SNAAAAAAAAAAKE!!! ::dum dum de dum... DUM DUM DUM!::

2004-03-11 02:00:20 pm

Dude, when I got mine and had to take out the disc the first time I thought I was going to have to just take it back. The damn thing was stuck on the little spindle and wouldn't let go. It would spin but the disc wouldn't come out. I seriously thought the disc was gonna snap. Happened with my copy of Prime too.

Anyway, closing in on the end of the first disc (which I assume is the same endpoint as the original). I suppose my opinion hasn't changed MUCH from yesterday, but the cutscenes are a joy to behold. Not because they're revolutionary by any means, but the wacky over the topness is almost laughable and fits perfectly with my taste in cheesy action films.

The acting seems to fluctuate now. The characters have highs and lows, but a lot of lines still come off stale.

In conclusion: Worth my $40, but will probably get shelved for a few months after I complete it once.

Eruditious

2004-03-11 02:03:02 pm

Quote from Sarah:

Dude, when I got mine and had to take out the disc the first time I thought I was going to have to just take it back. The damn thing was stuck on the little spindle and wouldn't let go. It would spin but the disc wouldn't come out. I seriously thought the disc was gonna snap. Happened with my copy of Prime too.

If that happens again... lift the disc about a half an inch, then keep it lifted but rotate it... it should come out without much fuss.

Syl

2004-03-11 09:06:34 pm

I'll be buying this tommorow night, goal is to have it finished before harvest moon takes over my life on wednesday.

I've never played through a metal gear game before, and I usually dislike stealth, so im not quite sure how its going to hold over for me.
I'm still buying it though, mainly...well, just cause its SK.

el jacko

2004-03-11 09:49:12 pm

Woo, got it and put in about an hour. Graphics impress, sound impresses, controls don't. I wish the analog stick was actually analog, and the L/R buttons continue to confuse me. Plus I haven't played a Metal Gear game since late August and I need to get back into the vibe.

Syl

2004-03-15 12:31:18 pm

WOW.

considering this was my first time through MGS, i was completely blown away at the story, that shit is GOOD. This game has more voice acting in it than most TV show's ive ever seen. (The 2 different discs were simply because they couldn't hold all the talking on a single disc! O_o.)

I can understand why this game got all the hype it did. It definately feeled older, but im fine with that, the graphics were also a little washed out, but i think that was intentional. (the polygon models, espicially meryl, were very noticeably the same style as ED)

Anyway, im glad i bought the game, i hate stealth, but this isn't just a stealth game, its more of an intereactive movie, and one that was done amazingly well. I still enjoyed the hell out of it, even though i did know every single plot twist along the way (hard to keep those secret over 5 years)

There are a few things that annoyed me, but im sure thats because of how exact of a port it was to the PSX version.

I'll be playing through it again on a harder difficulty soonish. (I played through easy my first time, which was very easy).

great game, definately buy it if you never played the original.

WOW.

considering this was my first time through MGS, i was completely blown away at the story, that shit is GOOD.  This game has more voice acting in it than most TV show's ive ever seen.  (The 2 different discs were simply because they couldn't hold all the talking on a single disc! O_o.)

I can understand why this game got all the hype it did.  It definately feeled older, but im fine with that, the graphics were also a little washed out, but i think that was intentional.  (the polygon models, espicially meryl, were very noticeably the same style as ED)

Anyway, im glad i bought the game, i hate stealth, but this isn't just a stealth game, its more of an intereactive movie, and one that was done amazingly well.  I still enjoyed the hell out of it, even though i did know every single plot twist along the way (hard to keep those secret over 5 years)

There are a few things that annoyed me, but im sure thats because of how exact of a port it was to the PSX version.

I'll be playing through it again on a harder difficulty soonish.  (I played through easy my first time, which was very easy).

great game, definately buy it if you never played the original.

Sarah

2004-03-15 02:24:10 pm

Snake is quite a quirky guy though o_o

Like that temper tantrum he throws after rescuing ArmsTech President Baker for now knowing Meryl's CODEC frequency

Some stuff just really out of character.

