Launch details for the DS, DS game price...

2004-10-09 10:04:05 pm

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Ready and willing.

Just wondering, does the PSP interest you, RS, or are you happy with what you have for now?

2004-10-09 10:09:52 pm

also tends to discourage pointless version differences, if fusion/zm versus metroid prime is any indication.

edit: crikey, this topic is moving fast. that was in reference to the revelation that the ds is a region-free system.

Red Scarlet

2004-10-09 10:18:36 pm

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

I don't know of anything right now that would make me want to buy a PSP.

arkarian

2004-10-09 10:23:32 pm

red chamber dream

What games are going to be on the PSP as of now?

Red Scarlet

2004-10-09 10:39:21 pm

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

Some MGS card game is all I know about the thing.

Lynk Former

2004-10-10 01:08:41 am

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I don't know. It's hard to be considered a "worthy opponent" in the handheld market when you're up against Nintendo. I personally think that the Game Gear will wind up being more of a threat than the PSP.

You're underestimating Sony.

Ekarderif

2004-10-10 01:29:32 am

Quote from Lynk Former:

Quote from Lucid Faia:

I don't know. It's hard to be considered a "worthy opponent" in the handheld market when you're up against Nintendo. I personally think that the Game Gear will wind up being more of a threat than the PSP.

You're underestimating Sony.

You mistake under with over :P. Nintendo pretty much had a monopoly among the handhelds. Plus, the PSP doesn't have much to offer gamewise. I feel it's like another N-Gage.

Yoshi348

2004-10-10 02:01:47 am

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Ready and willing.

Thanks, Bulleta. Just trying to get a handle on the situation here, cause I'm not sure how this is going to go, but it'll be very important.

Lucid Faia

2004-10-10 03:03:05 am

I guess I can understand your reasons for your lack of interest, RS. And since I don't feel comfortable if I go too long without arguing something, I'll say that Mega Man 5 is much better than Mega Man 4.

Quote from Lynk Former:

You're underestimating Sony.

I doubt it. There's nothing special about Sony's situations, nothing different than Sega and the Game Gear. In North America, the Genesis outsold the SNES, and then Sega tried going handheld and ultimately failed. At the moment, the PSP looks like it will do even worse than that. I for one am enjoying it.

Though I do consider the PS1 the second best system ever, Sony killed Sega, and crippled Nintendo. I'll enjoy seeing them fail. I just hope this and the Revolution can make Nintendo rebound in the console market as well.

Red Scarlet

2004-10-10 04:28:12 am

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

Never played 5, and I am very aware of the general dislike of Mega Man 4. But I still like it a lot! :o I want to get the remake for the PS sometime.

Sega died due to the Sega CD, the 32X, the lackluster games on the US Saturn, loss of faith in the company, and Sony. Not just Sony.

Blame Nintendo, what with it being Nintendo that created Sony for what it, and the Playstation became.

But I doubt you'll do that. :o

Lucid Faia

2004-10-10 05:03:07 am

Well, Nintendo did screw Sony, and Sega was notorious for bad decision making. The Sega CD and the 32X were blah, but a lack of good games certainly wasn't a problem for the underrated Saturn and Dreamcast. NiGHTS into dreams is still one of my personal favorites. And the Saturn was actually beating the PS1 for a while.

But Sony has been losing respect points with me ever since the launch of the PS2. I've heard stories around here about how Sony representatives used to tell game stores to remove Nintendo and Microsoft advertisements, or they wouldn't ship any of the overhyped PS2s to that area. And really, there has just been a decline in good games lately. Whether or not you like Sony, they did make video games more mainstream, and one of the effects that's had is that third parties now make mostly "cool" games instead of fun ones.

I probably place a little too much blame on Sony, but they're a good scapegoat for all of those issues, and I never really liked them anyway, so it works out in the end.

Well, Nintendo did screw Sony, and Sega was notorious for bad decision making. The Sega CD and the 32X were blah, but a lack of good games certainly wasn't a problem for the underrated Saturn and Dreamcast. NiGHTS into dreams is still one of my personal favorites. And the Saturn was actually beating the PS1 for a while.

But Sony has been losing respect points with me ever since the launch of the PS2. I've heard stories around here about how Sony representatives used to tell game stores to remove Nintendo and Microsoft advertisements, or they wouldn't ship any of the overhyped PS2s to that area. And really, there has just been a decline in good games lately. Whether or not you like Sony, they did make video games more mainstream, and one of the effects that's had is that third parties now make mostly "cool" games instead of fun ones.

