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2010-09-12 09:07:44 am

Chooser of the Slain

It's only a term, to let people easily spot the difference between a big budget development and a self-financed project.

Idkbutlike2

2010-09-12 09:24:53 am

Quote from ryu:

Quote from DynaDASH:

But ¿do you find the term derogative or something? ¿belittleling?

nah, just stupid as I don't even consider indie games to be a genre.

They're not a genre, but they are a classification. Now, what that type of classification is called is beyond me.

ryu

2010-09-12 09:28:14 am

Quote from Idkbutlike2:

Quote from ryu:

Quote from DynaDASH:

But ¿do you find the term derogative or something? ¿belittleling?

nah, just stupid as I don't even consider indie games to be a genre.

They're not a genre, but they are a classification. Now, what that type of classification is called is beyond me.

yeah but why that classification? a videogame is a videogame, no matter who developed it.

Idkbutlike2

2010-09-12 09:43:10 am

Because indie games are distributed in a slightly different fashion than normal games are.

ryu

2010-09-12 10:05:16 am

But they have always been around. Why's this term suddenly there?

Cpadolf

2010-09-12 10:36:21 am

Almost happy

It's the same with movies and music, nowadays you much more often hear about a certain movie och band being indie, as if it was a genre. I assume that it has a lot to do with the hipster style becoming bigger and more mainstream, because there is nothing hipsters like more than to add a label such as indie to something to make it seem more hip.

horscht(i)

2010-09-12 12:31:38 pm

defrag in progress

Yep, it`s pretty much like that. Just tag a catchy phrase onto stuff and pretend it`s the new _whatever_ you simply need to have. People will start buying it. If you do clever marketing, you do not even need a high quality device with superior performance or functionality.

TheGreenManalishi

2010-09-12 01:11:29 pm

I think it still applies properly for games (in that 'indie' isn't an advertising label just yet) whereas indie music in the UK these days just means jangly guitars, bad vocals and all around ripping off The Smiths.

Opium

2010-09-12 01:24:49 pm

I think it's a good term, just like indie films. When I hear that a film is an indie film, then I know that there's a good chance that it will take more risks than a huge budget film. I also know that they had less money to spend/waste on huge explosions, sets, and special effects, so there's a good chance that they tried to focus on something else to get people's attention; like story, uniqueness, or something that nobody has even thought of yet.

Quietus

2010-09-12 01:27:47 pm

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

Poision, I decided to try Recettear, just out of curiosity. I'm actually quite enjoying it, but I have to say that I'd enjoy it a whole lot more if the dungeon parts were a game in itself. Much like a randomly generated dungeon crawler. Anyway, I'm enjoying it. Capitalism, ho! Wink

Poision Envy

2010-09-12 03:08:42 pm

Club 27 Goals

I think the term for "indie music" has been warped more over time. Before it would just mean a band that isn't mainstream and stuff, and applied to the "hipsters" because they were considered unique and different. IMO I don't think the term "indie game" has really been warped, or at least I haven't noticed. Indie games tend to appeal to me more because the developer will actually interact with the community (Notch meeting with players/fans, going on his official forums often, even making threads on /v/). Also if an indie game is good enough, it actually WILL eventually go mainstream, which isn't bad either (typically). Notch went to the Valve HQ not too long ago and discussed the future of his game with them (he didn't say what was said or anything though). Anyhow, I don't want to try and sound like just because a game is indie I will want to get it right away (Kinda like how the crazed Apple people will buy up every apple product just because it's, well, apple). I just wanted to point out that just because a game is labeled indie it shouldn't be labeled as hipster trash.

Quote from Quietus:

Poision, I decided to try Recettear, just out of curiosity. I'm actually quite enjoying it, but I have to say that I'd enjoy it a whole lot more if the dungeon parts were a game in itself. Much like a randomly generated dungeon crawler. Anyway, I'm enjoying it. Capitalism, ho! Wink

Yeah I can agree with this. Although as you progress dungeons do become more of the game, and the whole shop aspect is just something on the side to actually bring in money, or at least that's what my friend told me (he's a lot farther ahead of me, I forgot to save after the first payment and got to the second payment and didn't have enough, d'oh).

He made this and told me to post it in the youtube topic, but I'll just put it right here since it's not THAT important:

I think the term for "indie music" has been warped more over time. Before it would just mean a band that isn't mainstream and stuff, and applied to the "hipsters" because they were considered unique and different. IMO I don't think the term "indie game" has really been warped, or at least I haven't noticed. Indie games tend to appeal to me more because the developer will actually interact with the community (Notch meeting with players/fans, going on his official forums often, even making threads on /v/). Also if an indie game is good enough, it actually WILL eventually go mainstream, which isn't bad either (typically). Notch went to the Valve HQ not too long ago and discussed the future of his game with them (he didn't say what was said or anything though). Anyhow, I don't want to try and sound like just because a game is indie I will want to get it right away (Kinda like how the crazed Apple people will buy up every apple product just because it's, well, apple). I just wanted to point out that just because a game is labeled indie it shouldn't be labeled as hipster trash.

[quote="Quietus"]Poision, I decided to try Recettear, just out of curiosity.  I'm actually quite enjoying it, but I have to say that I'd enjoy it a whole lot more if the dungeon parts were a game in itself.  Much like a randomly generated dungeon crawler.  Anyway, I'm enjoying it.  Capitalism, ho! :wink:[/quote]
Yeah I can agree with this. Although as you progress dungeons do become more of the game, and the whole shop aspect is just something on the side to actually bring in money, or at least that's what my friend told me (he's a lot farther ahead of me, I forgot to save after the first payment and got to the second payment and didn't have enough, d'oh).