And did you ever notice how Otacon never seems to seem all that afraid of Snake in the two instances Snake manhandles him?

Then again it's probably just me being overly anal, but it really does throw some things off from the original.

I guess what I miss most is that the original game was fairly believable. It seemed reasonable that something like that could happen. Now everything's just so blown out of proportion with bullet time and bad pacing.

Still an enjoyable game, but with gameplay issues such as controls, sloppy implementation of the MGS2 engine, and completely unforgivable slowdown, it feels like a half-hearted effort by Silicon Knights considering their past games.

Hive Mecha

2004-03-15 05:50:26 pm

In my honest opinion, they killed the realism in MGS with all the stupid bullet time, the way Snake acts like Raiden now, the voice acting blows. And

Mei Ling and Nastasha's accents went bai bai

And the colonel says Shaman differently in the beginning now.

I could go on and on. But I'd sound really anal,
Embarassed

Toozin

2004-03-15 06:01:56 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Quote from Hive Mecha:

they killed the realism in MGS

Realism in MGS?

...

Are you high?

Hive Mecha

2004-03-15 06:08:21 pm

Quote from Toozin:

Quote from Hive Mecha:

they killed the realism in MGS

Realism in MGS?

...

Are you high?

Nope. I don't do drugs my good man. But I assure you there was realism in the original MGS.

1.) all the weapons save the chaff were based off of existing technology.
2.) The foxdie virus is totally plausable as a engineered virus.
3.) could a metal gear be made today? Probably.

Sure there are some things that couldn't have happened in real life, ie. Psycho Mantis couldn't be real, Liquid probably wouldn't be so Terminator-1000ish.

And a lot of the story they impart to you is based off of real life stuff.

So I have to ask, have you even played MGS more than once?

Toozin

2004-03-15 06:10:31 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Quote from Hive Mecha:

Quote from Toozin:

Quote from Hive Mecha:

they killed the realism in MGS

Realism in MGS?

...

Are you high?

Nope. I don't do drugs my good man. But I assure you there was realism in the original MGS.

1.) all the weapons save the chaff were based off of existing technology.
2.) The foxdie virus is totally plausable as a engineered virus.
3.) could a metal gear be made today? Probably.

Sure there are some things that couldn't have happened in real life, ie. Psycho Mantis couldn't be real, Liquid probably wouldn't be so Terminator-1000ish.

And a lot of the story they impart to you is based off of real life stuff.

So I have to ask, have you even played MGS more than once?

Yes, I have. But I have strong objections to using the term "realistic" when talking about video games, especially when used in praising or criticizing a game. I think the term "plausable" should replace realistic when talking about that sort of thing.

I agree that ASPECTS of MGS have some basis in reality, but as a whole it's not realistic in the least.

It is, however, plausable.

[quote="Hive Mecha"][quote="Toozin"][quote="Hive Mecha"]they killed the realism in MGS [/quote]
Realism in MGS?

...

Are you high?[/quote]

Nope. I don't do drugs my good man. But I assure you there was realism in the original MGS.

1.) all the weapons save the chaff were based off of existing technology.
2.) The foxdie virus is totally plausable as a engineered virus.
3.) could a  metal gear be made today? Probably.

Sure there are some things that couldn't have happened in real life, ie. Psycho Mantis couldn't be real, Liquid probably wouldn't be so Terminator-1000ish.

And a lot of the story they impart to you is based off of real life stuff.

So I have to ask, have you even played MGS more than once?[/quote]
Yes, I have. But I have strong objections to using the term "realistic" when talking about video games, especially when used in praising or criticizing a game. I think the term "plausable" should replace realistic when talking about that sort of thing.

I agree that ASPECTS of MGS have some basis in reality, but as a whole it's not realistic in the least.

It is, however, plausable.

Yoshi348

2004-03-15 06:40:39 pm

PAGE BREAKER

Ready and willing.

There he goes on his floating, physics defying platform for president again. Wink

The Last Metroid

2004-03-15 07:39:08 pm

Metal Gear Solid should never be mentioned with Realism in the same sentence. God, there are so many examples that could support my point, but It'd be much easier for you to simply play the game then read a tangent by yours truly.

