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It is bare-boned. The stat and damage mechanics in series like FF, DQ, and SMT are way more complex than Pokemon.
red chamber dream
what about

typing
abilities
held items
entry hazards
weather
status conditions
vast, vast, vast amount of moves with all sorts of effects
stat raising/lowering/passing
Also every time I make a post here (via iPhone) it gives me an error saying there's no more posts on this page, and boots me back to the index
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Prime Hunter: 2013-10-04 10:42:20 pm
The main problem is that the game's are still targeted towards kids and having competitive teams, movesets, and strategies would probably be too much to deal with if every single opponent utilized that. I'd love to see it as an advanced difficulty setting but I doubt we're ever going to get much more than we have been.

Challenge mode was a pretty good start though.
red chamber dream
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Let's hope we get that coordinated properly this time. We never did get that off the ground when BW came out.

yeah that was my fault, it won't be a problem this year though. i vote we don't have a tournament until we know there's enough interest
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what about

typing
abilities
held items
entry hazards
weather
status conditions
vast, vast, vast amount of moves with all sorts of effects
stat raising/lowering/passing

Take away weather and a lot of RPGs have these things with even more stuff under the hood.
red chamber dream
i know of no other game with the amount of abilities pokemon has

pokemon's strength has always been in numbers, the sheer amount of memorization you need to do in order to be good at the metagame is astounding
red chamber dream
not to mention there's 650 pokemon all with different stats
red chamber dream
yeah prime hunter the problem with challenge mode is that in the previous games in order to fully train the team you wanted, it takes hours and hours ... i'm hoping the new stat training in xy makes things much faster. shame we'll still have to reset for natures though
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I see how it is

Ya'll are grabbing the water Pokemon to counter my fire starter

Buncha dicks all up in here Not talking

I don't think that will be as bad this time around since there's the dual type triangles at work with the starters.
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Idkbutlike2: 2013-10-04 10:46:44 pm
Well, here's the thing. The scope of all this meta shit gets narrowed down a lot by the fact that most Pokemon battles are 1 on 1 and can primarily be won by sweeping your opponent. RPGs where you have bigger parties and more enemies to fight at once usually allow more of the "black maths" that drive them to spill into the battle, allowing for way more things to happen.
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Prime Hunter: 2013-10-04 10:48:24 pm
Err... wait a second. I have that backwards, don't I? They've got it lined up so both triangles go in the same direction.
red chamber dream
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The scope of all this meta shit gets narrowed down a lot by the fact that most Pokemon battles are 1 on 1 and can primarily be won by sweeping your opponent.

you clearly haven't ever watched an ou battle ... sweeps almost never happen in any gen except maybe 3
Quote from Idkbutlike2:
The scope of all this meta shit gets narrowed down a lot by the fact that most Pokemon battles are 1 on 1 and can primarily be won by sweeping your opponent.

It's kind of disappointing that more people don't like double and triple battles from what I understand because that would certainly help with this.
red chamber dream
but yes, the main story in pokemon is easy, i'm not arguing against that lol
Well the competitive Pokemon scene is kind of terrible, so...
red chamber dream
why do you say that?
Because trying to make a mainly meta-game driven battle system competitive isn't a good idea.
red chamber dream
i don't get it
What's not to get?
red chamber dream
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meta-game driven battle system

what do you mean by this
red chamber dream
pokemon's metagame IS its competitive scene
Meaning it's more driven by external factors than actual player skill.
red chamber dream
how is that the case?
red chamber dream
there's some luck in pokemon, but there's luck in plenty of competitive games