social topic

2007-07-18 08:27:13 pm

Armor Guardian

Reading Dai Grepher's posts was like trying to push an automobile.

Reading this guy's posts is like pushing an automobile uphill.

...

...only to have it roll back down once you reach the top.

mangadood

2007-07-18 09:33:24 pm

Too many fangirls to count

Ha, one of two things has happened with me:
I started to realize what is illegal and what is barely accepted.
Everyone started ignoring my every post.

^^^
most likely the latter.

arkarian

2007-07-18 09:41:52 pm

red chamber dream

13M13: I am not intentionally harsher with you than with anyone else; it's just that no one else seems to think that this forum is NeoGAF or Something Awful. I can't help that you like to post in a style that those communities encourage, but I can strive to keep this forum looking intelligent, as m2k2 is neither of those places. Many of your posts have been deleted by me because many of your posts have been stupid.

I frankly don't care if you think I'm "heavy-handed"-- I delete other people's posts just as much; it's just that you don't notice because it's not you who's being scruntinised. Also, contrary to what a lot of people think, I'm not "out to get" anyone. I'd say I'm the most laid back of all the mods/admins (except perhaps Grenola), and I have no negative personal issues with anyone in this community, nor do I hold grudges or other petty shit. If you don't like me, fine, but that's not going to stop me from moderating like I'm supposed to.

The power to delete posts is not really a privilege; it's more a responsibility that nate gave me a while ago and I intend to do that job how I believe he'd want me to. If you have a problem, feel free to keep complaining all you want to me, saber, DJ, Yoshi, or even nate, but I don't think it'll get you anywhere.

13M13: I am not intentionally harsher with you than with anyone else; it's just that no one else seems to think that this forum is NeoGAF or Something Awful. I can't help that you like to post in a style that those communities encourage, but I can strive to keep this forum looking intelligent, as m2k2 is neither of those places. Many of your posts have been deleted by me because many of your posts have been stupid.

I frankly don't care if you think I'm "heavy-handed"-- I delete other people's posts just as much; it's just that you don't notice because it's not you who's being scruntinised. Also, contrary to what a lot of people think, I'm not "out to get" anyone. I'd say I'm the most laid back of all the mods/admins (except perhaps Grenola), and I have no negative personal issues with anyone in this community, nor do I hold grudges or other petty shit. If you don't like me, fine, but that's not going to stop me from moderating like I'm supposed to.

The power to delete posts is not really a privilege; it's more a responsibility that nate gave me a while ago and I intend to do that job how I believe he'd want me to. If you have a problem, feel free to keep complaining all you want to me, saber, DJ, Yoshi, or even nate, but I don't think it'll get you anywhere.

mangadood

2007-07-18 10:04:35 pm

Too many fangirls to count

Ark-the only thing I would have done differently is to pm that to him... just sayin'. Your business and his business-not ours. Unless you are trying to tell everybody that you are just doing your job.

SABERinBLUE

2007-07-18 10:08:56 pm

Cook of the Sea

Mangadood is right, Ark. Also, I don't agree with how you've been moderating 13M13. He's got his own way of doing things. Just because it doesn't happen to rub you the right way doesn't mean it's stupid.

arkarian

2007-07-18 10:31:38 pm

red chamber dream

Quote from mangadood:

Ark-the only thing I would have done differently is to pm that to him... just sayin'. Your business and his business-not ours. Unless you are trying to tell everybody that you are just doing your job.

He decided to start shit on the forum first, and I figured I'd give the wrong impression to others by not responding here. The sensible thing would have been to PM me, but he's apparently set in his attempt to make me publicly look like the bad guy. That's fine; I can play that game.

Saber, we've been through this before, kiddo: it's not his "own way"; that's exactly the sort of stuff that fills forums like NeoGAF and Something Awful. He's not being inventive; he just likely came from one of those boards or is used to posting like that elsewhere. Those kinds of posts have their place (i.e. those forums, which I do like; don't get me wrong), but that place is not here. Most of what he posts is just random images that only vaguely have to do with the topic, yet this is not an imageboard. Once in a while is fine (I actually leave more of his than I delete), but they're only funny in extreme moderation. What he does is considered spam on this forum, whether or not you or I like it/think it's funny.

[quote="mangadood"]Ark-the only thing I would have done differently is to pm that to him... just sayin'. Your business and his business-not ours.  Unless you are trying to tell everybody that you are just doing your job.[/quote]
He decided to start shit on the forum first, and I figured I'd give the wrong impression to others by not responding here. The sensible thing would have been to PM me, but he's apparently set in his attempt to make me publicly look like the bad guy. That's fine; I can play that game.

