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he shouldn't have backed down.
Well, for lulz' sake that is, he shouldn't have then.
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Quote from Toozin:
The ignorance surrounding this Quran burning and 'ground zero' mosque controversy infuriates me to no end.
Oh wow, come to my history class one week then. Every Tuesday we have to do a report-ish thing on a "current event" and then we discuss it the next day. Last week was the ground zero mosque thing. I wish I had taken the advanced History, just to get out of the class filled with ignorant morons. Like one kid, "They will probably use it to plan an attack or something". uuuuuuugh
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Most of the people in the class are at least intelligent enough to realize how stupid that kid is. One of the (actually) smart kids totally made fun of him for it too after he said it, and the teacher just let him which was pretty funny for the rest of us. Hopefully him being ridiculed for it will make him think twice.
We're going to start talking more about politics and all that pretty soon. It really really bugs me when people think they know everything about politics and the government and just won't shut up about how corrupt our system is, and how much better they could make it.
We're going to start talking more about politics and all that pretty soon. It really really bugs me when people think they know everything about politics and the government and just won't shut up about how corrupt our system is, and how much better they could make it.
One shall stand, one shall ball.
Quote from Gaius_4:
IMO - The people wanting to put up this Islamic Cultural center are doing some arm twisting. They know they have the right to put it up and can't legally be denied that right.
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They might have the right to - but it's a very awkward and perceived as troublesome to more people than not -that would rather it not be there. Ironically, there were some Muslims that were killed in the WTC on 9-11 too. It's just a bad idea any way you slice it.
Anyone who has problems with a Islamic Community Center anywhere is everything that has been wrong with the country since 2001 and should be ignored. Not only should they put it within the block and half or whatever their going for, they should be able to put like twenty of them because this is America and we should be cool with that, not necessarily like it, but be able to man up and deal.
Also that's nothing like the burn the Quran thing, one is a purely peaceful endeavor and the other is purely spiteful and meant solely to incite anger. There are literally no negative repercussions to the former while that latter ends with a bunch of tools feeling smug and millions of others just pissed off. When your aim is just to further hate the first amendment doesn't really cover you.
Quote from Gaius_4:
But really. What would burning a Quran do to hurt anyone? What if it was done in secret? Or burning a Bible? The ideas and principles of those who follow whichever book can't be destroyed by a mere "demonstration". I'm not saying burning a Quran is bad or wrong, and I'm not saying it's good either. It's the purpose behind the act. That can be 2 things. You hate what some book says, or you're doing it to provoke those that believe in it. The latter is what that "Pastor" was trying to do. And I don't believe that's right.
Imagine you had something that encompasses all you value in you life, has shaped it, aided it, and generally serves as some kind of embodiment of things good and right to you. Now imagine someone grabbed it, set it on fire and then pissed out the flames after it'd been reduced to ashes. You'd be a bit annoyed I assume. It's sort of like that.
It may seem pretty trivial, and it may well be, but just as you say that the purpose behind the action is what makes it right or wrong the meaning each individual Muslim gives the Quran is what makes burning it painful or not to them. We can all argue to hell and back whether or not they deserve it or how it shouldn't offend anyone, but the fact is people do place great importance on certain things, and there's no good reason for destroying them and there's no place for anything like that among civilized people. And honestly, we all know that the action will speak more loudly to people than any intention behind it anyway, saying that the action itself isn't good or bad is dishonest. The road to hell being paved with good intentions and whatnot.
Quote from arkarian:
he shouldn't have backed down.
In some weird way I actually believe this. For all his build up, not actually following through is just cowardly as all get out. Show some balls.
Quote from Toozin:
The ignorance surrounding this Quran burning and 'ground zero' mosque controversy infuriates me to no end.
Yeah this. Most news items that aren't about celebrities being oh so pretty and ~look what they did~ don't make me what to punch those involved, but this kind of thing really does. It's aggressively stupid.
That's it for this edition of Tomatobob's Angry Hour. Back to your regularly scheduled anime chat or whatever.
