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professional chin scratcher
Yea wall jumping off a wall into morph requires just one button press on the down direction, but for some reason I go through phases in my speed running career lol where it's just not working for me on this shortcut. It sometimes irritates me a lot that I mess a little thing like that up but luckily master-88 told me about this trick after he watched my original 37 minute run where I made a complete mess of the shortcut for the same reason. I was going through a bad patch with it.

You'll get there in the end with the giant metroid skip, believe it lol. It is hard and i do screw it up a lot. i messed it up 5 times in a row the other day. But there is a skill to the jumping isn't there ? I'd loved to have it included in my future any% and 100% run. Actually forgot to say. I done a SS 100% run last night for fun and to recap all we have learned. The run was crap but i did a 2 rounder on phantoon. This is getting easier. woopeeee !. and at the end I did a giant metroid skip. I was very happy lol. But you'll do it. Trust me.

I like the neat trick. It's funny when I pressed record and then trying to think of a name for it that's the first thing that come into my head lol. Its like the hero shot I think is a funny name. Because hero of the day discovered it.

I'm glad you can do the norfair elevator room strat. I thought to myself how can I make this section just one flow without stopping and all the ideas came together. And all the placement and positioning seemed to work nicely to be a comfortable method to do anytime. It's like the developers new you could do that haha!

Thta's ok about my 14% run. It's nothing special but it has some funny mistakes in it. Three of them which you can't miss lol

I've been a bit lazy too in. I should be treating this 14% run a bit more seriously with more practicing. I guess a break could be calling me everytime i think about doing that the game calls me back. I think sometime next month I could produce some results maybe.

Also the reeve trick outside wrecked ship is good and is definatly worth it. It's not hard but can be risky if your not concentrating and you fly too far or press back too soon, which I have done.
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lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-04-25 01:20:05 pm
My name is 4N6/Forensics.
My bad I meant the lower Norfair Room after Ridley. Whoops! I corrected my post. I love that elevator strat BTW. Its really incredible and I would have to try that if I don't go early the Power Bomb route.
professional chin scratcher
Ahh right hehehe ! well I'm glad that one it's working for you anyway. I just shoot and jump imediatly after, its quite effective isn't it
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lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-04-25 01:51:29 pm
lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-04-25 01:49:13 pm
lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-04-25 01:48:01 pm
My name is 4N6/Forensics.
LOL. It really is. Not only is it faster its cooler looking. You guys find out a lot of interesting and very useful things. I need to contribute more. LOL. Anyway I figured you knew about the Morphball after a wall jump but, you never know who might need an explanation. Sometimes I miss that stupid jump up as well. Its usually when I tired though.
professional chin scratcher
It is cool. Ahh you've found loads of awesome stuff for us. Most of my smv' are snippets of what I did in my runs anyway. Well on that last post where I had 4 or 5 smv's lol. Your doing just fine !

I've no idea what happens to me on that shortcut sometimes. I feel I'm pressing everything correctly too. Nope, in fact I KNOW I'm pressing everything correctly LOL. Glad there is master-88's other method, abeit slightly slower one but least it get me up that damn wall !
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lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-04-25 02:07:25 pm
lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-04-25 02:07:02 pm
My name is 4N6/Forensics.
Well if you did pull off a recovery move like that it would be really sick. I don't know if you noticed but, lately the only people posting in the Super Metroid section have been you, Reeve and I. Also sometimes Quietus as well. Not that that is a bad thing. I'm actually glad Reeve has joined the conversation. We now have a Super Metroid trinity on the forums. LOL. My brother also joined the forums but, he doesn't post because its a hassle for him.
professional chin scratcher
I think this game has been explored to death and we are the last wave of people (at least for the time being) who are interested in uncovering more unnassisted tricks. It's amazing what once people thought this or that was not feasible on console now are totally doable tricks that we are proving them to be. As a result, speed runs can only get better. It's good that reeve has joined in the discution. I can tell he's a good speed runner and more people there are discussing these things the better.
I'm glad to be able to contribute with something to this game, i always loved it. I have to thank Red Scarlet for her 100% speedrun, that's what called me back to the game. After seeing her video i've found tas.videos.org and it's amazing videos, and since then i'm always around looking for something new about this game. Sometime ago i met Smokey on the forum and we tried to find on an any% run, what could be done to beat Hotarubi. Unhappylly Smokey is out of time now, hope he join us soon.
Have to thank Hotarubi for his any% run wich looked like a TAS. He kinda revolutioned the Super Metroid speedruns by using tricks that we woudn't thought possible on a console run. Thanks to him, now i try every little trick to know if is or not possible.
It would be nice to have with us, Red Scarlet, Smokey and Hotarubi to discuss the new finds.
I'm looking for a Snes now and soon i'll have one in hands. I'll try to beat my old record that i achieved 30 months ago that was 1:00hr 100% segmented. The new tricks will sure help me in this journey.
professional chin scratcher
Yea i've read the whole topic about hotarubi's return with 31 minutes and I see your contribution to it and I actually watched all the TAS's that you, smokey and saturn were doing at the time for any% runs. Starting with 31 minutes, 30 minutes and then 29. But you reeve ended up with a 28 minute run which is awesome and really shows what kind of time is humanly possible on console, if all conditions are met, like bosses patterns for example and godlike consistancy, somebody out there could be that consistant, I just know it lol.

