my umbrella goes directly to Bankai
doing it with a drawing could help but labeling things is still gonna be a nightmare.
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Here it is https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lHvljyOciVygv1T2r0QA55Fpq6zmL7MJOKx-Zph92s4/edit?usp=sharing
Also big thing i forgot to point out is that "|" denotes a situation where the items are interchangeable
Also big thing i forgot to point out is that "|" denotes a situation where the items are interchangeable
loving low%
Nice work Baby Sheegoth!
I remember having begun with such a list like two years ago but I abandonned it as I realised it's close to impossible to get everything 100% correctly since it's so comlicated to find out the true minimum requirements for each item.
I want to tell you that I have found out you can actually get the Missile Expansion in Gravity Chamber without Grapple (and thus w/o Plasma) and without Space Jump. What you have to do, though, is making the Pulse Bombus appear which they do as the room state changes which - as far as I can tell - only be caused by collecting Gravity Suit.
So, what you do is DBJing on that ice-structure and move away from it as much as possible while not falling down of course (which is tricky). The DBJ is being rather easy for some reason since you basically get pushed onto that tiny platfrom on the ice-structure because you some sort of get bounced back by the roof. When you are as close to the edge of that tiny platform you DBJed onto as possible, wait for one of the Pulse Bombus being in the right place and then do an R-dash with R being held for the entire time and while doing this circle the Control Stick so you can turn leftwards (which is the matching part of bending regular dashes forward). I did that dash on my 2nd try (landing on the structure with the Missile Expansion) so I don't think it's that hard. Note that I had used Charge Beam before to get them in a favorable position so it might not be as easy if possible at all w/o Charge Beam. But I'd say it should still be possible w/o Charge Beam.
Summary for your update:
Gravity Chamber Missile Expansion
skipped: SJB, Plasma Beam, Grapple Beam
needed: Wave Beam, Charge Beam (perhaps not needed) and Gravity Suit in regular game (I think in Randomizer you just need to collect that item that's normally Gravity Suit in order for the room state change to occur and thus making the Pulse Bombus appear)
credits: I have read something about in a post by craztad which was posted many years ago. He was trying to get up there from the place you'd normally dash (in 100%, WITH SJB) but I iirc he actually managed to do it but WITH SJB in POSSESSION (not making use of it though). He wrote something about getting a Ghetto-effect from dashing against that bumpy wall so I thought it has got to be frustrating to try so I thought from where else could you possible dash and then i turned around and figured you can DBJ onto a tiny platfrom of that ice-structure and do an R-dash from there. Yay!
I remember having begun with such a list like two years ago but I abandonned it as I realised it's close to impossible to get everything 100% correctly since it's so comlicated to find out the true minimum requirements for each item.
I want to tell you that I have found out you can actually get the Missile Expansion in Gravity Chamber without Grapple (and thus w/o Plasma) and without Space Jump. What you have to do, though, is making the Pulse Bombus appear which they do as the room state changes which - as far as I can tell - only be caused by collecting Gravity Suit.
So, what you do is DBJing on that ice-structure and move away from it as much as possible while not falling down of course (which is tricky). The DBJ is being rather easy for some reason since you basically get pushed onto that tiny platfrom on the ice-structure because you some sort of get bounced back by the roof. When you are as close to the edge of that tiny platform you DBJed onto as possible, wait for one of the Pulse Bombus being in the right place and then do an R-dash with R being held for the entire time and while doing this circle the Control Stick so you can turn leftwards (which is the matching part of bending regular dashes forward). I did that dash on my 2nd try (landing on the structure with the Missile Expansion) so I don't think it's that hard. Note that I had used Charge Beam before to get them in a favorable position so it might not be as easy if possible at all w/o Charge Beam. But I'd say it should still be possible w/o Charge Beam.
