sequence break and speed trick discussion

2006-05-15 05:49:30 pm

Already found. It's much easier to use a DBJB (boost at the peak of the DBJ). Don't unmorph. It's easy to fall off, so practice it.

iamthejackie

2006-05-15 06:12:02 pm

Alright well now thats outta the way I have a question.

What are some things that cancels out the timer? I know one is cutscenes (Ambilic Cannon activation in Alinos) and the other is teleport pads. I was experimenting with VDO (first trip) for a while and remembered that I have the Imperialist and decided to go to the second part of VDO (after collecting all 3 artifacts that you're suppose to get on the first trip) and beat the boss. Is there any way to get the boss portal to activate again after you beat the second boss? I want to double boss this world because it seems to me to be the easiest.

rekameohs

2006-05-15 06:31:56 pm

Anywhere, everywhere

I confirmed that you can't double boss VDO. Arcterra hasn't been done yet, but VDO is a no go.

Lazylen

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2006-05-15 07:03:01 pm

Quote from iamthejackie:

Alright well now thats outta the way I have a question.

What are some things that cancels out the timer? I know one is cutscenes (Ambilic Cannon activation in Alinos) and the other is teleport pads. I was experimenting with VDO (first trip) for a while and remembered that I have the Imperialist and decided to go to the second part of VDO (after collecting all 3 artifacts that you're suppose to get on the first trip) and beat the boss. Is there any way to get the boss portal to activate again after you beat the second boss? I want to double boss this world because it seems to me to be the easiest.

portals do not cancel out the timer. If you are doing arcterra 1 and go through the magmaul door to get imperialist early (which is apparently a time saver), portal 2 works. However, it does not cancel out the timer.

If you scan the teleport at the top of VDO, you could probably teleport back to the front of the level after VDO 1, though I hardly see the point, as it would probably be almost as fast just to walk the distance back to the ship.

[quote="iamthejackie"]Alright well now thats outta the way I have a question.

What are some things that cancels out the timer?  I know one is cutscenes (Ambilic Cannon activation in Alinos) and the other is teleport pads.  I was experimenting with VDO (first trip) for a while and remembered that I have the Imperialist and decided to go to the second part of VDO (after collecting all 3 artifacts that you're suppose to get on the first trip) and beat the boss.  Is there any way to get the boss portal to activate again after you beat the second boss?  I want to double boss this world because it seems to me to be the easiest.[/quote]

portals do not cancel out the timer. If you are doing arcterra 1 and go through the magmaul door to get imperialist early (which is apparently a time saver), portal 2 works.  However, it does not cancel out the timer.

If you scan the teleport at the top of VDO, you could probably teleport back to the front of the level after VDO 1, though I hardly see the point, as it would probably be almost as fast just to walk the distance back to the ship.

Mr Potter

2006-05-15 07:58:54 pm

Nope. I was experimenting and found something very bizarre. Nintendo allows us to defeat Sylux before his ship shows up. They allow us to get the Imperialist early. They allow us to cancel out the timer on Alinos visit 3. But they clearly anticipated us doing planets "out of order" because if you defeat Cretaphid 2 and try to go to VDO part 2 during the escape, there is a force field in the access hall. I find it odd that they'd block off this but nothing else.

Lazylen

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2006-05-15 08:02:18 pm

Quote from Mr Potter:

Nope. I was experimenting and found something very bizarre. Nintendo allows us to defeat Sylux before his ship shows up. They allow us to get the Imperialist early. They allow us to cancel out the timer on Alinos visit 3. But they clearly anticipated us doing planets "out of order" because if you defeat Cretaphid 2 and try to go to VDO part 2 during the escape, there is a force field in the access hall. I find it odd that they'd block off this but nothing else.

they anticipated that with the force field blocking arcterra 2's magmaul door as well.

Mr Potter

2006-05-16 03:30:35 pm

That's different. In this case, the force field is only there during the VDO visit 1 escape. It's not there before the escape and it's not there after the escape; only during.

iamthejackie

2006-05-16 04:37:57 pm

Hey does anybody know what will happen to Sylux if you finished the VDO 2 first? Do you still have to face Sylux to get the Artifact?

Mr Potter

2006-05-16 05:26:03 pm

Why wouldn't you need to fight Sylux?

Lazylen

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2006-05-16 05:26:57 pm

because you dont need to fight sylux to get the battlehammer... Ultimately, i suppose VDO 2 before VDO 1 could be possible. Someone should check it out.

iamthejackie

2006-05-16 09:32:19 pm

Not fighting Sylux could mean 2 things.

1. You could possibly skip the battle and have the force field gone in front of the Artifact room or
2. You are screwed since Sylux drops the key to that room and without defeating him, you cannot get the key.

Lazylen

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2006-05-16 11:39:55 pm

by doing VDO 2 before vdo 1, i highly doubt that it is going to De-load sylux. Its just one less random hunter battle...

primetime

2006-05-17 12:22:38 am

I just tried VDO 2 before 1 and it works just fine. And sylux doesn't disappear.

Lazylen

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2006-05-17 11:17:51 am

Quote from primetime:

I just tried VDO 2 before 1 and it works just fine. And sylux doesn't disappear.

does he appear if you enter the area during VDO 2 escape?

primetime

2006-05-17 07:25:56 pm

I didn't try that cuz I just assumed he would. And he probably does.

Lazylen

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2006-05-22 04:11:00 pm

This might lead to something, but i dont see how.

If you are escaping with an octolith and stop at your ship (but do not enter), you can let time run out and you will spawn at your ship with the octolith.

iamthejackie

2006-05-22 05:14:17 pm

Lazylen, do you mean like, during the escape you visit your ship (walk on top of it) and then you can walk somewhere else and if you choose yes for continuing, you start from your ship?

primetime

2006-05-22 08:30:47 pm

Oh yeah, I remember that happening to my friend. You just have to be in the room when the time runs out. And you do choose yes.

iamthejackie

2006-05-24 04:16:22 pm

Found another Speed Trick.

In High grounds, after using the teleporter to get to the top floor, aim the Missile at the ground and then Missile Jump Boost (MJB) near the corner of where you are standing and move yourself forward towards the Judicator Door thing. Yeah, saves a bunch of time.

Liku

2006-05-25 01:34:53 am

Teleporter? You mean Jump Pad?

primetime

2006-05-26 01:35:20 am

No, the portal in alinos gateway that goes to the room where you fight spire.

Liku

2006-05-26 01:37:11 am

Oh... got ya!

primetime

2006-05-26 01:44:11 am

Also, using the shock coil on trace the first time you fight him (after beating arcterra 1 boss) kills him really fast. I don't know if it's any faster than the volt driver though cuz I've never been able to do it that way. But it sure is easier.

oh, and I just now remembered that, so don't mind it's randomness.

Liku

2006-06-02 03:33:45 pm

A MUCH easier way to skip the Morph Ball Maze in Echo Hall, discovered it at my girlfriend's house after getting frustrated with the other method:

<edit> I uploaded all my videos to YouTube, so you if you want to check them out(Most are pending right now) go here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/LikuX
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primetime

2006-06-02 07:36:05 pm

That's pretty funny. I can't believe the programmers just left a big gaping hole right there! laugh new

Edit: this is off topic but I just noticed that my sig says my rank is 1234. :P