Hive Mecha

2004-03-15 07:42:14 pm

Quote from The Last Metroid:

Metal Gear Solid should never be mentioned with Realism in the same sentence. God, there are so many examples that could support my point, but It'd be much easier for you to simply play the game then read a tangent by yours truly.

Metal Gear solid, and realism.
Metal Gear solid, and realism.
Metal Gear solid, and realism.

The guns used were the same as the real life counterparts. They were realisitic. They did actual research at US bases to make MGS realisitic.

Toozin

2004-03-15 08:05:03 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Quote from Hive Mecha:

Quote from The Last Metroid:

Metal Gear Solid should never be mentioned with Realism in the same sentence. God, there are so many examples that could support my point, but It'd be much easier for you to simply play the game then read a tangent by yours truly.

Metal Gear solid, and realism.
Metal Gear solid, and realism.
Metal Gear solid, and realism.

The guns used were the same as the real life counterparts. They were realisitic. They did actual research at US bases to make MGS realisitic.

THAT FACT ALONE DOES NOT MAKE THE ENTIRE GAME REALISTIC! THAT IS JUST ONE SINGLE REALISTIC ELEMENT OF A COMPLETELY FANTASTICAL GAME!

*cough*

Sorry.

Hive Mecha

2004-03-15 08:20:13 pm

Quote from Toozin:

Quote from Hive Mecha:

Quote from The Last Metroid:

Metal Gear Solid should never be mentioned with Realism in the same sentence. God, there are so many examples that could support my point, but It'd be much easier for you to simply play the game then read a tangent by yours truly.

Metal Gear solid, and realism.
Metal Gear solid, and realism.
Metal Gear solid, and realism.

The guns used were the same as the real life counterparts. They were realisitic. They did actual research at US bases to make MGS realisitic.

THAT FACT ALONE DOES NOT MAKE THE ENTIRE GAME REALISTIC! THAT IS JUST ONE SINGLE REALISTIC ELEMENT OF A COMPLETELY FANTASTICAL GAME!

*cough*

Sorry.

Wow let me read my original post back to you

Quote:

Nope. I don't do drugs my good man. But I assure you there was realism in the original MGS.

There WAS. Not the whole game, but parts. Never did I say that the entired game was realistic. I said it had realism.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

Quote:

In my honest opinion, they killed the realism in MGS with all the stupid bullet time,

I never said the whole game was realistic there either.

Quote:

I agree that ASPECTS of MGS have some basis in reality, but as a whole it's not realistic in the least.

It is, however, plausable.

Your quote there Toozin. And I agree with you. Aspects of MGS have basis in reality, and it's realistic, at least to me.
You agree it is plausable.

So I'll end this here before it ends in a lock or a NURNURNUR or something else stupid.

^_^ But I enjoyed posting with ya man.

[quote="Toozin"][quote="Hive Mecha"][quote="The Last Metroid"][b]Metal Gear Solid should never be mentioned with Realism in the same sentence. God, there are so many examples that could support my point, but It'd be much easier for you to simply play the game then read a tangent by yours truly.[/b][/quote]

Metal Gear solid, and realism.
Metal Gear solid, and realism.
Metal Gear solid, and realism.

The guns used were the same as the real life counterparts. They were realisitic. They did actual research at US bases to make MGS realisitic.[/quote]
THAT FACT ALONE DOES NOT MAKE THE ENTIRE GAME REALISTIC! THAT IS  JUST ONE SINGLE REALISTIC ELEMENT OF A COMPLETELY FANTASTICAL GAME!

*cough*

Sorry.[/quote]

Wow let me read my original post back to you

[quote]Nope. I don't do drugs my good man. But I assure you there was realism in the original MGS. [/quote]

There WAS. Not the whole game, but parts. Never did I say that the entired game was realistic. I said it had realism.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

[quote]In my honest opinion, they killed the realism in MGS with all the stupid bullet time,[/quote]

I never said the whole game was realistic there either.

[quote]I agree that ASPECTS of MGS have some basis in reality, but as a whole it's not realistic in the least.

