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LifeMega
2005-12-12 11:09:24 pm
I never said anything about Ice/Diffusion strength, I only pointed out that the Diffusion effect does no damage.
JaggerG
2005-12-13 03:49:42 am
Shifty Leader
That M2k2 guy
Wtf? If you want to please viewers by starting the run early, then unmorph to grab X, it's gonna set a bad precidence and people will expect you to unmorph when you don't actually have to, and call it a fraud before you even get to the jump ball.
SABERinBLUE
2005-12-13 04:14:35 am
Cook of the Sea
Quote from DeathNoble:
Quote from LifeMega:
Quote from DeathNoble:
Alright, by popular demand, there will be no standing to nab floating X.  I will simply wait until I get a recharge room.

But on a note, if it's a red X, I'm after it. No matter what. 'Cuz those things are... Well, ya'll know what red X do.
Or you could just not suck until you get the Jumpball.


Or I could have not started Morph Balling everywhere until after I got the Spring Ball like originally discussed in this topic, but I chose to start right after Arachnus because I thought it would be more interesting to viewers. 


Right, so if you're going to do it, do it right.  It's not interesting to viewers if you say you're doing it and then fudge here and there. 

Quote:
Or you could not be wrong about Fusion stuff, like Ice/Diffusion Missile strengths.  http://www.metroid2002.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3441&start=50 Rolling Eyes


Or you could not bring up stupid pointless random irrelevant crap.
Chanoire
2005-12-13 06:38:34 am
Quote from SABERinBLUE:
Or you could not bring up stupid pointless random irrelevant crap.

Well, it was clearly in response to LifeMega's "or you could just not suck", which was pretty rude.
DeathNoble
2005-12-13 07:22:21 am
Than you, Chanoire.

Everybody's getting all riled up over something I didn't even do in the final version of the run.  I did the first time through my run, and only in the vertical shaft with all the Space Pirates.  And I only did it because I had taken the dip in the lava to nab that early Missile Tank.  If you watch the run I made, I never stood up when I didn't need to just to nab X.

And when I said I was going to stand for red X, that only applied to the run before Spring Ball.  Which means I'd only be standing to nab a boss door red X.  Is it too much to ask to be able to refill for a boss fight?
JaggerG
2005-12-13 08:44:02 am
Shifty Leader
That M2k2 guy
...Isn't it stationary for a second? Can't you lay a bomb, blast a missile, morph and nab it?
DeathNoble
2005-12-13 11:03:30 am
It's the Fake Chozo fight.  You don't have Bombs yet.  I wouldn't even want the X but because I went through the lava for that early Missile tank, I was low on health.

But let's take a quick survey.  I'm going to redo that segment of the Morph Ball run.  Now, does everybody think that I should go for the early Missile Tank in the lava or not?  If you do think I should, then do you think i should be allowed to get the red X from the door or should I just go and fight the Core X on low health?

That is the question.
kwinse
2005-12-13 12:20:33 pm
Can't you get the missile later, when, you know, the lava won't hurt you?
DeathNoble
2005-12-13 02:04:06 pm
Because doing it before getting Gravity so you take damage from the lava is Shocked .

Doing it after you get Gravity so you don't take damage from the lava is  Crying or Very sad .
LifeMega
2005-12-13 04:03:25 pm
Perhaps, but it isn't that difficult a trick to pull off, and since doing it brings up issues of not being a ball, IMO you shouldn't do it. You have to unmorph to jump out, too.
DeathNoble
2005-12-13 04:11:09 pm
You have to unmorph at every ledge you come to in that segment of the run.  Seeing as how you don't have Bombs to blast you up a block in height.

It's not difficult, no not at all.  But during this run, I ask myself what a total n00bie would think when watching the run.  A pure, 100% n00bie would be impressed by it.  They'd be like "Wow, you actually went for it, that's incredible!"  Those kind of statements are what I'm shooting for.  I mean, come on.  It's a Morph Ball run.  Rolling Eyes  It's not going to be impressive to those of us that have been around for a while.
Chanoire
2005-12-13 05:14:29 pm
I think adherence to the rules would take precedence over showmanship in this case, since the whole point of the run is this particular rule.  I realize that without a weapon in morph form at that point your options are limited anyway, but by that token it behooves you to stay as healthy as you can so there's no question of rule-bending. 

Re the red X, since you have to be unmorphed to shoot the boss door, I wouldn't have a problem with jumping to catch the X and morphing in midair to roll through the door.  That particular one you're hanging off a vertical ladder and have to jump to enter the room, right?
JaggerG
2005-12-14 01:39:20 am
Shifty Leader
That M2k2 guy
you don't have to hang on the ladder to hit the eye. I never do. I guess you're right with the eye-door though. I dunno, the way I see it, if you can get the item at any point without unmorphing, I say do it then.
Chanoire
2005-12-14 03:32:04 am
I assume bombs don't hurt boss doors?
JaggerG
2005-12-14 04:14:37 am
Shifty Leader
That M2k2 guy
So did I...never tried it....
DeathNoble
2005-12-14 07:06:36 am
Actually, I don't now.  I've never tried.  I'll let you guys know when I get bombs and get to the Bouncy Plant boss door.  Power Bombs may work, but I doubt regular bombs shall.  Gonna be fun trying to time the Bombs to hit it.  Gonna be even more fun timing the Power Bombs.

EDIT:  Forgot to mention.  Those vids I uploaded to watch require a European rom of Fusion to watch.
JaggerG
2005-12-14 08:32:59 am
Shifty Leader
That M2k2 guy
I'll try for you. I'm saved before the final eye-door. Stupid Ridley. Rabble rabble.

EDIT: There ya go. It definitely doesn't work. Stupid eye. it took like 7 opens to get it right. It kept knocking me back. But I finally got next to it and had it blow up while it was open.
DeathNoble
2005-12-14 09:47:36 am
Try Power Bombs?
JaggerG
2005-12-14 10:19:39 am
Shifty Leader
That M2k2 guy
Nope. I think they cause it to close the eye, but it doesn't hurt it.
DeathNoble
2005-12-14 08:38:24 pm
Confirmed.  Might I to this little Bombs on Boss Door thing:  Flickerbat.
Chanoire
2005-12-14 08:44:31 pm
Hey, it probably helps you, since you're now required to unmorph to kill the door and are more likely to get the red X that way. :P
DeathNoble
2005-12-15 07:19:17 am
Won't be close enough to the door to nab the red X.  The closest you can get to the door...  Still quite a few pixels away from the actual sprite of the X so you can't get it.  I'll take a screen capture and edit this post to show.
JaggerG
2005-12-15 07:28:02 am
Shifty Leader
That M2k2 guy
Which one are we talking about here? The Charge Beam X door? You're not hanging on the ladder, are you? IMO it's even harder that way. I just stand next to it.
DeathNoble
2005-12-15 07:50:40 am
Nah, in the run I uploaded there, I would wait next to the door in Morph Ball mode and onl stand up if it were an eye and not a lens.  The shot from the door isn't enough to blast you off the ledge if you're close enough to the door.

Edit:  Can't get close enough to the door to grab the red X as soon as the door is destroyed.  Not without walking at least.  And walking in any direction in this run is a no-go.

JaggerG
2005-12-15 08:11:20 am
Shifty Leader
That M2k2 guy
Spin jump into it then morph? I'd allow it.