Smokey actually messaged me on this forum a while back when I was just about to record my 34 any% run. He attached a little segmented any% run as guidance for NTSC. He said that the run was sloppy and the run is to show how many allowences for mistakes are to be had and still get 31 minutes. Unfortunatly I was not aware of this message for about nearly two weeks due to my noobishness at the time so I was unable to reply directly back, plus he also said that he doesn't have the time these days to really contribute anymore. Which is a shame but it's fair enough. We all will come to a time when we'll leave this game alone as other things take over in our lives that are more important.

It's good your getting a snes now reeve. I look forward to hear how your runs come along. I'm sure you can now beat 1:00 easily !

Imagine a team of us. Me, lxx4xnx6xxl, reeve, quietus, cpadolf, saturn, (all the other TAS's, there's loads lol) smokey, red scarlet and hotarubi all joining in on discusions. Man that would be a dream team.
coral to complement blue
There was also this 3-digit-number guy who was pretty serious about getting :30 once upon a time. I'm not sure what happened to him. :P
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lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-04-25 07:29:59 pm
lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-04-25 06:47:31 pm
lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-04-25 06:46:03 pm
lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-04-25 06:45:48 pm
My name is 4N6/Forensics.
Yea what happened to that guy? I think his name was 072. Anyway 072 how is the progress going?

Also I was finally able to Blue Suit Draygon in 2 Rounds!!! grin new

Thanks Reeve!!! The strat you developed is really quite amazing. Also my brother found out if you miss the 3rd Shine Spark or if its not enough to kill him/her. You can either hit him/her with 3 Super Missiles and Short Charge and wait for him/her to appear on the screen and Vertical Shine Spark him/her for the Blue Suit. If you hit him/her with the 3rd Shine Spark but, it doesn't kill him/her just wait and hit him/her with a Vertical Shine Spark for the Blue Suit.
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Reeve: 2010-04-25 11:57:35 pm
Reeve: 2010-04-25 11:45:45 pm
Quote from 072:
There was also this 3-digit-number guy who was pretty serious about getting :30 once upon a time. I'm not sure what happened to him. :P
I know if you say that it's hard to get a 00:30 you'll be lying, cause it's pretty damn hard!I don't know if this is the case, but if you quit getting this time it's not shame. I'll try to get the lowest time in this game as soon as i put my hands on a working Snes and if i can't get a 31 min, 32 min or even a 35 min i'll be fine (desapointed, but fine) because i'll be sure giving my best. I'm glad you didn't quit this game and i know that because you're still around. Even if i can't break a world record i'll be glad just by finding something that helps in that. So i'll keep trying new things and hope you can join us in the discussion of the new tricks, i'll really aprecciate your opinion. By the way, what was your best times in this game, segmented or not, 100% or any%?
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Also I was finally able to Blue Suit Draygon in 2 Rounds!!! grin new Thanks Reeve!!! The strat you developed is really quite amazing. Also my brother found out if you miss the 3rd Shine Spark or if its not enough to kill him/her. You can either hit him/her with 3 Super Missiles and Short Charge and wait for him/her to appear on the screen and Vertical Shine Spark him/her for the Blue Suit.
Congrats on that! Actually, the strat was discovered at the same time by me and Smokey (as far as i know). We were trying to improve an any% run with only savestates and then i found this trick, and so Smokey posted that he had find the same trick. I`ll try to find an alternative and easier way to kill Draygon getting the blue suit. This two rounds it`s only worth in a 100% run as when you get in Draygon`s lair on a any% (if you didn`t stop to refill) you don`t have much health and after hitting Draygon with the 3rd shinespark he uses to inflict too much damage on her. If i find a way to avoid this damage, it will be very helpfull on a any% run too.
coral to complement blue
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By the way, what was your best times in this game, segmented or not, 100% or any%?


I never actually finished a run since I started trying for sub-32 3 years ago. I was on track for a low :31 at best (I was at :15 in Maridia), until around the time Hotarubi did his own :31 SS which made me restart with :30 as the goal. The reason that didn't pan out was because I was trying the nearly-impossible TAS route, despite the fact that :30 was possible with the old route plus a few new modifications and tricks (Delaying Ice Beam until after Maridia, pre-Ridley wrap-around shinespark, skipping the baby metroid). I think I was actually trying for :29, but I don't remember.

