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Skull64: 2015-01-27 11:09:38 am
The points are indeed completely arbitrary, but I do have more ideas about how to make the rankings more fair. Right now the system is obviously flawed since, for example, a player with a 1:10 any% and no listed 100% time would have the same amount of points as a person with a 1:20 any% and a 1:42 100%. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume that any player with a 1:10 any% time could easily get a 1:42 100%, but then that begs the question... why haven't they done that yet?

The points system is already set up with an exponentially decaying formula. Going from 0:56 to 0:55 in Prime any% is worth a full 70 points while going from 1:16 to 1:15 is only worth 17 points. It could be argued that it should be even steeper since I'd guess that it's more than 70/17 = 4.1 times as hard to go from 0:56 to 0:55 as it is to go from 1:16 to 1:15.

There's also the issue of the arbitrary maximum points allocated to each category. I tried to do this according to the perceived "prestige" of each category, but I admittedly just made that shit up.

If the consensus is that these rankings shouldn't be part of the leaderboards, then I will remove them.

Quote from kirbymastah:
I recommend not taking it that seriously, the goal of it is to lay out a simple table of what every regular prime series streamer does.


This is how it should be interpreted. Perhaps if I removed the "Rank" column from the left side of the table people would interpret it as less of a competition?
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Quote from kirbymastah:
I recommend not taking it that seriously, the goal of it is to lay out a simple table of what every regular prime series streamer does.


This is how it should be interpreted. Perhaps if I removed the "Rank" column from the left side of the table people would interpret it as less of a competition?


IMO you should probably make some note on how it should be interpreted, or just get rid of the rank column. I'm only one opinion though, so I guess wait for other people to chip in their opinion?
IIRC m177 didn't really like the points system much either.
Quote from MrSpEeDrUn:
Also, ranking peoples purely because of their pbs doesnt make sence, people can be much better than others in a game even though their pb is worse. (ive had that discussion in the sm64 community before....)


Yeah man lets rank people by what they say they can do, not what they've actually done!  <_<



Quote from MrSpEeDrUn:
Why do you rate doing 6/21/17 % i could do each of those. Why the hell does 21% give you 600 points it is not hard to do. Same for 6%. i could finish both in less than 2 days.


You've got to be fucking kidding me......Why don't you PROVE IT THEN instead of just talking shit about the hardest categories in the Prime games....

Quote from TheMG2:
IIRC m177 didn't really like the points system much either.


I personally preferred the old layout.  Not that I'm completely throwing this idea out the window, but it clearly needs works as Skull has already mentioned. 
if you care about arbitrary points/rank, you're speedrunning for the wrong reason.
I'm proposing a new rule: if your handle is "MrSpeedrun" then you automatically get a 5000-point bonus for untapped potential
rocks, locks, and invisible blocks
I was going to write a post about how stupid a point system is in general, but no that sounds pretty good now.
red chamber dream
who gives a shit

record a run if you want recognition ... otherwise shut up
MP2 also a bit MP1 speedrunning
Thats what im saying, rate runners yourself and don't let a point system do it for you.
rocks, locks, and invisible blocks
oh hey, who ever runs the leaderboards put the wrong YT channel for me. https://www.youtube.com/user/itsPersonnal is my main.
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kirbymastah: 2015-01-28 10:51:32 am
Quote from itsPersonnal:
oh hey, who ever runs the leaderboards put the wrong YT channel for me. https://www.youtube.com/user/itsPersonnal is my main.



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I didn't realize my 100% Prime times were on there.  They look terrible when put in the same category as runs with sequence breaks.
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I didn't realize my 100% Prime times were on there.  They look terrible when put in the same category as runs with sequence breaks.


AFAIK skull basically went back through all the old "post your time!" therads for prime 1+2 and added the times. I can remove your times if you want, it's your call.
Yes that is what I did and yes you can be removed if you want
So am I right in assuming that nobody is interested in the leaderboards being switched to SS-only? I'd still keep the segmented runs around, just in a separate document. I personally feel that the document would be much cleaner and less confusing if we switched.
MP2 also a bit MP1 speedrunning
i think its better to mix up segmented and ss runs at this point.
I'm taking the lack of more responses as a "I don't really want to voice an opinion because then I don't get to complain about it anymore." My personal opinion is that the segmented runs shouldn't be on the main leaderboards.
Ideally there'd be an option to have both and just single segment IMO. Though I'd rather have both if we had to choose one; it's pretty clear which are segmented and which aren't IMO
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DJGrenola: 2015-02-03 11:12:03 am
do older runs score more highly than newer ones? just wondering why my 1:38 is ranked fractionally higher than the other 1:38s.

I'd argue that older runs might deserve something of a boost compared to newer ones if you're going to go down the road of having a points system.
yeah they do.
I set up the fractional points so that in the case of a tie, the older run would always rank ahead of the newer run. (And SS ahead of single-segment and hard mode ahead of normal mode.)

I guess I'd disagree that older runs should deserve an extra points boost though. Are you saying that, for example, a 1:10 from 2005 should be worth more than a 1:10 from 2015? The main point of having the rankings to begin with was to promote current runners' streams without leaving them in alphabetical order. I don't think that old runs need to be boosted to account for route changes.
that is what I was suggesting, since newer runners have the benefit of a more modern bag of tricks.

but it was just an observation, which you are welcome to ignore.
Ayyyyyy I have a 1:16 SS now which doesn't beat my 1:10 segmented but I have no proof of that so for now 1:16 will stand as the PB :D
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MrSpEeDrUn: 2015-02-04 03:25:46 am
MP2 also a bit MP1 speedrunning
nice time dude, are you streaming ?

Edit: Also i'd rather put a time upper to the list if the time is actually lower. for instance a ~1:15:15 above ~1:15:50, (even if it is estimated) But that's just a personal oppinion.
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Baby Sheegoth: 2015-02-04 08:33:18 am
I agree with Speedrun's sentiment & yes I am actually - http://www.twitch.tv/tomlube - once I actually remember the route instead of pausing after every item it will be fast. Need to work on the BSJ in the spider shaft too, because that saves like ~2 minutes?

I can "easily" get this time down to about 1:13 before grinding begins

After checking the points system I think it's actually a pretty good idea, I'm not entirely sure how points are awarded though & based on what criteria they are given for, and why Metroid Prime is worth more (?) than Metroid Prime 2

Also, why are some dates highlighted red? I can't seem to figure out a reason why.

If we need proof for Frigate escape times then nevermind but if not my best is a 4:29:!

Also a new PB of 1:15 but reloaded from saves