Summary for your update:
Gravity Chamber Missile Expansion
skipped: SJB, Plasma Beam, Grapple Beam
needed: Wave Beam, Charge Beam (perhaps not needed) and Gravity Suit in regular game (I think in Randomizer you just need to collect that item that's normally Gravity Suit in order for the room state change to occur and thus making the Pulse Bombus appear)
credits: I have read something about in a post by craztad which was posted many years ago. He was trying to get up there from the place you'd normally dash (in 100%, WITH SJB) but I iirc he actually managed to do it but WITH SJB in POSSESSION (not making use of it though). He wrote something about getting a Ghetto-effect from dashing against that bumpy wall so I thought it has got to be frustrating to try so I thought from where else could you possible dash and then i turned around and figured you can DBJ onto a tiny platfrom of that ice-structure and do an R-dash from there. Yay!
loving low%
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this is super un-necessary just use the charge beam to get the bombu to push you into the ledge
Oh shit and I totally didn't think at that! >_>
Anyway, with my setup, it might be possible without Charge Beam so it would still be something.. After all, tho, the whole point in doing that is to skip both SJB and plasma/ grapple at the same time which is kinda rare; it's not gonna see much play since oh well what are the chances you have to do that in a randomizer? ^^
Edit history:
rekameohs: 2015-06-13 03:15:33 pm
rekameohs: 2015-06-13 03:15:33 pm
rekameohs: 2015-06-13 03:09:43 pm
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That error comes up when the randomizer fails to create a txt file log when it is run. Tested a few cases on my end without an error, so I don't know how that's coming up. It might be best to just delete the whole "tools" folder and unzip it again. Also, it's probably be best to dump the "prime1" folder again. Within that folder should be "randomizer_files" and "root". Within "root" should be the dumped game, "Metroid1.pak", "Metroid2.pak", etc.
If the error still comes up, I can send you a version without that error check and we can see if the randomizer is indeed running and the error is being displayed wrongly.
If the error still comes up, I can send you a version without that error check and we can see if the randomizer is indeed running and the error is being displayed wrongly.
This seed...
Seed: 1257285846
Excluded pickups: 5 19 28
Chozo - - - Main Plaza (Half-pipe) - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Main Plaza (Grapple ledge) - - - - - - X-Ray Visor
Chozo - - - Main Plaza (Tree) - - - - - - - - - - Super Missile
Chozo - - - Main Plaza (Locked door) - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Ruined Fountain - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Ruined Shrine ("Beetle battle") - - - Morph Ball
Chozo - - - Ruined Shrine (Half-pipe) - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Ruined Shrine (Lower tunnel) - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Vault - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Chozo - - - Training Chamber - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Ruined Nursery - - - - - - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Chozo - - - Training Chamber Access - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Chozo - - - Magma Pool - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Tower of Light - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Tower Chamber - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Ruined Gallery (Missile wall) - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Ruined Gallery (Morph tunnel) - - - - Power Bomb Expansion
Chozo - - - Transport Access North - - - - - - - - Charge Beam
Chozo - - - Gathering Hall - - - - - - - - - - - - Artifact of Nature
Chozo - - - Hive Totem - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Launcher
Chozo - - - Sunchamber (Flaahgra) - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Sunchamber (Ghosts) - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Watery Hall Access - - - - - - - - - - Flamethrower
Chozo - - - Watery Hall (Scan puzzle) - - - - - - Space Jump Boots
Chozo - - - Watery Hall (Underwater) - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Dynamo (Lower) - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Dynamo (Spider track) - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Burn Dome (Missile) - - - - - - - - - Varia Suit
Chozo - - - Burn Dome (I. Drone) - - - - - - - - - Bombs
Chozo - - - Furnace (Spider tracks) - - - - - - - Ice Spreader
Chozo - - - Furnace (Inside Furnace) - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Chozo - - - Hall of the Elders - - - - - - - - - - Thermal Visor
Chozo - - - Crossway - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phazon Suit
Chozo - - - Elder Chamber - - - - - - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Chozo - - - Antechamber - - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Phendrana Shorelines (Behind ice) - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Phendrana Shorelines (Spider track) - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Chozo Ice Temple - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Ice Ruins West - - - - - - - - - - - - Spider Ball
Phendrana - Ice Ruins East (Behind ice) - - - - - Artifact of World
Phendrana - Ice Ruins East (Spider track) - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Chapel of the Elders - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Ruined Courtyard - - - - - - - - - - - Artifact of Spirit
Phendrana - Phendrana Canyon - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Quarantine Cave - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Lab Hydra - - - - - - - - - - Power Bomb Expansion
Phendrana - Quarantine Monitor - - - - - - - - - - Artifact of Warrior
