Skipping losing your items

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UchihaSasuke: 2010-09-27 10:31:29 pm

2010-09-27 01:11:05 am

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

i made some vids with various stuff against bomb and jump guardian with later items.

edit: vid with Boost guardian stuff and charge combos:

ryu

2010-11-04 08:49:01 am

this is pretty cool

does it allow for a lot of new room skips and route possibilities?

Odylg

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Odylg: 2010-11-22 07:14:07 am

Odylg: 2010-11-22 06:59:17 am

2010-11-09 03:23:19 am

I run this here hotel of an evening

wow i have been gone a long time. congrats on finally skipping the item lossness. can't wait to get home and actually try this out. mayhaps it'll give me a reason to play this again instead of just doing prime and tp runs

EDIT: does this mean the bomb, boost, jump, and spider guardians can be skipped? also if you wait until after getting the light and/or dark beam to get the translator you'd normally get right after bombs (can't remember which one) then you'll end up locked inside the room. oddly enough i couldn't skip the holograph cutscene either

Baby Sheegoth

2010-12-10 12:36:07 pm

Well I find that everytime I reload HCA and get smacked by one of the 'Ghost Splinter' I think. Done it 3 times in a row & you don't need to boost into the crates. I doorwarped into the two rooms with translators though -.-

Odylg

2010-12-10 03:44:17 pm

I run this here hotel of an evening

i almost always get hit by those splinters yet it seems to make no difference to my success rate. if you don't need to boost into the crates do you just boost anywhere in the room? also i tried it on the set of boxes nearest the door and i got the whiteout glitch. luckily i hadn't picked up the map so i got to retry without resetting

Baby Sheegoth

2010-12-10 04:01:31 pm

Yeah I shoot the big web, go right up to the door to the next room in IS then get pwnt by a splinter just because I'm 3/3 when I do that... You need to release a small boost into somewhere you don't hit a wall/small bump and you should be fine.

Odylg

2010-12-26 06:10:48 am

I run this here hotel of an evening

huh. whenever i try it just freezes even if i don't hit a bump or wall. i got the whiteout glitch trying the boxes nearest the door. at the same spot activated the little cutscene of samus landing in the room. i've also gone through all the boxes in the room twice without it freezing, it froze on the first box set in the 3rd room load lol

UchihaSasuke

2010-12-26 01:08:42 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

i find that doing it like how miles did in his vid raises the sucess rate. you'll still get some failures but overall it helps.

toolriot

2011-01-15 04:23:20 am

so what is the lowest plausible percent run now? because i found that you can still use spider ball in a couple places and i was able to replicate certain sw techniques and skipped violet translator under 14% conditions. just curious to see what ppl can do with this kind of break in the game

MilesSMB

2011-01-15 04:37:07 am

Quote from toolriot:

because i found that you can still use spider ball in a couple places

There's only two places (AFAIK) where you "can't use Spider": Main Reactor and Dynamo Works, because the Spider tracks aren't actually working Spider tracks until you defeat the boss and change the room state, and wouldn't work with the actual Spider Ball either (were it possible to get beforehand, though the Spider Ball itself being the trigger for Dynamo Works makes that a bit difficult...).

The lowest known possible percent is now 7%; along with the items skipped in 14%, it also skips the 5 items you start with and the Violet/Amber translators.

toolriot

2011-01-15 05:15:48 am

7% lol that is so savage what next DARK AND LIGHT BEAM SKIPS. there isnt even anything left to skip in the game. *BROKEN*

rekameohs

2011-01-15 04:22:21 pm

Anywhere, everywhere

Light beam CAN be skipped, haha. Not for low%, though.

Odylg

2011-01-19 05:57:23 am

I run this here hotel of an evening

can you skip light and annihilator both?

MilesSMB

2011-01-19 06:00:19 am

No.

Odylg

2011-01-19 06:05:40 am

I run this here hotel of an evening

damn. that'd be crazy

Tahngarthor

2011-01-26 01:54:59 am

Bangaa Bishop

Has the item loss skipping resulted in any records yet? is it likely to?

MilesSMB

2011-01-26 03:12:21 am

I've gotten 1:09 segmented, though I didn't put much effort into it (only spent a couple of days doing it). I want to do it SS at some point, though I'm working on 100% at the moment.

TheMG2

2016-10-02 08:37:43 pm

We're idiots:

Shoutouts to E-Dragon who found a hole in the collision using PWE leading to him finding the secret world

E-Dragon

2016-10-02 09:01:55 pm

Echoes.

MrSpEeDrUn

2016-10-03 04:35:49 am

MP2 also a bit MP1 speedrunning

Dang seems like that could save a good chunk of time especially cause it might be faster to go the other way also yeah NO RNG ILS ANYMORE!,

MaskedKirby

2016-10-03 06:01:51 am

Arbitrary MP2 categories only !

Quote from MrSpEeDrUn:

Dang seems like that could save a good chunk of time especially cause it might be faster to go the other way also yeah NO RNG ILS ANYMORE!,

you would still lose your Items if you are in Hive chamber B even if you are OoB

rekameohs

2016-10-03 01:04:57 pm

Anywhere, everywhere

Haha, that's great. And I would imagine that means Trilogy gets ILS now.

TheMG2

2016-10-03 01:05:49 pm

Yup it sure does mean ILS in trilogy.

Odylg

2016-10-04 04:20:02 am

I run this here hotel of an evening

Quote from MaskedKirby:

you would still lose your Items if you are in Hive chamber B even if you are OoB

Not necessarily.

The "run in and door locks" scene is triggered when the room is transitioned.
Item loss on the other hand happens in the area the portal takes you to.
They're already gone when the "exit portal" scene plays.

If you leave Hive Chamber B without using the portal, reload the room, and go back, the exit scene triggers upon transition. The "you lost things and stuff" messages still show afterward, but you'll have your items.
If there's some way of finding a SW in Hive Chamber B then the issue of 100% would be solved.

Unfortunately I had to use the automatic doors cheat to do it :(

All that being said, "Yay! No more IS!"

Can't wait to test it for myself

MrSpEeDrUn

2016-10-04 08:23:39 am

MP2 also a bit MP1 speedrunning

honestly; no ILS wouldnt be so big in 100%, you'd still have to pick up all the items and the route is already pretty darn optimized. i'd say it'd only save like 5 mins or so.