Saber, we've been through this before, kiddo: it's not his "own way"; that's exactly the sort of stuff that fills forums like NeoGAF and Something Awful. He's not being inventive; he just likely came from one of those boards or is used to posting like that elsewhere. Those kinds of posts have their place (i.e. those forums, which I do like; don't get me wrong), but that place is not here. Most of what he posts is just random images that only vaguely have to do with the topic, yet this is not an imageboard. Once in a while is fine (I actually leave more of his than I delete), but they're only funny in extreme moderation. What he does is considered spam on this forum, whether or not you or I like it/think it's funny.

Chanoire

2007-07-18 11:16:47 pm

Quote from Arkarian:

they're only funny in extreme moderation.

No, they're only funny before extreme moderation.

I understand where you're coming from with your comments, but it does tend to look like you've decided a high percentage of one particular person's posts are the wrong style for this board while other rather dumb posts remain. I truly don't want to sound like I'm picking a fight with you but your own posts mimicking really badly-spelt pointless noobspeak come to mind. (And yes, I know Nate does them too, which is perhaps why they're okay in your book.) And certainly other people post photos with superimposed captions; the dog in the meat grinder comes to mind. (If I had just posted that in place of my first response to TheCheruben in this thread would it have been deleted?)

I didn't see the post that started all this, for obvious reasons. But really, if the only way he's going to find out that his posts are considered crossing a line of some sort is to make the posts and see if they're still there an hour later, is that a good thing? Posts have been edited by mods before with reasons for the edits added. I'm not advocating that the entire forum be loudly notified of every transgression resulting in mod action, but you can't avoid the lines if no one tells you where they are. And since other mods/admins disagree with you on this it seems evident that they are not clearly delineated by the posted rules. Equally clearly, you don't consider 13M13 to be deliberately flouting the rules or you would have banned him long ago instead of continuing to delete his posts, so it follows that this method of handling it is not conveying what it's intended to convey. And on something which is this subjective is it really the best policy to shoot first and ask questions later? It's not like it becomes set in stone if it's left too long.

Also, I know he brought up his grievance in public "first", but regardless of the question of whether he was right to do so, the result of your warning him publicly was that an uninvolved poster chimed in gleefully after quoting your warning. That bothered me more than almost anything else here, for reasons I'm having difficulty articulating.

[quote="Arkarian"]they're only funny in extreme moderation.[/quote]
No, they're only funny [i]before[/i] extreme moderation.

I understand where you're coming from with your comments, but it does tend to look like you've decided a high percentage of one particular person's posts are the wrong style for this board while other rather dumb posts remain.  I truly don't want to sound like I'm picking a fight with you but your own posts mimicking really badly-spelt pointless noobspeak come to mind.  (And yes, I know Nate does them too, which is perhaps why they're okay in your book.)  And certainly other people post photos with superimposed captions; the dog in the meat grinder comes to mind. (If I had just posted that in place of my first response to TheCheruben in this thread would it have been deleted?)

I didn't see the post that started all this, for obvious reasons.  But really, if the only way he's going to find out that his posts are considered crossing a line of some sort is to make the posts and see if they're still there an hour later, is that a good thing?  Posts have been edited by mods before with reasons for the edits added.  I'm not advocating that the entire forum be loudly notified of every transgression resulting in mod action, but you can't avoid the lines if no one tells you where they are.  And since other mods/admins disagree with you on this it seems evident that they are not clearly delineated by the posted rules.  Equally clearly, you don't consider 13M13 to be deliberately flouting the rules or you would have banned him long ago instead of continuing to delete his posts, so it follows that this method of handling it is not conveying what it's intended to convey.  And on something which is this subjective is it really the best policy to shoot first and ask questions later?  It's not like it becomes set in stone if it's left too long.

Also, I know he brought up his grievance in public "first", but regardless of the question of whether he was right to do so, the result of your warning him publicly was that an uninvolved poster chimed in gleefully after quoting your warning.  That bothered me more than almost anything else here, for reasons I'm having difficulty articulating.

arkarian

2007-07-19 12:34:53 am

red chamber dream

Quote from Chanoire:

I understand where you're coming from with your comments, but it does tend to look like you've decided a high percentage of one particular person's posts are the wrong style for this board while other rather dumb posts remain.