Viking
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I'm a huge atheist. I wouldn't burn a Bible*. I like the Bible. It's a good story book. Favourite part is probably the story about Samson, because Samson was a total badass. See, my only problem with the book is the people who take it at face value. Or, shall I say, selective face value - for the most triumphant example, there's all these people who quote Leviticus 18:22 against homosexuality, but ignores the parts where God makes it clear that you can't eat pork because pigs are unclean, it's forbidden to trim the edges of your beard, specific instructions for when you're supposed to marry your sister-in-law if your brother dies... yeah, I'm going to stop now, else this is going to turn into things I don't want it to turn into. Let's not make this a religious debate, I just wanted to state my own point and opinion. We will now return to your regularly scheduled lunacy.
*unless I'm, like, in a situation where I need something to fuel a fire for some reason to survive and a Bible is among the only things I have
*unless I'm, like, in a situation where I need something to fuel a fire for some reason to survive and a Bible is among the only things I have
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Yah, the other word used only slightly less often is Paediatrician, with the same extra letter from youz guyz. I say less often, because the brits love talking about paedos, and how we give them help, and house them secretly in streets with normal people and their families. Funny story: There was a story in the news about a Paediatrician who was harassed at her home, because people were too stupid to know the difference.
The only other fairly common one I can think of at the moment is 'encyclopaedia'.
The only other fairly common one I can think of at the moment is 'encyclopaedia'.
like harassing a pedophile is a-okay, right? people's retardation knows no bounds, it's just a fetish after all.
problem are the ones actively or inactively supporting child abuse.
Same with the whole koran debate. People need to be called idiots when they are being idiots, really.
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Wasn't that from elsewhere? 
No, harassing a paedophile is not OK, because that would be necrophilia, since you'd be interfering with a dead body, since all paedophiles should just be shot.
As for this whole book burning debate. The best thing that the muslims could have done would have been to completely ignored this bloke, and explained that their bible is only a written version of their belief, and as long as their way of life, and their understanding of Islam remains intact, he can burn as many as he likes, because they're not going to rise to it.
No, harassing a paedophile is not OK, because that would be necrophilia, since you'd be interfering with a dead body, since all paedophiles should just be shot.
As for this whole book burning debate. The best thing that the muslims could have done would have been to completely ignored this bloke, and explained that their bible is only a written version of their belief, and as long as their way of life, and their understanding of Islam remains intact, he can burn as many as he likes, because they're not going to rise to it.
Quote from KennyMan666:
I'm a huge atheist. I wouldn't burn a Bible*. I like the Bible. It's a good story book. Favourite part is probably the story about Samson, because Samson was a total badass. See, my only problem with the book is the people who take it at face value. Or, shall I say, selective face value - for the most triumphant example, there's all these people who quote Leviticus 18:22 against homosexuality, but ignores the parts where God makes it clear that you can't eat pork because pigs are unclean, it's forbidden to trim the edges of your beard, specific instructions for when you're supposed to marry your sister-in-law if your brother dies... yeah, I'm going to stop now, else this is going to turn into things I don't want it to turn into. Let's not make this a religious debate, I just wanted to state my own point and opinion. We will now return to your regularly scheduled lunacy.
*unless I'm, like, in a situation where I need something to fuel a fire for some reason to survive and a Bible is among the only things I have
*unless I'm, like, in a situation where I need something to fuel a fire for some reason to survive and a Bible is among the only things I have
Funny, I always found it to be plain and redundant. Oh well...
Ironically enough, though, I'm a deist, and not an atheist.
Viking
Precursor
Well, the Bible as it is is fairly heavy and might not be worth the effort to get through.
I recommend this version.
I recommend this version.
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Quote from Idkbutlike2:
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I believe in deities. And unicorns, and leprechauns, and the boogy man.
You also probably believe that a little dot could form out of nothing, explode, and create the entire universe. Makes sense, doesn't it?
About as much sense as deity being able to come into existence out of nothing and doing the same. The beginning of the universe doesn't make sense (yet), period.
Chooser of the Slain
I don't have a single problem with The Bible, I'm a person without a god and without a religion and I have to say that's a beautiful book.
BUT, it's a book for interpretation, a very dangerous book if people decides to read it as "literal", because it's not, it's full of archetypes and should not be taken literal.
A lot of Christians should learn how to read books like that.
BUT, it's a book for interpretation, a very dangerous book if people decides to read it as "literal", because it's not, it's full of archetypes and should not be taken literal.
A lot of Christians should learn how to read books like that.