Now that there's some activity on these boards after so long, I'm kind of motivated to try again with the old route. So that's something at least.
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lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-04-26 12:59:27 am
lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-04-26 12:58:07 am
lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-04-26 12:57:53 am
lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-04-26 12:56:42 am
lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-04-26 12:35:12 am
lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-04-26 12:30:12 am
lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-04-26 12:27:45 am
My name is 4N6/Forensics.
Yea now I actually been getting it pretty consistently. I could definitely do this in a segmented run now for sure. Its 2 to 3 rounds every time if I'm not botching on my Short Charges or Shine Sparks. In an Any% Run I would just collect Super Missiles and Energy at the pod. Only because you can destroy Ridley with Super Missiles and it gives you energy for the Blue Suit Draygon.

Anyway 072 I'm glad your back its always good to have more people in the Super Metriod community.


BTW quick question. How long have you guys been playing this game?
It`s hard to say how much time i spent playing this game, but i first played it in 1994 when a friend of mine bought the original game motivated by a game magazine. I played it a lot back there but i never had a Snes and i only could play when visiting my friend. We alone found all the 100 itens of the game without help, just searchig and using the X-Ray in every ground, ceiling and wall.

The problem is the game was not too popular and it was hard to find someone to share the experience (i had no computer/internet), and because of that i ended up losing interest. I`ve saw Red Scarlet`s Run three years ago and i felt motivated again in trying the new tricks i`ve never knew about. So i borrowed a friend`s Snes and found the original game to buy. Soon after i entered the digital era buying a PC, found the emulators, tasvideos.org, and Metroid 2002 forum. Since then i`m trying to be always updated about the game.
professional chin scratcher
ahhh sorry 072. Sometimes it's hard to tell if people have left for good or not. I've seen your contribution in topics and I remember seeing your goal of trying to get 30 any%. That is an awesome target to go for !. It's surely possible but is mightily hard. So no worries for not managing it. I'm glad that you've found some inspiration to maybe start again. This is great news !. and I'm thrilled.

I highly suggest the normal route for any% because I actually did a NTSC ''TAS'' route any% run on emulator. The run was fine but if you have a dodgy phantoon or draygon battle (which I did) you'll find that it hardly alters the time from the normal route. I did the wrecked ship lake first time by bomb jumping (savestates) and my completion time was 30 minutes. I was shocked to say the least. I was expecting 28 due to it being the ''faster'' route. It makes sense to go this route but it's so impractical. Anyway it might have been a low 30. But knowing that we can get 30 by the normal route we may as well stick to it.

But if your really coming back to contribute and share discussion with us that would be fanatstic.
I`ve been thinking in doing a little change in the any%/100% route wich i think can save at least 2 seconds. I don`t know why it was not used before by realtime runners, if it`s not faster i think is at least equal in in-game time and you avoid a backtrack that is unecessary.

The change: Already in norfair (first time), instead of going to pick the High Jump Boots, go to the right to get the speedbooster and the Wave Beam and when you`re back in elevator area, go and get the High Jump Boots.

Does anybody know if there is any problem with this route for not using it on console runs?
professional chin scratcher
What would happen is that without the high jumps, collecting the speed bosster is a pain in the ass in the main bubble room, and very hard. Also those fiery rooms before. There's a jump that requires bomb jump to reach a platform. As I've been doing low% runs lately I've found this out.

The big wave beam room is quicker without high jump boots though
Actually, the only problem i see is the bomb jump in the first room after the elevator, but it`s not hard to pull off. I really don`t see any problem in the bubble rooms, could you explain me?
professional chin scratcher
Well it may or may not be as difficult on NTSC but you have to wall jump from the very bottom of the big wall with the cacti on it. The ledges above your head for the wall jumps are very easy hit your head on after every wall jump. You have to position smaus outward so she passes them. It's hard to explain so I would suggest try it out yourself. Like i said though it might be not an issue on NTSC.
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lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-04-26 03:00:41 am
My name is 4N6/Forensics.
Believe what Behemoth said about the Bubble Room Reeve its very difficult. Honestly I can't imagine anyway going that way on a console run. Try it for your self and you will see what we mean. I play NTSC and that room is a bitch.
I know what you`re talking about, i first thought that was the problem too, but there`s other way to do it without missing. Just enter the save room, go to the ledge, open the door and run at full speed and in the other room you just have to jump and wall jump to the top. Easy and not that slow. Try yourselves.
professional chin scratcher
Yea practicing it myself now on PAL. That room is not good LOL. How about though shooting the door for the usual jump to give yourself more run up. Can you make the wall as normal even without the high jump boots on NTSC. On PAL I'm just missing it.
And remember that the door transition doesnt count time, so what seems slow, actually is not.