Phendrana - Observatory - - - - - - - - - - - - - Power Bomb Expansion
Phendrana - Transport Access - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Control Tower - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Core - - - - - - - - - - - - Artifact of Wild
Phendrana - Frost Cave - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Lab Aether (Tank) - - - - - - Energy Tank
Phendrana - Research Lab Aether (Morph track) - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Gravity Chamber (Underwater) - - - - - Gravity Suit
Phendrana - Gravity Chamber (Grapple ledge) - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Storage Cave - - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Security Cave - - - - - - - - - - - - Power Bombs
Tallon - - Landing Site - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wave Beam
Tallon - - Alcove - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Tallon - - Frigate Crash Site - - - - - - - - - - Artifact of Elder
Tallon - - Overgrown Cavern - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Tallon - - Root Cave - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Tallon - - Artifact Temple - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Tallon - - Transport Tunnel B - - - - - - - - - - Ice Beam
Tallon - - Arbor Chamber - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Tallon - - Cargo Freight Lift to Deck Gamma - - - Missile Expansion
Tallon - - Biohazard Containment - - - - - - - - Power Bomb Expansion
Tallon - - Hydro Access Tunnel - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Tallon - - Great Tree Chamber - - - - - - - - - - Plasma Beam
Tallon - - Life Grove Tunnel - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Tallon - - Life Grove (Start) - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Tallon - - Life Grove (Underwater spinner) - - - Missile Expansion
Mines - - - Main Quarry - - - - - - - - - - - - - Artifact of Chozo
Mines - - - Security Access A - - - - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Mines - - - Storage Depot B - - - - - - - - - - - Wavebuster
Mines - - - Storage Depot A - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Mines - - - Elite Research (Phazon Elite) - - - - Energy Tank
Mines - - - Elite Research (Laser) - - - - - - - - Artifact of Sun
Mines - - - Elite Control Access - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Mines - - - Ventilation Shaft - - - - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Mines - - - Phazon Processing Center - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Mines - - - Processing Center Access - - - - - - - Artifact of Lifegiver
Mines - - - Elite Quarters - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Mines - - - Central Dynamo - - - - - - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Mines - - - Metroid Quarantine B - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Mines - - - Metroid Quarantine A - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Mines - - - Fungal Hall B - - - - - - - - - - - - Grapple Beam
Mines - - - Phazon Mining Tunnel - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Mines - - - Fungal Hall Access - - - - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Magmoor - - Lava Lake - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Magmoor - - Triclops Pit - - - - - - - - - - - - - Boost Ball
Magmoor - - Storage Cavern - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - - Transport Tunnel A - - - - - - - - - - Artifact of Newborn
Magmoor - - Warrior Shrine - - - - - - - - - - - - Artifact of Truth
Magmoor - - Shore Tunnel - - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - - Fiery Shores (Morph track) - - - - - - Artifact of Strength
Magmoor - - Fiery Shores (Warrior Shrine tunnel) - Energy Tank
Magmoor - - Plasma Processing - - - - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Magmoor - - Magmoor Workstation - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Seed: 1257285846
Excluded pickups: 5 19 28
Chozo - - - Main Plaza (Half-pipe) - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Main Plaza (Grapple ledge) - - - - - - X-Ray Visor
Chozo - - - Main Plaza (Tree) - - - - - - - - - - Super Missile
Chozo - - - Main Plaza (Locked door) - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Ruined Fountain - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Ruined Shrine ("Beetle battle") - - - Morph Ball
Chozo - - - Ruined Shrine (Half-pipe) - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Ruined Shrine (Lower tunnel) - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Vault - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Chozo - - - Training Chamber - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Ruined Nursery - - - - - - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Chozo - - - Training Chamber Access - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Chozo - - - Magma Pool - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Tower of Light - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Tower Chamber - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Ruined Gallery (Missile wall) - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Ruined Gallery (Morph tunnel) - - - - Power Bomb Expansion
Chozo - - - Transport Access North - - - - - - - - Charge Beam
Chozo - - - Gathering Hall - - - - - - - - - - - - Artifact of Nature
Chozo - - - Hive Totem - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Launcher
Chozo - - - Sunchamber (Flaahgra) - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Sunchamber (Ghosts) - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Watery Hall Access - - - - - - - - - - Flamethrower
Chozo - - - Watery Hall (Scan puzzle) - - - - - - Space Jump Boots