I probably place a little too much blame on Sony, but they're a good scapegoat for all of those issues, and I never really liked them anyway, so it works out in the end.

Lynk Former

2004-10-10 06:35:56 am

Last generation I would've bet all my money on the Nintendo 64 being the dominant console. But the PS1 quickly became popular and now the PS2 has dominated this generation with Nintendo and Microsoft fighting for second.

The problem is that we're all fanboys/girls of Nintendo here and we all think that Nintendo is god (so to speak lol)... But the fact is, Sony is a huge corporation with a lot of backing and has a huge fan base to tap into.

The PSP is specifically targetting PlayStation fans and there are lot of people who own a Playstation out there. Thinking that the PSP will die out like other competitors the Game Boy line have is like thinking that a human can run faster than a Cheetah just cause it can run faster than a Turtle.

Like I said, this is Sony. Not Sega or some other smaller company. Sony is big and they'll do anything to grab more of the gaming market.

I'm not saying Nintendo will die. I'm saying that Sony has the best chance of grabbing their share of the handheld market than any of the competitors in the past. Sony will start off just like Microsoft did in the console market, but whos to say what will happen in the future...

Last generation I would've bet all my money on the Nintendo 64 being the dominant console. But the PS1 quickly became popular and now the PS2 has dominated this generation with Nintendo and Microsoft fighting for second.

The problem is that we're all fanboys/girls of Nintendo here and we all think that Nintendo is god (so to speak lol)... But the fact is, Sony is a huge corporation with a lot of backing and has a huge fan base to tap into.

The PSP is specifically targetting PlayStation fans and there are lot of people who own a Playstation out there. Thinking that the PSP will die out like other competitors the Game Boy line have is like thinking that a human can run faster than a Cheetah just cause it can run faster than a Turtle.

Like I said, this is Sony. Not Sega or some other smaller company. Sony is big and they'll do anything to grab more of the gaming market.

I'm not saying Nintendo will die. I'm saying that Sony has the best chance of grabbing their share of the handheld market than any of the competitors in the past. Sony will start off just like Microsoft did in the console market, but whos to say what will happen in the future...

Prime Hunter

2004-10-10 08:08:28 am

You know, I suddenly have this feeling that if Nintendo's "Revolution" doesn't sell very well at all, that Nintendo will be in trouble in the console department: What would that be, 3 or so consoles in a row that would be beaten out by Sony if that happened?

Don't get my wrong: I still enjoy playing my Playstation 2 every once in a while, but overall I must say that I prefer my Gamecube much more (I guess that it all comes down to interest in certain games, and the cube has more that I like) It's just that with the cube, there are about 4 or 5 games coming out between now and the end of the year that I could eventulally wind up getting. With the PS2, there's only about 2 or 3 that interest me.

Then there's also the fact that I've been a BIG fan of Nintendo right from the start: back when it first had the NES and then the war with Sega with the SNES. I think that slightly alters my opinion on the whole subject, but in the long run not too much. Like I said, it all depends on what games are released for each console, and if I felt like paying for an entire console for a handful of games (Yeah, right Rolling Eyes

)

However, I also have this feeling that the PSP could take a foothold on the handhelds, but overall probably not enough to dethrone Nintendo. I must admit: After seeing a few vids on some of the new DS games, it seems to me that the DS will be awesome. (Yeah, at first I was a bit skeptical on the whole thing, but the fact that it would make me miss a Metroid game factors into that as well Wink

) To tell you the truth, I really haven't checked out the PSP yet Embarassed

Woah, that's a long post Laughing

(Well, for me anyway...)

Edit: Uh, since when did this topic turn from DS to let's compare how all three companies have been doing? Laughing

You know, I suddenly have this feeling that if Nintendo's "Revolution" doesn't sell very well at all, that Nintendo will be in trouble in the console department: What would that be, 3 or so consoles in a row that would be beaten out by Sony if that happened?

Don't get my wrong: I still enjoy playing my Playstation 2 every once in a while, but overall I must say that I prefer my Gamecube much more (I guess that it all comes down to interest in certain games, and the cube has more that I like) It's just that with the cube, there are about 4 or 5 games coming out between now and the end of the year that I could eventulally wind up getting. With the PS2, there's only about 2 or 3 that interest me.

