Metroid Prime TAS

2015-03-25 12:56:56 pm

Speedrunner

Oh i see.

I also see T3 are did new WR 21% SS category. He is really skilful Prime player. Thats great to see peoples have crazy amount patients and skills keep runs progress.

Let see new TAS things. Sub 50 minutes run might happen on console skills in future if new tricks could be to find. That TAS frigate was simply awesome and its seems T3 could make this SW on console too. Thats only will save much time future runs.

Probably TAS could find more big time savers in future. Let see.

BioSpark

2015-03-25 03:54:38 pm

well, the tas has already found two pretty big time savers, but they might not be possible or consistent on console

Baby Sheegoth

2015-03-25 04:38:16 pm

Yeah I wouldnt count on either of them being used in even segmented runs any time soon.

Aruki

2015-03-25 04:43:46 pm

I imagine the Frigate wallcrawl could be done in a segmented run. T3's shown it's doable on console; it's just a matter of getting past the pirate. The wallcrawl could probably be made fairly consistent.

Early power bomb though, lol no.

Baby Sheegoth

2015-03-25 04:47:21 pm

No, I could see it being done segmented too, but i just meant you won't see anyone doing it anytime soon... I imagine it would probably only save like ~25s realtime. optimizing the wall crawl would be so hard in realtime.

arkarian

2015-03-25 04:50:02 pm

red chamber dream

correct me if i'm wrong - the first save on your ship once you land on tallon iv free, right?

Aruki

2015-03-25 04:51:45 pm

Yep.

arkarian

2015-03-25 05:24:03 pm

red chamber dream

is there a reason people don't segment every single run?

Aruki

2015-03-25 05:26:50 pm

You mean why do people do single segment runs?

arkarian

2015-03-25 06:16:59 pm

red chamber dream

yeah

Aruki

2015-03-25 06:44:43 pm

Segmented runs are kinda dead in the speedrunning community the last few years actually. Single segment runs make better streams and a lot of people think segmented runs take less skill/are a lesser form of TASes. I don't agree at all, but whatever... I don't really agree with a lot of what the speedrunning community has morphed into recently, definitely part of why I don't speedrun much anymore.

arkarian

2015-03-25 06:56:04 pm

red chamber dream

that's true, but i would think for prime streams it would be more fun to watch a segmented run, especially if you only save once at the ship. who wants to watch the frigate over and over again?

TheMG2

2015-03-25 06:59:10 pm

People want to watch the whole thing. People seriously watch streamers reset over not getting good stats in pokemon for hours.

arkarian

2015-03-25 07:00:02 pm

red chamber dream

yeah i guess i can't pretend to understand speed running anymore

apparently no one cares about the final result, which i thought was the whole point

Aruki

2015-03-25 07:00:32 pm

nope.. it's a lot more competitive these days.

arkarian

2015-03-25 07:00:49 pm

red chamber dream

i don't think those are mutually exclusive

Aruki

2015-03-25 07:01:55 pm

they sort of are. It's faster to iterate on single segment attempts. You start a run, finish in an hour. Do another run, get an improvement. Quality segmented runs can take months to complete a single run. It's less conducive to competition.

arkarian

2015-03-25 07:03:54 pm

red chamber dream

that's usually true, but not when you're talking about a two-segment prime run

TheMG2

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TheMG2: 2015-03-25 07:05:10 pm

2015-03-25 07:04:32 pm

If you're doing a two segment prime run, you might as well make it a 1 segment prime run and get both a single segment and a segmented personal best.

EDIT: Some people do save at the ship at the end of the game and get a slightly better segmented pb by completing the final bosses again though.

arkarian

2015-03-25 07:04:44 pm

red chamber dream

sure, but good luck doing that frigate wallcrawl

arkarian

2015-03-25 07:05:01 pm

red chamber dream

i guess it's early enough in the run that resetting is no biggie though

arkarian

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arkarian: 2015-03-25 07:07:57 pm

2015-03-25 07:07:32 pm

red chamber dream

anyway the only reason anyone cares about the difference between segmented and ss was sda, and who gives a fuck about sda anymore lol

they're just that site that does speed run marathons twice a year

Aruki

2015-03-25 07:20:52 pm

that's not even an SDA thing really. They've always emphasized that it's a speedrunning community event, not SDA. The marathons were recently rebranded under Games Done Quick as well so now SDA's name isn't on it anymore.

Also I seriously doubt frigate wallcrawl is gonna be done in SS runs and nobody is going to bother doing a segmented run with two segments lol. The amount of time you can save by optimizing outweighs time lost by going to save stations.

T3

2015-03-25 07:47:36 pm

...what would be the purpose of doing a 2 segment speedrun? if you really wanted to make a segmented run, why wouldn't you just do a 10+ segment speedrun instead and actually produce a quality run?

i mean obviously you're going to get a faster time by using 2 segments, but then your run is no longer single-segment. unless what you're suggesting is that there should be no distinction made between the two, in which case segmented would have a massive advantage. they're two different things.

arkarian

2015-03-25 08:15:16 pm

red chamber dream

i just want to see the fastest time possible in prime. since the first save at the ship is free, someone could (theoretically) easily beat the current best time. yes, it would be segmented rather than ss, but if that's the way to get a lower time, someone should do it.