I'm sorry if it looks that way, and I really don't mean for it to. I honestly think y'all don't pay as much attention to all the other posts I delete (probably a few per week, sometimes more) because, like I've said before, no one complains about them, and I usually PM the offending user, generally accompanied by a warning.
13M13 has been told via many PMs to quit with the random spam images, but said PMs obviously have never worked, so I stopped sending them a long time ago. He whined about it on the forum even when I did PM him (rather than PMing me back), which I take as total insubordination. Now he continues to whine about it publicly, which certainly isn't getting anyone anywhere. Yoshi doesn't care, though (and nate, the only other active admin, is rarely around these days), so my hands are tied pretty tightly.

Quote from Chanoire:

I truly don't want to sound like I'm picking a fight with you

Naw, you'd never do that. :P

Quote from Chanoire:

your own posts mimicking really badly-spelt pointless noobspeak come to mind.

As I've said before, when a user (including me) posts like that occasionally, it's fine by me. I'm sure Yosh has actually deleted a few of my posts like that because he felt the were too much, and I can respect that.

Quote from Chanoire:

(And yes, I know Nate does them too, which is perhaps why they're okay in your book.)

That's another reason, yes. If the administrator of the community feels it's okay once in a while, then sure, I'll do it, too.

Quote from Chanoire:

And certainly other people post photos with superimposed captions; the dog in the meat grinder comes to mind.

Like I said, the occasional use of an image to convey your point in a humourous fashion is fine by me. The same is true for noobspeak and the like, especially in the social topic, but there's a point where it crosses the line and becomes spam.

Quote from Chanoire:

(If I had just posted that in place of my first response to TheCheruben in this thread would it have been deleted?)

I don't recall the dog in the meat grinder image, so I couldn't tell you. It's likely I would have deleted it, though, yes, especially because I know you know better.

Quote from Chanoire:

But really, if the only way he's going to find out that his posts are considered crossing a line of some sort is to make the posts and see if they're still there an hour later, is that a good thing?

No, it's not, which is why I've told him multiple times what not to post. The rules also say "no spam" btw.

Quote from Chanoire:

Posts have been edited by mods before with reasons for the edits added.

Yes, and that's what I originally did with 13M13's spam posts. It caused him to whine and bitch about it, so I started deleting them instead.

Quote from Chanoire:

but you can't avoid the lines if no one tells you where they are.

I have told him clearly multiple times; he doesn't listen/care because he doesn't think he's doing anything wrong. Either that, or he likes to deliberately disregard

Quote from Chanoire:

you don't consider 13M13 to be deliberately flouting the rules or you would have banned him long ago instead of continuing to delete his posts

Not true, as I don't have the power to ban people. Even if I were an admin, I doubt I'd ban him for two reasons: no one else on the staff would go for it, and I know 13M13's an intelligent guy; he just chooses to blatantly disregard the rules. Users have overcome that habit before (see mangadood), and I used to have enough faith in him to hope for a difference. Now, I don't think that's as likely and would probably be more willing to ban him.

Quote from Chanoire:

so it follows that this method of handling it is not conveying what it's intended to convey.

What the hell else am I supposed to do? As I said, Yoshi won't do anything about it, so I'm sort of stuck here.

Quote from Chanoire:

And on something which is this subjective is it really the best policy to shoot first and ask questions later? It's not like it becomes set in stone if it's left too long.

nate told everyone (the mods and admins) a long time ago to start deleting spam on-sight, and I, like everyone else, has been doing so ever since then. The rules specifically say no spam; 13M13 has been told he's a bit too spammy, yet he continues to post like that. So, yes, I am fully entitled to delete spammy posts of his. It's not like I delete ones wherein he actually says something. Forums like this one are about cogent discussion, not posting vaguely related images.

Quote from Chanoire:

Also, I know he brought up his grievance in public "first", but regardless of the question of whether he was right to do so, the result of your warning him publicly was that an uninvolved poster chimed in gleefully after quoting your warning. That bothered me more than almost anything else here, for reasons I'm having difficulty articulating.

It bothers me a great deal, too, but that's not really my fault. I feel if I start getting after users for commenting on complaints about my moderation like that, it'll just start shit with Yosh or saber, who is very easy to get riled up, or else just make me look like a complete tool (okay, 13M13, I understand you think I'm a tool anyway; no need to make a post saying so).