Then there's also the fact that I've been a BIG fan of Nintendo right from the start: back when it first had the NES and then the war with Sega with the SNES. I think that [i]slightly[/i]  alters my opinion on the whole subject, but in the long run not [i]too[/i] much. Like I said, it all depends on what games are released for each console, and if I felt like paying for an entire console for a handful of games (Yeah, right :roll:)

However, I also have this feeling that the PSP could take a foothold on the handhelds, but overall probably not enough to dethrone Nintendo. I must admit: After seeing a few vids on some of the new DS games, it seems to me that the DS will be [b]awesome[/b]. (Yeah, at first I was a bit skeptical on the whole thing, but the fact that it would make me miss a Metroid game factors into that as well :wink:) To tell you the truth, I really haven't checked out the PSP yet :oops:

Woah, that's a long post  :lol: (Well, for me anyway...)

Edit: Uh, since when did this topic turn from DS to let's compare how all three companies have been doing?  :lol:

GreenMamba

2004-10-10 09:29:39 am

What luck, there's french fry stuck in my beard.

The game industry sucks nowadays.

Izo

2004-10-10 09:38:28 am

soaking through

That's a bit of a harsh generalisation. If it sucks now, when didn't it suck?

Syl

2004-10-10 11:05:06 am

Not-so-random-comment:
If you own a PS2, buy Katamari Damacy. Don't question why, just go out and BUY IT, BUY IT NOW. (only $20)

Anyway, back on topic.

I need to see a few more details about the PSP, price is the major issue right now, same with battery life. Reggie just flat out said in public "The PSP has no battery life, what the hell can you do with only 2 hours of playtime? The DS is going to at leat equal or mirror the SP on our end" (well, thats basicly what he said) which means that sony HAS to respond with an answer, and it with the right marketing (something i think regie can do) he could easily bring upon the end of the PSP.

Sony, however, does have brand name recognition, however, it is obvious that the DS is going to come out first, so, with some fierce marketing and the right amount of titles from the beginning, nintendo can easily keep its control on the market.

More importantly, probably MOST importantly. Sony doesn't have Pokemon. Pokemon games are the absolute best selling console games that exist at the moment, they come in pairs, and each game manages to nearly surpass Madden in sales (combined, they easily own it). Pokemon leaf green/fire red + price drop for the SP = 80% better SP sales and 2 more million sellers already (they haven't even been out a month) and thats just a pokemon REMAKE.
Nintendo just needs to drop the price of the DS to $100 before pokemon diamond/pearl come out, they'll sell millions of DS's and games, absolutely no problem at all. Furthermore, with an extra million DS's floating around, all other software will sell better.

Furthermore, there is no chance for a GTA-PSP, and sony has very few killer aps that will be psp exclusive, Square is basicly saying "fuck psp" as are a large portion of japanese companies.

I need to wait till some more launch details, but, if the PSP comes out at $300, and more importantly, the games costing $50 each. (I'm sure that'll happen) the PSP is going to have an early grave.

Not-so-random-comment:
If you own a PS2, buy Katamari Damacy.  Don't question why, just go out and BUY IT, BUY IT NOW. (only $20)

Anyway, back on topic.

I need to see a few more details about the PSP, price is the major issue right now, same with battery life.   Reggie just flat out said in public "The PSP has no battery life, what the hell can you do with only 2 hours of playtime?  The DS is going to at leat equal or mirror the SP on our end" (well, thats basicly what he said) which means that sony HAS to respond with an answer, and it with the right marketing (something i think regie can do) he could easily bring upon the end of the PSP.

Sony, however, does have brand name recognition, however, it is obvious that the DS is going to come out first, so, with some fierce marketing and the right amount of titles from the beginning, nintendo can easily keep its control on the market.

More importantly, probably MOST importantly.  Sony doesn't have Pokemon.   Pokemon games are the absolute best selling console games that exist at the moment, they come in pairs, and each game manages to nearly surpass Madden in sales (combined, they easily own it).  Pokemon leaf green/fire red + price drop for the SP = 80% better SP sales and 2 more million sellers already (they haven't even been out a month) and thats just a pokemon REMAKE.
Nintendo just needs to drop the price of the DS to $100 before pokemon diamond/pearl come out, they'll sell millions of DS's and games, absolutely no problem at all.  Furthermore, with an extra million DS's floating around, all other software will sell better.

Furthermore, there is no chance for a GTA-PSP, and sony has very few killer aps that will be psp exclusive, Square is basicly saying "fuck psp" as are a large portion of japanese companies.

