making a new suit

2007-11-15 01:00:06 pm

i was wondering if it was possible to make a new suit in the game?
example i wanna change mardia to mostly all acid but you can't beat the game cuz
you would keep dying from it
anyway is it possible? if so how?

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Gaius_4

2007-11-15 01:24:07 pm

Like a new suit greater than gravity? Liek Uber Grabity? I dunno. A mod'll be along shortly to move this to teh hax section. ;)

rolando

2007-11-15 01:29:23 pm

i only ask because in the redesign hack there's a new item called the wall-jump boots
so i figured that if it was possible to make new boots it would be possible to make a new suit

Bolognab

2007-11-15 07:14:11 pm

It's possible. Don't know how though, I'm not a hacker.

Kejardon

2007-11-15 07:32:50 pm

Embarrasing Fact: Power suit made by lowest bidder

People seem to really not understand something about hacking.
Virtually anything is possible. But generally adding new things is difficult and involves a LOT of work. Modifying existing things is generally much easier, but still involves a good bit of work. Taking things out is generally easy and quick.
Most of the stuff in Redesign involved modifying existing things (wall jump boots), only a few things were brand new (shinesparking onto slopes). And some times you'd be surprised what fits into what category: Mid-air spinjump was involved only modification of existing things, and did not require anything actually new - I think I actually only wrote ~10 lines of code to enable it, the rest was from editing entries in the transition tables.
Making a new suit would involve a lot of work: New pause screen to support it (but I've already done that and so my own template can be used if anyone actually needs their own pause screen), new palettes (there are a LOT of palettes involved actually) and graphics (and with how disordered they are, this is also a real pain) and figuring out where to stick them all and how to call them appropriately when needed, and of course the actual functionality of the suit (which would probably be easy in comparison).
Changing Varia or Gravity to a new use would be much easier, though it still involves a lot of work - mainly tracking down all existing details related to them and making sure they're all changed / deleted appropriately.

No, I'm not going to be helping ANYONE with this. If you want to do something like this, learn assembly yourself and everything and do it. I'll share notes so people don't have to repeat things I've already done, but I'm not doing other people's work for them.

People seem to really not understand something about hacking.
Virtually anything is possible. But generally adding new things is difficult and involves a LOT of work. Modifying existing things is generally much easier, but still involves a good bit of work. Taking things out is generally easy and quick.
Most of the stuff in Redesign involved modifying existing things (wall jump boots), only a few things were brand new (shinesparking onto slopes). And some times you'd be surprised what fits into what category: Mid-air spinjump was involved only modification of existing things, and did not require anything actually new - I think I actually only wrote ~10 lines of code to enable it, the rest was from editing entries in the transition tables.
Making a new suit would involve a lot of work: New pause screen to support it (but I've already done that and so my own template can be used if anyone actually needs their own pause screen), new palettes (there are a LOT of palettes involved actually) and graphics (and with how disordered they are, this is also a real pain) and figuring out where to stick them all and how to call them appropriately when needed, and of course the actual functionality of the suit (which would probably be easy in comparison).
Changing Varia or Gravity to a new use would be much easier, though it still involves a lot of work - mainly tracking down all existing details related to them and making sure they're all changed / deleted appropriately.

No, I'm not going to be helping ANYONE with this. If you want to do something like this, learn assembly yourself and everything and do it. I'll share notes so people don't have to repeat things I've already done, but I'm not doing other people's work for them.

rolando

2007-11-15 11:15:37 pm

Quote from Kejardon:

People seem to really not understand something about hacking.
Virtually anything is possible. But generally adding new things is difficult and involves a LOT of work. Modifying existing things is generally much easier, but still involves a good bit of work. Taking things out is generally easy and quick.
Most of the stuff in Redesign involved modifying existing things (wall jump boots), only a few things were brand new (shinesparking onto slopes). And some times you'd be surprised what fits into what category: Mid-air spinjump was involved only modification of existing things, and did not require anything actually new - I think I actually only wrote ~10 lines of code to enable it, the rest was from editing entries in the transition tables.
Making a new suit would involve a lot of work: New pause screen to support it (but I've already done that and so my own template can be used if anyone actually needs their own pause screen), new palettes (there are a LOT of palettes involved actually) and graphics (and with how disordered they are, this is also a real pain) and figuring out where to stick them all and how to call them appropriately when needed, and of course the actual functionality of the suit (which would probably be easy in comparison).
Changing Varia or Gravity to a new use would be much easier, though it still involves a lot of work - mainly tracking down all existing details related to them and making sure they're all changed / deleted appropriately.

No, I'm not going to be helping ANYONE with this. If you want to do something like this, learn assembly yourself and everything and do it. I'll share notes so people don't have to repeat things I've already done, but I'm not doing other people's work for them.

aight cool
at least i know its possible,has a matter of fact i was thinking almost the same thing for like 5 days now
what you said "Changing Varia or Gravity to a new use,though it still involves a lot of work - mainly tracking down all existing details related to them and making sure they're all changed / deleted appropriately."
hmm im gonna have to leaarn this stuff hard body im trying to make a crazy hack of my own

[quote="Kejardon"]
People seem to really not understand something about hacking.
Virtually anything is possible. But generally adding new things is difficult and involves a LOT of work. Modifying existing things is generally much easier, but still involves a good bit of work. Taking things out is generally easy and quick.
Most of the stuff in Redesign involved modifying existing things (wall jump boots), only a few things were brand new (shinesparking onto slopes). And some times you'd be surprised what fits into what category: Mid-air spinjump was involved only modification of existing things, and did not require anything actually new - I think I actually only wrote ~10 lines of code to enable it, the rest was from editing entries in the transition tables.
Making a new suit would involve a lot of work: New pause screen to support it (but I've already done that and so my own template can be used if anyone actually needs their own pause screen), new palettes (there are a LOT of palettes involved actually) and graphics (and with how disordered they are, this is also a real pain) and figuring out where to stick them all and how to call them appropriately when needed, and of course the actual functionality of the suit (which would probably be easy in comparison).
Changing Varia or Gravity to a new use would be much easier, though it still involves a lot of work - mainly tracking down all existing details related to them and making sure they're all changed / deleted appropriately.

No, I'm not going to be helping ANYONE with this. If you want to do something like this, learn assembly yourself and everything and do it. I'll share notes so people don't have to repeat things I've already done, but I'm not doing other people's work for them.
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aight cool
at least i know its possible,has a matter of fact i was thinking almost the same thing for like 5 days now
what you said "Changing Varia or Gravity to a new use,though it still involves a lot of work - mainly tracking down all existing details related to them and making sure they're all changed / deleted appropriately."
hmm im gonna have to leaarn this stuff hard body im trying to make a crazy hack of my own