[quote="Chanoire"]I understand where you're coming from with your comments, but it does tend to look like you've decided a high percentage of one particular person's posts are the wrong style for this board while other rather dumb posts remain.[/quote]
I'm sorry if it looks that way, and I really don't mean for it to. I honestly think y'all don't pay as much attention to all the other posts I delete (probably a few per week, sometimes more) because, like I've said before, no one complains about them, and I usually PM the offending user, generally accompanied by a warning.
13M13 has been told via many PMs to quit with the random spam images, but said PMs obviously have never worked, so I stopped sending them a long time ago. He whined about it on the forum even when I [i]did[/i] PM him (rather than PMing me back), which I take as total insubordination. Now he continues to whine about it publicly, which certainly isn't getting anyone anywhere. Yoshi doesn't care, though (and nate, the only other active admin, is rarely around these days), so my hands are tied pretty tightly.

[quote="Chanoire"]I truly don't want to sound like I'm picking a fight with you[/quote]
Naw, you'd never do that. :P

[quote="Chanoire"]your own posts mimicking really badly-spelt pointless noobspeak come to mind.[/quote]
As I've said before, when a user (including me) posts like that occasionally, it's fine by me. I'm sure Yosh has actually deleted a few of my posts like that because he felt the were too much, and I can respect that.

[quote="Chanoire"](And yes, I know Nate does them too, which is perhaps why they're okay in your book.)[/quote]
That's another reason, yes. If the administrator of the community feels it's okay once in a while, then sure, I'll do it, too.

[quote="Chanoire"]And certainly other people post photos with superimposed captions; the dog in the meat grinder comes to mind.[/quote]
Like I said, the occasional use of an image to convey your point in a humourous fashion is fine by me. The same is true for noobspeak and the like, especially in the social topic, but there's a point where it crosses the line and becomes spam.

[quote="Chanoire"](If I had just posted that in place of my first response to TheCheruben in this thread would it have been deleted?)[/quote]
I don't recall the dog in the meat grinder image, so I couldn't tell you. It's likely I would have deleted it, though, yes, especially because I know you know better.

[quote="Chanoire"]But really, if the only way he's going to find out that his posts are considered crossing a line of some sort is to make the posts and see if they're still there an hour later, is that a good thing?[/quote]
No, it's not, which is why I've told him multiple times what not to post. The rules also say "no spam" btw.

[quote="Chanoire"]Posts have been edited by mods before with reasons for the edits added.[/quote]
Yes, and that's what I originally did with 13M13's spam posts. It caused him to whine and bitch about it, so I started deleting them instead.

[quote="Chanoire"]but you can't avoid the lines if no one tells you where they are.[/quote]
I have told him clearly multiple times; he doesn't listen/care because he doesn't think he's doing anything wrong. Either that, or he likes to deliberately disregard

[quote="Chanoire"]you don't consider 13M13 to be deliberately flouting the rules or you would have banned him long ago instead of continuing to delete his posts[/quote]
Not true, as I don't have the power to ban people. Even if I were an admin, I doubt I'd ban him for two reasons: no one else on the staff would go for it, and I know 13M13's an intelligent guy; he just chooses to blatantly disregard the rules. Users have overcome that habit before (see mangadood), and I used to have enough faith in him to hope for a difference. Now, I don't think that's as likely and would probably be more willing to ban him.

[quote="Chanoire"]so it follows that this method of handling it is not conveying what it's intended to convey.[/quote]
What the hell else am I supposed to do? As I said, Yoshi won't do anything about it, so I'm sort of stuck here.

[quote="Chanoire"]And on something which is this subjective is it really the best policy to shoot first and ask questions later?  It's not like it becomes set in stone if it's left too long.[/quote]
nate told everyone (the mods and admins) a long time ago to start deleting spam on-sight, and I, like everyone else, has been doing so ever since then. The rules specifically say no spam; 13M13 has been told he's a bit too spammy, yet he continues to post like that. So, yes, I am fully entitled to delete spammy posts of his. It's not like I delete ones wherein he actually [i]says[/i] something. Forums like this one are about cogent discussion, not posting vaguely related images.