I need to wait till some more launch details, but, if the PSP comes out at $300, and more importantly, the games costing $50 each.  (I'm sure that'll happen)  the PSP is going to have an early grave.

nate

2004-10-10 01:21:44 pm

Quote from Prime Hunter:

You know, I suddenly have this feeling that if Nintendo's "Revolution" doesn't sell very well at all, that Nintendo will be in trouble in the console department: What would that be, 3 or so consoles in a row that would be beaten out by Sony if that happened?

probably absolutely nothing. as long the company continues to be profitable and the employees continue to believe in what they are doing, the company will continue to exist. y'all are probably going to groan, but look at apple computer. since 1997 the company has had less than 5% of the personal computer market share, which, as steve jobs repeatedly points out, is more than bmw's market share in cars. i think there's no more irrelevant marker of a company's "worth" or "health" than market share. if i were the only sequence breaker on the planet, i would still do it, and i would still enjoy it.

Lucid Faia

2004-10-10 02:10:24 pm

Nintendo isn't in any danger as long as they are making money, and they are doing plenty of that.

Yeah, you could say Reggie called out the PSP for their battery life, or lack thereof.

Quote:

“Let me tell you something,” bellowed Reggie with something of a glint in his eye. “Those little women at the Tokyo Game Show with those portable consoles strapped to them… What you didn’t see is that those women were having to go recharge the batteries every two hours!”

Nintendo seems to have changed their attitude a bit. Normally they ignore their competition. But they do seem to be doing things differently lately, such as the DS, and it's looking very good. I'm interested to see what they have planned for the Revolution.

Prime Hunter

2004-10-10 02:50:15 pm

I still have faith in Nintendo pulling through all of this. I'm sure that the Revolution will still be a good system, no matter how many are sold. My comment on the Revolution was more of a... Worst Case Scenario kind of thing.

I guess my "Fear" is based on that fact that I've been a fan of Nintendo since the start, so seeing somebody else being the ruler of the consoles just doesn't fit. (And, I know that Sony has done that, but it's not something I really like to admit) I just really like Nintendo: For its Games...

(Hmm... I guess that I'm just afraid that something will happen so that I wouldn't have some of those games anymore or whatever is was that made me think that...)

Yoshi348

2004-10-10 05:47:05 pm

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Ready and willing.

Quote from Prime Hunter:

I still have faith in Nintendo pulling through all of this. I'm sure that the Revolution will still be a good system, no matter how many are sold. My comment on the Revolution was more of a... Worst Case Scenario kind of thing.

I guess my "Fear" is based on that fact that I've been a fan of Nintendo since the start, so seeing somebody else being the ruler of the consoles just doesn't fit. (And, I know that Sony has done that, but it's not something I really like to admit) I just really like Nintendo: For its Games...

(Hmm... I guess that I'm just afraid that something will happen so that I wouldn't have some of those games anymore or whatever is was that made me think that...)

Hey... stop stealing my brain and using it to post... <_< :P

elyscape

2004-10-10 11:50:27 pm

My main fear is that Nintendo might not make the Revolution backwards-compatible with the Cube. I remember hearing something which suggested that this was a minor possibility. It scared me greatly.
If Nintendo does that, they'll have fucked themselves over. I mean, hell, all signs point to the PS3 and the XB2 being backwards-compatible. If Nintendo fails to do that with the Revolution, I'm afraid that there might be a revolution... away from Nintendo.

That's also a worst-case scenario. But it could happen. Which is the scary part. Let's hope that Nintendo doesn't suddenly become a massive pile of stupidity, and that this doesn't happen.

Yoshi348

2004-10-10 11:59:02 pm

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Ready and willing.

Um... is backwards-compatibility really THAT important? It's great, but it's not the golden nectar of the gods... the PS2 has done fine even though they were retarded and only used two controller ports again...

elyscape

2004-10-11 12:04:44 am

Quote from Yoshi348:

Um... is backwards-compatibility really THAT important? It's great, but it's not the golden nectar of the gods... the PS2 has done fine even though they were retarded and only used two controller ports again...

Well, I personally (and probably many others) would be really pissed that I couldn't trade in my Cube for credit towards the Revolution. Not only that, but I'd have to keep switching cables when I wanted to go between systems (we're out of connections on the TV, as well as on the connection-multiplier-device-thing, and I doubt chaining those things is that smart). That's more of a personal problem, but the idea of having two systems (from the same company, even!) both taking up space and plugs on the TV and surge protector would be quite annoying to many.

Yoshi348

2004-10-11 12:42:42 am

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Ready and willing.

Ah. Although the AV plug hasn't changed since the SNES. I've used the same cable for the SNES and the Cube myself.

elyscape

2004-10-11 12:44:33 am

Quote from Yoshi348:

Ah. Although the AV plug hasn't changed since the SNES. I've used the same cable for the SNES and the Cube myself.

Well, that's true. However, it'd still be annoying to have to go back and switch the cable every time you want to switch systems, yes?