pokemon sun/moon

2016-11-26 02:27:21 pm

Also, how the fuck do people get through the main game that fast? It took me 35 hours to get through the story and beat the League.

Serris

2016-11-26 02:32:07 pm

I mean, you should, the only time Swords Dance isn't correct to use is if there's only one opponent and you can 1shot it lol

Idkbutlike2

2016-11-26 02:37:32 pm

I just feel like I'm wasting a turn whenever I'm not dealing damage. I'm too used to JRPGs with multiple party members where you divvy up the roles and someone is usually always attacking or using items.

arkarian

2016-11-26 02:38:32 pm

red chamber dream

Quote from Idkbutlike2:

All these years, and I still don't value buffs and debuffs in Pokemon.

really? wow, i've been using them a ton. ribombee's quiver dance in particular is great. quiver dance is just op. debuffs are totally useless though, yeah.

you certainly never need to use buffs in the main game, but they do speed up the longer battles. they're key to competitive play as well of course

Serris

2016-11-26 02:39:13 pm

Swords Dance literally doubles your damage in one turn so at worst the battle takes as long as without using it

Idkbutlike2

2016-11-26 02:39:19 pm

Feather Dance has been pretty useful for me in the single player.

arkarian

2016-11-26 02:39:21 pm

red chamber dream

Quote from Idkbutlike2:

I just feel like I'm wasting a turn whenever I'm not dealing damage. I'm too used to JRPGs with multiple party members where you divvy up the roles and someone is usually always attacking or using items.

well, yeah, you don't use them in that case

you only use swords dance, for example, if your mon is going to be in long enough for it to matter, or if you're fighting something that resists all your moves

arkarian

2016-11-26 02:39:56 pm

red chamber dream

i also like swords dance because it helps save pp. now that i'm in the late game, my mons mostly have 5 or 10 pp moves, and those go quick

Serris

2016-11-26 02:41:37 pm

Also Incineroar learned Outrage on top of Thrash, so if nothing else it can be the king of PP efficiency!

arkarian

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arkarian: 2016-11-26 02:42:35 pm

2016-11-26 02:42:11 pm

red chamber dream

haha

i didn't let mine learn outrage, i'm running flare blitz, d. lariat, leech life, and sd

Serris

2016-11-26 02:43:15 pm

And then I learned it loses 30 base speed upon evolving ...

And I still don't know where to buy X Speed so that was fun

arkarian

2016-11-26 02:43:36 pm

red chamber dream

ah man now the X items are ones i never use

they're so broken lol

arkarian

2016-11-26 02:43:55 pm

red chamber dream

can basically turn any mon into a god, which kind of defeats the purpose of building a balanced team

Serris

2016-11-26 02:45:20 pm

They're not worth the money outside of big fights anyway

Would just have been nice to have 1 X Speed for every Elite 4 fight

Oh well

arkarian

2016-11-26 02:58:06 pm

red chamber dream

quiver dance or dragon dance

ryu

2016-11-26 05:34:58 pm

omg it's like they just removed the volcano challenge

arkarian

2016-11-26 05:37:12 pm

red chamber dream

lol @ people who make those videos

gf designs the series for kids aged 4-6

get ooooooooover it

Serris

2016-11-26 05:37:54 pm

I think it's pretty impossible to make PvE Pokemon challenging in a fun/strategic way unless they completely redesign the combat

arkarian

2016-11-26 05:38:16 pm

red chamber dream

yeah also that

and it will always be "easy" for people who grind a lot

arkarian

2016-11-26 05:38:35 pm

red chamber dream

it's an rpg, if you want to make it hard, just make it harder by putting limits on yourself

nuzlocke for example is a fantastic way to make pokemon more challenging

Idkbutlike2

2016-11-26 07:19:37 pm

Honestly, the only time I feel challenge boosts the fun factor in an RPG is when you have tough side bosses and bonus dungeons to go through.

arkarian

2016-11-26 07:21:55 pm

red chamber dream

agreed. when an rpg gets "challenging" that usually just means frustrating to me. see: several bosses in many tales games

when you can just grind to get around a challenge, i don't see the point. rpgs are about having fun

arkarian

2016-11-26 07:24:29 pm

red chamber dream

oh yeah and people who just use their starter to power through a pokemon game and then complain it's too easy can also shut up

go missing half the fun

Idkbutlike2

2016-11-26 07:24:59 pm

Some people like the way MegaTen games handle high difficulty, but I kind of don't.

arkarian

2016-11-26 07:26:15 pm

red chamber dream

oh weird, i've never heard "megaten" before, just "smt"

but i haven't played any smt games so i wouldn't know that community