He made this and told me to post it in the youtube topic, but I'll just put it right here since it's not THAT important:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-PvgMIH8uk

Cpadolf

2010-09-12 03:30:37 pm

Almost happy

Quote from Poision Envy:

I just wanted to point out that just because a game is labeled indie it shouldn't be labeled as hipster trash.

Oh I absolutely don't think that either, I just think its a silly label. Call it independent if anything.

Poision Envy

2010-09-12 03:33:53 pm

Club 27 Goals

I've always thought indie was short for independent <.<. Or did you mean to actually use the full word instead of the shortened version? Like for example it's annoying when people say "dev" but it's fine if they say "developer".

Cpadolf

2010-09-12 04:05:04 pm

Almost happy

Quote from Poision Envy:

I've always thought indie was short for independent <.<. Or did you mean to actually use the full word instead of the shortened version? Like for example it's annoying when people say "dev" but it's fine if they say "developer".

Yeah. Indie is short for independent, but since the term indie has been so separated from its actual meaning in both film and music in many cases I don't like using it for stuff that is actually independently developed.

Gaius_4

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2010-09-12 04:26:10 pm

What if an Indiana Jones movie was independently developed from the state of Indiana? And then dubbed into Hindi?

It would be an Indie Indy from Indi in Hindi. aiwebs_013

ETA: Then remade into an indie game?

*head explodes*

Then an independent hipster musician wrote a song about it?

*creates a distortion in space tiem!!1*

TheGreenManalishi

2010-09-12 04:31:06 pm

why not just divide by zero while you're at it?

or just genki dama/falcon punch/chuck norris roundhouse the universe. take your pick.

Poision Envy

2010-09-12 07:15:57 pm

Club 27 Goals

lol, nerfnow just (12 minutes ago) uploaded a new comic. It's recettear themed.

Idkbutlike2

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2010-09-12 07:37:22 pm

A game this memish is bound to attract numerous fanboys that I'll have to fend off like a horde of zombies...

Opium

2010-09-12 08:49:02 pm

Wow. Nearly 3 weeks ago, my friend and I wrote a letter to the corporate office of King Soopers (a large chain of grocers in Colorado) telling them that after more than 2 decades of loyal shopping, we would no longer shop there unless they stop supporting the BSA. He opened yesterday's mail and found an actual response from them, not a form-letter, which basically stated that the issue was to be voted upon at their next board meeting. The executive who replied even went so far as to add a personal touch by saying that he agreed with our stance and that he hoped the vote went to discontinue support. I'm stunned that we not only got a real reply, but that it wasn't an impersonal canned response from some unempowered person who spoke like a politician. This is pretty cool, says I.

Idkbutlike2

2010-09-12 08:53:00 pm

What's the BSA?

arkarian

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2010-09-12 08:59:28 pm

red chamber dream

BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA. FUCK 'EM.

Opium

2010-09-12 09:06:35 pm

boy scouts of america. They ban any scout or scout leader from membership if they are agnostic, atheist, or homosexual. They also kick out any scouts or scout leaders that are already in the group if they are found out to be any of the aforementioned things - even if they have already been in scouting for many years. It's funny because this is in direct violation of their basic oath and scout law. It's as if the words 'unless they are queer or atheist' is written in tiny letters next to the parts where it says that scouts should be helpful and all that shit. The BSA has fought in court and won for THEIR RIGHT to discriminate in this way, they do have the right to run their organization this way just like the Klan has the legal right to run their organization as they see fit, but I wouldn't shop at a store that supported the Klan either. They are sending a message to young people that says that it's OK to discriminate, and its especially sick when you consider how they practically teach them that its not only OK but it's the RIGHT thing to do. The current leadership of the BSA is the bad guy here, and the real victims are the kids. Either come out and say that scouting is an intolerant religious group and stop presenting itself as a wholesome model of good citizenship, or change.

boy scouts of america.  They ban any scout or scout leader from membership if they are agnostic, atheist, or homosexual.  They also kick out any scouts or scout leaders that are already in the group if they are found out to be any of the aforementioned things - even if they have already been in scouting for many years.  It's funny because this is in direct violation of their basic oath and scout law.  It's as if the words 'unless they are queer or atheist' is written in tiny letters next to the parts where it says that scouts should be helpful and all that shit.  The BSA has fought in court and won for THEIR RIGHT to discriminate in this way, they do have the right to run their organization this way just like the Klan has the legal right to run their organization as they see fit, but I wouldn't shop at a store that supported the Klan either.  They are sending a message to young people that says that it's OK to discriminate, and its especially sick when you consider how they practically teach them that its not only OK but it's the RIGHT thing to do. The current leadership of the BSA is the bad guy here, and the real victims are the kids. Either come out and say that scouting is an intolerant religious group and stop presenting itself as a wholesome model of good citizenship, or change.

arkarian

2010-09-12 09:07:43 pm

red chamber dream

oh wow you did mean boy scouts. guess i didn't know that about them.

Opium

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2010-09-12 09:10:29 pm

Quote from arkarian:

oh wow you did mean boy scouts. guess i didn't know that about them.

Lots of people dont know about it. they dont print it on tshirts or signs, but they strictly follow those rules and arent apologetic about it in court. The aclu and human rights campaign have pleaded with them to reconsider and to see the damage that this message brings, but the current leaders of BSA are bible-bangin pricks.

They cite all of their reasoning in scripture and in ridiculous ideas that homosexuality is 'taught' to young people, and they also advocate that gay scout leaders are more likely to be pedophiles. Completely backward, ignorant retards.

arkarian

2010-09-12 09:11:40 pm

red chamber dream

yeah i guess i always thought the idea of boy scouts was extremely laughable so i just never paid attention.