Chozo - - - Watery Hall (Underwater) - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Dynamo (Lower) - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Dynamo (Spider track) - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Chozo - - - Burn Dome (Missile) - - - - - - - - - Varia Suit
Chozo - - - Burn Dome (I. Drone) - - - - - - - - - Bombs
Chozo - - - Furnace (Spider tracks) - - - - - - - Ice Spreader
Chozo - - - Furnace (Inside Furnace) - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Chozo - - - Hall of the Elders - - - - - - - - - - Thermal Visor
Chozo - - - Crossway - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Phazon Suit
Chozo - - - Elder Chamber - - - - - - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Chozo - - - Antechamber - - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Phendrana Shorelines (Behind ice) - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Phendrana Shorelines (Spider track) - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Chozo Ice Temple - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Ice Ruins West - - - - - - - - - - - - Spider Ball
Phendrana - Ice Ruins East (Behind ice) - - - - - Artifact of World
Phendrana - Ice Ruins East (Spider track) - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Chapel of the Elders - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Ruined Courtyard - - - - - - - - - - - Artifact of Spirit
Phendrana - Phendrana Canyon - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Quarantine Cave - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Lab Hydra - - - - - - - - - - Power Bomb Expansion
Phendrana - Quarantine Monitor - - - - - - - - - - Artifact of Warrior
Phendrana - Observatory - - - - - - - - - - - - - Power Bomb Expansion
Phendrana - Transport Access - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Control Tower - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Core - - - - - - - - - - - - Artifact of Wild
Phendrana - Frost Cave - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Lab Aether (Tank) - - - - - - Energy Tank
Phendrana - Research Lab Aether (Morph track) - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Gravity Chamber (Underwater) - - - - - Gravity Suit
Phendrana - Gravity Chamber (Grapple ledge) - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Storage Cave - - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Security Cave - - - - - - - - - - - - Power Bombs
Tallon - - Landing Site - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wave Beam
Tallon - - Alcove - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Tallon - - Frigate Crash Site - - - - - - - - - - Artifact of Elder
Tallon - - Overgrown Cavern - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Tallon - - Root Cave - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Tallon - - Artifact Temple - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Tallon - - Transport Tunnel B - - - - - - - - - - Ice Beam
Tallon - - Arbor Chamber - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Tallon - - Cargo Freight Lift to Deck Gamma - - - Missile Expansion
Tallon - - Biohazard Containment - - - - - - - - Power Bomb Expansion
Tallon - - Hydro Access Tunnel - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Tallon - - Great Tree Chamber - - - - - - - - - - Plasma Beam
Tallon - - Life Grove Tunnel - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Tallon - - Life Grove (Start) - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Tallon - - Life Grove (Underwater spinner) - - - Missile Expansion
Mines - - - Main Quarry - - - - - - - - - - - - - Artifact of Chozo
Mines - - - Security Access A - - - - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Mines - - - Storage Depot B - - - - - - - - - - - Wavebuster
Mines - - - Storage Depot A - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Mines - - - Elite Research (Phazon Elite) - - - - Energy Tank
Mines - - - Elite Research (Laser) - - - - - - - - Artifact of Sun
Mines - - - Elite Control Access - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Mines - - - Ventilation Shaft - - - - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Mines - - - Phazon Processing Center - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Mines - - - Processing Center Access - - - - - - - Artifact of Lifegiver
Mines - - - Elite Quarters - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Mines - - - Central Dynamo - - - - - - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Mines - - - Metroid Quarantine B - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Mines - - - Metroid Quarantine A - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Mines - - - Fungal Hall B - - - - - - - - - - - - Grapple Beam
Mines - - - Phazon Mining Tunnel - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Mines - - - Fungal Hall Access - - - - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Magmoor - - Lava Lake - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Magmoor - - Triclops Pit - - - - - - - - - - - - - Boost Ball
Magmoor - - Storage Cavern - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - - Transport Tunnel A - - - - - - - - - - Artifact of Newborn
Magmoor - - Warrior Shrine - - - - - - - - - - - - Artifact of Truth
Magmoor - - Shore Tunnel - - - - - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - - Fiery Shores (Morph track) - - - - - - Artifact of Strength
Magmoor - - Fiery Shores (Warrior Shrine tunnel) - Energy Tank
Magmoor - - Plasma Processing - - - - - - - - - - Energy Tank
Magmoor - - Magmoor Workstation - - - - - - - - - Missile Expansion
loving low%
So what's the any% WR for randomizer? I'm not talking about the first playthrough of a random seed; I'm referring to a certain random seed that anyone has randomly gotten and kept on optimizing for fun. I assume this is a very extraordinarily fast seed with Wave Beam in Landing Site and Ice Beam in Transport Tunnel B, SJB in Watery Hall, Phazon Suit in Crossway and finally Plasma Beam in Great Tree Chamber?!