[quote="Chanoire"]Also, I know he brought up his grievance in public "first", but regardless of the question of whether he was right to do so, the result of your warning him publicly was that an uninvolved poster chimed in gleefully after quoting your warning.  That bothered me more than almost anything else here, for reasons I'm having difficulty articulating.[/quote]
It bothers me a great deal, too, but that's not really my fault. I feel if I start getting after users for commenting on complaints about my moderation like that, it'll just start shit with Yosh or saber, who is very easy to get riled up, or else just make me look like a complete tool (okay, 13M13, I understand you think I'm a tool anyway; no need to make a post saying so).

mangadood

2007-07-19 12:44:13 am

Too many fangirls to count

As the mod, I do believe you should be the bigger man, Ark. and take it into private yourself. I have no problem with you as a person, so stop getting so defensive on everyone who looks at you funny, man. it isn't like we all hate you. (<3)

arkarian

2007-07-19 12:48:17 am

red chamber dream

*sigh* already explained why I didn't want to do that.

mangadood

2007-07-19 12:55:12 am

Too many fangirls to count

And the answer was very arrogant.

DJGrenola

2007-07-19 12:55:17 am

On the bright side, I hardly ever delete anyone's posts !

Because I don't care !

arkarian

2007-07-19 12:59:02 am

red chamber dream

Quote from mangadood:

And the answer was very arrogant.

? It was just so that people could understand where I'm coming from.

Example!: Chanoire said "I understand where you're coming from with your comments".

Looks like it worked. >.<

13M13

2007-07-19 01:02:34 am

l'appel du vide

Quote from Arkarian:

13M13 has been told via many PMs to quit with the random spam images, but said PMs obviously have never worked, so I stopped sending them a long time ago.

You sent me one. At the beginning of this year. To which I replied stating that yes, I was being an ass in that particular instance. Since then, I've received no further PMs or other notifications from you; you've only deleted my posts.

Quote:

He whined about it on the forum even when I did PM him (rather than PMing me back), which I take as total insubordination.

I'm going to have to ask you for links to those particular posts of mine.

Quote:

Now he continues to whine about it publicly, which certainly isn't getting anyone anywhere.

Much less would have been accomplished by my bringing this up with you privately.

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No, it's not, which is why I've told him multiple times what not to post.

Again, you've PM'd me once. Half a year ago.

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Yes, and that's what I originally did with 13M13's spam posts. It caused him to whine and zazabi about it, so I started deleting them instead.

Again, links, please.

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I have told him clearly multiple times[.]

Again, false.

Quote:

(okay, 13M13, I understand you think I'm a tool anyway; no need to make a post saying so).

I do, indeed, think you are a tool at times.

But you have made a few posts that were rather "tool-ish" towards me...no?

"We don't need another 13M13..."
"Does that mean we can ban 13M13?"

Come on, man.

[quote="Arkarian"]13M13 has been told via many PMs to quit with the random spam images, but said PMs obviously have never worked, so I stopped sending them a long time ago.[/quote]
You sent me one.  At the beginning of this year.  To which I replied stating that yes, I was being an ass in that particular instance.  Since then, I've received no further PMs or other notifications from you; you've only deleted my posts.

[quote]He whined about it on the forum even when I [i]did[/i] PM him (rather than PMing me back), which I take as total insubordination.[/quote]
I'm going to have to ask you for links to those particular posts of mine.

[quote]Now he continues to whine about it publicly, which certainly isn't getting anyone anywhere.[/quote]
Much less would have been accomplished by my bringing this up with you privately.

[quote]No, it's not, which is why I've told him multiple times what not to post.[/quote]
Again, you've PM'd me once.  Half a year ago.

[quote]Yes, and that's what I originally did with 13M13's spam posts. It caused him to whine and zazabi about it, so I started deleting them instead.[/quote]
Again, links, please.

[quote]I have told him clearly [u]multiple[/u] times[.][/quote]
Again, false.

[quote](okay, 13M13, I understand you think I'm a tool anyway; no need to make a post saying so).[/quote]
I do, indeed, think you are a tool at times.

But you have made a few posts that were rather "tool-ish" towards me...no?

"We don't need another 13M13..."
"Does that mean we can ban 13M13?"

Come on, man.

mangadood

2007-07-19 01:02:47 am

Too many fangirls to count

I vote this argument ends now. it won't go anywhere. deal? deal.

Chanoire

2007-07-19 01:17:17 am

I didn't say I agreed with where you're coming from, Ark. :P I just tend to favor erring on the side of caution, and of course people can't see other posts you've deleted because, well, they're not there. So only the ones that are publicized get noticed. And I concur that it's just as well that this discussion take place, because people will be more at ease with knowing where the lines are. The possibly inappropriate exertion of punitive powers against an individual without warning is a valid concern and will seriously affect the comfort level of the community as well as the individual if it occurs.