It is, however, plausable.[/quote]

Your quote there Toozin. And I agree with you. Aspects of MGS have basis in reality, and it's realistic, at least to me. 
You agree it is plausable.

So I'll end this here before it ends in a lock or a NURNURNUR or something else stupid.

^_^ But I enjoyed posting with ya man.

The Last Metroid

2004-03-15 09:01:05 pm

Metal Gear Solid is not a reaslistic game. Yes, as you and Toozin both mentioned, there are certain aspects of the game that run paralell with the world we live in -- however, this doesn't make the game realistic (think, I dunno, Jurrassic Park). And yes, even though you did say simply that the bullet time detracts from the game's realism, you are still implying that you believe the game has a good deal of pragmacity.

I am a Metal Gear fanboy. I have been since I discovered Metal Gear at my local funcoland. I hyped the shit out of Metal Gear Solid, and bought a PS2, and again hyped the shit out of it's sequel. I know every nuance of the series. However, in all my knowledge of Snake, Liquid, Kojima, Big Boss, FOXHOUND, Outer Heaven, and the rest, there is no sense of realism. I'm going to give three expamples of why Metal Gear Solid shouldn't be taken as a realistic game.

1.) Genetic Manipulation.

As far as the general public knows (and in the governments eye, Kojima and his team do fall into that catagory), the only genetic menipulation that has occured at such levels as cloning have occured with sheep. The sheep that was "produced" was, unlike snake, not a genetically enhanced super soldier. The sheep's DNA structure wasn't altered at all for enhancement, really. If the MGS world runs parallel to our own, don't you think we would already have created soldiers to fight terrorism or something?

2.) Metal Gear Rex/Ray

The miltary has barely scratched the surface when it comes to mechs; sure, there have been the few instances of various prototype upright tanks, but those are nothing compared to what MGR/R can do in the series. Rex, for example, has the ablity to fire off a series of nuclear missiles. Not just one. You know how near impossible that would be to do in real life? Quite. Ray, on the other hand, is an amphibious MG, capable of swimming through almost any liquid. Have you seen this thing move? There's no way our givernment's current R&D department has the ability to manipulate metal in such a way.

3.) Stealth Camo

First of all, if such a thing existed, I'd have already stolen it, and used it for many fun activities. But it doesn't exist, because it's impossible.

Those are three examples of many instances -- and in a world where such things exist, Solid Snake can dodge bullets, and Ninja's katana can slice through vertibre.

[b]Metal Gear Solid is not a reaslistic game. Yes, as you and Toozin both mentioned, there are certain aspects of the game that run paralell with the world we live in -- however, this doesn't make the game realistic (think, I dunno, Jurrassic Park). And yes, even though you did say simply that the bullet time detracts from the game's realism, you are still implying that you believe the game has a good deal of pragmacity.

I am a Metal Gear fanboy. I have been since I discovered Metal Gear at my local funcoland. I hyped the shit out of Metal Gear Solid, and bought a PS2, and again hyped the shit out of it's sequel. I know every nuance of the series. However, in all my knowledge of Snake, Liquid, Kojima, Big Boss, FOXHOUND, Outer Heaven, and the rest, there is no sense of realism. I'm going to give three expamples of why Metal Gear Solid shouldn't be taken as a realistic game.

[u]1.) Genetic Manipulation.[/u]

As far as the general public knows (and in the governments eye, Kojima and his team [i]do[/i] fall into that catagory), the only genetic menipulation that has occured at such levels as cloning have occured with sheep. The sheep that was "produced" was, unlike snake, not a genetically enhanced super soldier. The sheep's DNA structure wasn't altered at all for enhancement, really. If the MGS world runs parallel to our own, don't you think we would already have created soldiers to fight terrorism or something?

[u]2.) Metal Gear Rex/Ray[/u]

The miltary has barely scratched the surface when it comes to mechs; sure, there have been the few instances of various prototype upright tanks, but those are nothing compared to what MGR/R can do in the series. Rex, for example, has the ablity to fire off a [i]series[/i] of nuclear missiles. Not just one. You know how near impossible that would be to do in real life? Quite. Ray, on the other hand, is an amphibious MG, capable of swimming through almost any liquid. Have you seen this thing move? There's no way our givernment's current R&D department has the ability to manipulate metal in such a way.

