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red chamber dream
the first three? have you played them?
red chamber dream
think the closest would be action/adventure but they're just so different from shit like zelda
my umbrella goes directly to Bankai
i always thought games like zelda fit into the adventure genre while text-only games were visual novels.

now i see why people call zelda an rpg sometimes...
Well, RPGs as a video game genre did basically start off as math-heavy adventure games.
red chamber dream
generally "adventure" alone would refer to more old-school games like the secret of monkey island, myst, etc. basically, games where you mostly look at static screens and move on by typing or clicking or something. anything where you actually move the character around is action/adventure.
Well, that's true. I guess by that logic, survival horror could be counted as a sub-genre of action/adventure.
red chamber dream
so you don't think it's different enough from other action/adventure games to warrant its own genre?
red chamber dream
like rpgs are?
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Idkbutlike2: 2011-12-11 07:29:52 pm
Not really. AFAIK the horror elements are really the only things that set them apart from that genre. RPGs, on the other hand, kind of have different roots than normal action/adventure games, which is why they have their own genre. That said, there are series like the later Castlevania games and Zelda that you could go on forever arguing about whether they're RPGs or not.
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arkarian: 2011-12-11 07:33:31 pm
arkarian: 2011-12-11 07:33:12 pm
red chamber dream
resident evil basically revolves around never having proper means to take down enemies though. there's a lot of running away, hiding, etc. zelda and other action/adventure games are nothing like that, and i sort of think the difference in gameplay is large enough for it to be called something different.

there are also plenty of horror action/adventure games that i wouldn't consider survival horror. condemned and eternal darkness come to mind.
red chamber dream
also i have no clue why anyone has ever described any zelda game as an rpg (except maybe zelda ii) but that's a topic for another thread.
Yeah, you don't wanna open that can of worms.
AoL and maybe SS are the only ones that come close, yeah. From what I've seen, people tend to describe RPGs differently depending on what they're looking for from the genre. (Leveling up, looting, upgrading things over time, etc. vs actual role playing and making decisions that effect the game world and story, for instance)

I've barely played Resident Evil games before, or many survival horror games for that matter, but there's definitely a difference between having everything you need in a situation and having to scavenge/ration out your supplies in order to survive. Not sure if that warrants a new genre category for it or not, but from what I gather there are a lot of survival horror type games out there even if I can't think of many. If not, what would those games be described as instead?
red chamber dream
they'd be action/adventure i suppose. i can't think of many examples beyond resident evil, silent hill, and clock tower but i'm just going to keep the survival horror genre because i want to.
Indie Lover
well, going by that logic every game is a adventure game cuz, y'know, you have a adventure?

it's like when ppl categorize some games into fantasy something... well, the moment you don't need to go to the bathroom in a game already categorize it as fantasy...
red chamber dream
but you don't really have an adventure in a resident evil game. you try to survive in a creepy mansion. you have an adventure in a zelda or monkey island game.
Adventure really is a broad term I suppose.  I guess any game that has a fictional story is an adventure?  That's nearly every game since 'troid and LoZ.
red chamber dream
yeah, but it's come to describe more specific types of games than that and people typically know when you say "adventure game" you're not talking about call of duty.
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kesvalk: 2011-12-11 08:10:18 pm
Indie Lover
well, shooting lots of terrorists while trying to disarm a nuke is a very big adventure for me...

as opium said, it's very broad to the point you can put almost everything into the genre...

well, you can narrow it down to games that relies heavily on story telling... that would exclude... 70% of the games...
red chamber dream
yes, but there's a facet of common, conventional, and colloquial language where specific words have specific meanings based on context. "adventure" means something more specific than "doing anything adventurous" when applied as a video game genre.
Indie Lover
yeah yeah, i was only going by the logic you guys were using when talking about RE.

also, i think RE is action adventure, cuz there is not much horror in the game anyway (the first 3 included) and it don't have enough of the survival genre to put it on there too...
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kesvalk: 2011-12-11 08:17:15 pm
Indie Lover
you will have a very hard time categorizing things like rune factory and disaster:day of crysis...

rune factory would be a action-adventure, simulation, dating sim and RPG mix...
disaster is like, everything, even racing...
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Opium: 2011-12-11 08:20:05 pm
Opium: 2011-12-11 08:19:34 pm
I think some popular games were so influential that they kinda created a genre, like RE = survival horror.  I don't think that category existed until RE.
I guess if a game is good enough, it gets it's own category and following.
Metroid Prime = first person adventure, lol
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kesvalk: 2011-12-11 08:21:56 pm
Indie Lover
alone in the dark?
and elder scrolls were already a first person adventure...

maybe for consoles, but for PC this 2 genres were already being used to death...
Club 27 Goals
oh yeah ark, what about the MOBA genre? Stuff like LoL, DotA, HoN, and the shitload of random korean ones (I think ijji is?).