified by how hard it apparently is to just be decent to people. Granted I'm at heart a dumbshit idealist, but it really isn't that hard to just not be a shit.

arkarian

2015-04-29 09:39:03 pm

red chamber dream

it's because money is really, really cool

arkarian

2015-04-29 09:40:24 pm

red chamber dream

and you only live once, and fuck if you're not going to enjoy it even if others suffer sometimes

that's basically it, and i think everyone can relate to that whether they admit it or not

arkarian

2015-04-29 09:40:45 pm

red chamber dream

then the problem would be people's inability to control that part of themselves, lol

tomatobob

2015-04-29 09:45:33 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

Quote from arkarian:

it's because money is really, really cool

I wouldn't know! :v

But yeah I guess it's that last bit that gets me. Basic self control isn't too hard, you'd think anyway.

arkarian

2015-04-29 10:03:39 pm

red chamber dream

i think different people struggle with it in different ways

tomatobob

2015-04-29 10:08:00 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

Everyone should do what I do and resign themselves to being shit forever. Clear that right up!

arkarian

2015-04-29 10:30:35 pm

red chamber dream

i approve of that strategy

DJGrenola

2015-04-30 05:44:22 am

it seems to have become my ideology also, although it wasn't planned

ryu

2015-04-30 06:10:31 am

same for me lol

Opium

2015-04-30 09:58:15 am

I'm not sure If I believe blacks have had it much worse than gays. Gays have been persecuted in western culture ever since Constantine made christianity to official religion of the Roman Empire, and in the middle east even before that, so that's a very long time. Blacks have never been disowned by their families and communities for being black. There weren't any safe havens for gays until quite recently. For centuries gay people have had to live in secret in fear of being caught and executed. Black people don't have to listen to their own parents tell them how they're worthless and wish they'd never had them, or their church telling them that they will burn in hell for being black.
I remember a black man discussing this issue say, "But gay people can hide the fact that they're gay." To which was replied,"Would you ever want to hide the fact that you're black?". People who hide their homosexuality live in a prison where they're afraid and very unhappy. The ability to hide it is no gift.
One could come up with a million differences between what the two minorities have had to deal with, but it seems like most people who instantly say that blacks have had it worse only think of gay people as the ones they see getting married on tv, or know a lot of black history but nothing about gay history.

I'm not sure If I believe blacks have had it much worse than gays.  Gays have been persecuted in western culture ever since Constantine made christianity to official religion of the Roman Empire, and in the middle east even before that, so that's a very long time. Blacks have never been disowned by their families and communities for being black.  There weren't any safe havens for gays until quite recently.  For centuries gay people have had to live in secret in fear of being caught and executed. Black people don't have to listen to their own parents tell them how they're worthless and wish they'd never had them, or their church telling them that they will burn in hell for being black.
I remember a black man discussing this issue say, "But gay people can hide the fact that they're gay."  To which was replied,"Would you ever want to hide the fact that you're black?". People who hide their homosexuality live in a prison where they're afraid and very unhappy. The ability to hide it is no gift.
One could come up with a million differences between what the two minorities have had to deal with, but it seems like most people who instantly say that blacks have had it worse only think of gay people as the ones they see getting married on tv, or know a lot of black history but nothing about gay history.

arkarian

2015-04-30 10:09:35 am

red chamber dream

it's not a gift but it's better to be able to hide it if you need to

just ask the jews in germany >_>