[u]3.) Stealth Camo[/u]

First of all, if such a thing existed, I'd have already stolen it, and used it for many fun activities. But it doesn't exist, because it's impossible.

Those are three examples of many instances -- and in a world where such things exist, Solid Snake can dodge bullets, and Ninja's katana can slice through vertibre.[/b]

Hive Mecha

2004-03-15 09:22:29 pm

XD

You made a special avatar just for that.

Thanks for the laugh.

Sarah

2004-03-15 11:26:45 pm

If there were an award for best freakin avatar, that one would win XD Makes me wanna make a public service announcement out of some MGS: TTS footage...*brainstorms*

Faust

2004-03-16 12:35:46 pm

I share the sentiments of most people on TTS. I've only played up through meeting Meryl and I'd have to say the presentation is fantastic but there's something missing from the game. A large part of that is probably the ratio of play-time to cutscene time. I know I should have seen it coming because I've played the original but I found myself getting bored listening to Anderson and Snake talking. I also question the rerecording decision for the voice acting. Why waste time on something that hasn't really changed at all with the end result being worse than the original voice acting?

The weakness seems to be that it relies too much on story and not enough on gameplay in the sense of delivering a "good game". i.e. good game because of story and not much weight on gameplay. That'd be fine if it wasn't a story that most people already know. According to what I've read, there aren't any extras beyond those of the original either, which I find slightly disappointing.

Regardless of it's shortcomings, it's still a good way to kill time. Curiously, when I first bought it, I didn't play it right away but instead loaded up Eternal Darkness.

I share the sentiments of most people on TTS.  I've only played up through meeting Meryl and I'd have to say the presentation is fantastic but there's something missing from the game.  A large part of that is probably the ratio of play-time to cutscene time.  I know I should have seen it coming because I've played the original but I found myself getting bored listening to Anderson and Snake talking.  I also question the rerecording decision for the voice acting.  Why waste time on something that hasn't really changed at all with the end result being worse than the original voice acting?

The weakness seems to be that it relies too much on story and not enough on gameplay in the sense of delivering a "good game".  i.e. good game because of story and not much weight on gameplay.  That'd be fine if it wasn't a story that most people already know.  According to what I've read, there aren't any extras beyond those of the original either, which I find slightly disappointing.

Regardless of it's shortcomings, it's still a good way to kill time.  Curiously, when I first bought it, I didn't play it right away but instead loaded up Eternal Darkness.

el jacko

2004-03-19 06:45:25 pm

I finished the game. Got over the control issues and it kicks arse. Great game overall, and people need to buy it.

Game officially gets the el jacko seal of approval. :)

savage-monkey

2004-03-21 02:23:49 pm

Sweet game. I had already played the original, but I still enjoyed it. The one major issue were the controls but i got used to them in about an hour. I didn't really notice the new cinematics. I just wished I had waited about a week to get this game because the price dropped 10 bucks (that also happened with FF:CC). I don't regret buying the game it's awsome.

Syl

2004-03-21 05:49:19 pm

Quote from savage-monkey:

Sweet game. I had already played the original, but I still enjoyed it. The one major issue were the controls but i got used to them in about an hour. I didn't really notice the new cinematics. I just wished I had waited about a week to get this game because the price dropped 10 bucks (that also happened with FF:CC). I don't regret buying the game it's awsome.

the price hasn't dropped 10$
you just overpayed 10$
MGS:TTS, FF:CC, HM:AWL, Ikaruga, SOAL, Viewtiful Joe, and a few others were all 40$ at launch...

GreenMamba

2004-03-27 11:40:00 pm

What luck, there's french fry stuck in my beard.

Viewtiful Joe was 40 at the launch? Whoops.... I think I got cheated.

The Last Metroid

2004-03-28 07:14:17 pm

Quote from GreenMamba:

Viewtiful Joe was 40 at the launch? Whoops.... I think I got cheated.

Well, that was the MSRP.