And with that I had better call it a night, at least for now, lest my careful phrasing deteriorate. At least it's made the day interesting.

arkarian

2007-07-19 01:19:57 am

red chamber dream

Meh, I thought it was more than once; my mistake. I remember you being cool to me when I PMed you (iirc), but the fact that you didn't stop on the forum was what ticked me off. Honestly man, how hard is it to just post words rather than images? That's all I'm really asking here; it was you who escalated this topic, not me.

As for my "tool-ish" posts, I apologise. I meant them as jokes, nothing more. I swear I don't have it in for you; I'd just like to actually see your intelligence rather than question if it's there.

EDIT: In response to Chanoire's post, yes, the mods here do have a policy of just deleting spammy/stupid/useless posts on sight, and we all do so regularly and often without PMs, especially if they've been given out before.

This clause in the forum rules has been there for a very long time:

Quote from The Forum Rules, in regard to forum organisation:

Like other policies, action will only be taken against a user in cases of clear and intentional disregard for the policy. However, posts may be deleted if they are considered disruptive to the thread.

That says, albeit perhaps not very clearly, that posts can be deleted without giving the user a warning, which all the mods do frequently.
I thought people already knew that, but now it should be clear.

Meh, I thought it was more than once; my mistake. I remember you being cool to me when I PMed you (iirc), but the fact that you didn't stop on the forum was what ticked me off. Honestly man, how hard is it to just post words rather than images? That's all I'm really asking here; it was you who escalated this topic, not me.

As for my "tool-ish" posts, I apologise. I meant them as jokes, nothing more. I swear I don't have it in for you; I'd just like to actually see your intelligence rather than question if it's there.

EDIT: In response to Chanoire's post, yes, the mods here do have a policy of just deleting spammy/stupid/useless posts on sight, and we all do so regularly and often without PMs, especially if they've been given out before.

This clause in the forum rules has been there for a very long time:
[quote="The Forum Rules, in regard to forum organisation"]Like other policies, action will only be taken against a [i]user [/i]in cases of clear and intentional disregard for the policy. However, posts may be deleted if they are considered disruptive to the thread.[/quote]
That says, albeit perhaps not very clearly, that posts can be deleted without giving the user a warning, which all the mods do frequently.
I thought people already knew that, but now it should be clear.

13M13

2007-07-19 01:28:34 am

l'appel du vide

Quote from Arkarian:

...how hard is it to just post words rather than images?

A picture is worth a thousand...

Okay, okay...all's fair. I understand your position, and I will ease up.

I am a bit unnerved at how you fabricated some of your "points" against me in the post that I had responded to just above, however.

arkarian

2007-07-19 01:36:02 am

red chamber dream

That was just an honest mistake; I had thought I PMed you at least a few times. I PM very similar messages to a lot of users and truly don't remember every one.

But thanks for agreeing to ease up, man; I'm really not trying to hurt anyone here.

StarmanHaxor

2007-07-19 03:57:40 am

Quote from 13M13:

Quote from Arkarian:

...how hard is it to just post words rather than images?

A picture is worth a thousand...

That pretty much sums up the whole "Image Macro" theory.

Chanoire

2007-07-19 04:09:15 am

Oh, I forgot to add... the dog pic I was referring to, Ark, is an animated one Scarlet's posted a few times. Says WHAT WHAT WHAT which is about what I was thinking when I first replied to that post about 12. The other reason I mentioned that is because I thought the idea of my posting such a thing would amuse Saber since he knows I dislike the image/words thing in general and that one in particular.

Actually, the main thing prompting the post in which I used that example was the line about extreme moderation, which is about as close as I get to being humorous these days.

TheCheruben

2007-07-19 06:58:31 am

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Honestly man, how hard is it to just post words rather than images?

Although i don't tend to post images to express myself, i have noticed when there is something in the choice of a picture someone might post, without some text along with it,like some i've seen from Starman, i feel i am receiving that person loud and clear. I haven't a clue whether that is a rare experience, though. But saying a picture transcends words --- that's literal enough. Pre-linguistic, triggering deeper parts of the brain. ..My two cents.

JaggerG

2007-07-19 07:27:05 am

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

The main thing about images vs. text is that images tend to give off many more different impressions than clearly phrased sentences. On almost all occasions, you don't need a thousand terms. Some cases of images could have been summed up by less than a dozen letters and still be considered more effective.

TheCheruben

2007-07-19 07:52:16 am

good save.

Soaprman

2007-07-19 09:33:04 am

shrimp

and white wine