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Tonski
2007-02-20 01:46:56 pm
Yeah I remember that thing about SS 100% 52 min run too. I'll just say, if there's anyone capable of doing that kind of a run, it's Hotarubi. (or BlueGlass  Wink ) I can't wait to see a sub 55 min SS 100% speedrun, no matter is it from Hotarubi or BlueGlass. I kinda think BlueGlass would deserve it, as Hotarubi already has the any%-WR.

I should probably print a 100% route somewhere and try one myself too... I've never played a 100% speedrun.
Saturn
2007-02-20 04:08:10 pm
Quote from moozooh:
I remember catnap222 saying that Hotarubi will also attempt a SS 100% run (with an estimated time of 0:52), so it would really be interesting to know who will finish it first and/or do better than the other. :)

Hotarubi finished a 0:47 100% test run on Snes9x, probably with help of savestates in critical parts, but otherwise it looks like mostly played in realtime. If he can master all this criticals on the fly, I wouldn't be surprised to see a clear sub 0:50 100% run of hotarubi someday. BlueGlass should be aware of it and try to aim for this time as well.
BlueGlass
2007-02-20 04:21:50 pm
Quote from Saturn:
BlueGlass should be aware of it and try to aim for this time as well.


I am now.  Thank you.

EDIT:  Hotarubi is a god of route creation, in addition to being a god of speedrunning.  However, I have an idea for a change to his route that might turn out faster.  I'm going to think it through some more then post it over in my 100% topic.
MASTER-88
2007-02-20 04:23:04 pm
Speedrunner
Sub 50 100% SS possible? aiwebs_016

-I sometimes wonder is it Hotarubi speedruns real runs on console
-His any-% Manipulate refill luck was excellent (looks like TAS) and he complete almost all very difficult tricks without dying. Looks impossible.

Probably Hotarubi is best player in the world. It is very hard belive is it sub 50 100% SS possible on console. I think 47 without slowdown is pretty darn good. i think it is no human run.

I really want see that SS run. Sub 50 min 100% without saves sounds impossible and it definitely is it.
moozooh
2007-02-21 09:35:18 am
Quote from Saturn:
Hotarubi finished a 0:47 100% test run on Snes9x, probably with help of savestates in critical parts, but otherwise it looks like mostly played in realtime. If he can master all this criticals on the fly, I wouldn't be surprised to see a clear sub 0:50 100% run of hotarubi someday.

Yes, I remember discussing this run with JXQ back when he was TASing first Crateria visit in 100%v2.

It was indeed played in realtime, but with help of 1500+ rerecords. ;) However, 3.5 minutes is more than enough of a leeway for all the possible mistakes, at least for an acceptable run, so I think your estimate is pretty close.

Also, I think that segmented 100% should probably have 0:47 as an aim. I'm sure getting high 0:46 would be possible in SS under perfect circumstances, but with some time spent on saving in multisegment it's dubious at best.
Tonski
2007-03-24 10:31:53 am
I started thinking about something... Why couldn't Hotarubi do a new run with TAS-route? Phantoon first would take backtracking away so much that sub-30 would be very possible with console, although it would require huge amount of skill. Maybe this kind of run segmented? The route is in my opinion very possible for human. I noticed in Super Metroid Impossible DBJ over pre-WS lake isn't that impossible, and Phantoon. Well let's say that's possible too.

Wouldn't this route be faster? No one has probably ever made this kind of run because the route is so hard but still it's so much faster.
moozooh
2007-03-24 10:58:28 am
Because Phantoon first is just marginally faster for TAS (saves about 10 seconds IIRC), and without arm-pumping and one-rounding Phantoon with missiles alone it would be impossible.

EDIT: Well, not impossible, just MANY times slower.
soulhunger
2007-06-04 08:01:05 pm
That was a very poorly done TAS. Hero of the Day has done way better -- What? That was real? Shocked

I finally watched the Hotarubi run, and wow. It looked near TAS quality, if you ignored all of the little mistakes like missed jumps etc. Actually my favorite part was when he made use of the spread bomb in the bubble room. Besides these comments, I am quite speechless.

Just a side question: Does anyone think a suitless run would be possible on console? I did one on emulator, but just barely. I think if someone can run with this kind of quality, they should try a suitless speed run.
moozooh
2007-06-04 08:15:44 pm
I guess it's well possible, as evidenced by the existence of the NBMB run. It's just that no-one actually wants messing with it, since Norfair and Maridia are completely awful even if not going for speed. If you actually want to try something like that, I'd advise you to play Saturn's hack called "Super Metroid: Impossible", in which killing all the bosses while suitless is mandatory.
soulhunger
2007-06-04 08:30:54 pm
Yeah, I've beaten SM: Impossible. I just think it'd be an interesting speed run to watch, even though Maridia is like watching Samus run through syrup.

Also curious as to what kind of time a suitless run could get, and it seems to me that some people have the talent (like Hotarubi, or anyone who has practiced as much as him).
Saturn
2007-06-16 05:47:54 am
Wow, how could I miss that. Embarassed

I just did a unassisted, segmented suitless run a couple of days ago, and got 1:14 for the first attempt ever. Since it was played on emulator, I could record a movie of it, which you can get here:

http://www.metroid2002.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=171619#171619

With enough items and a good strategy it's not really that hard for a experienced player.
Yoshi348
2007-06-16 01:10:48 pm
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Ready and willing.
Okay folks, back on topic here.
Rob
2007-06-23 12:03:04 pm
if hotarubi holds his controller like that, and other than customizing the shoot / dash / jump / item cancel buttons, i assume he presses select to select missiles (as he did say all the rest were normal).

How the f*** does he press select without stopping while he runs?
moozooh
2007-06-23 12:26:08 pm
Quote from Rob:
How the f*** does he press select without stopping while he runs?

Right thumb?
072
2007-06-23 12:32:05 pm
coral to complement blue
Wouldn't that make the 3 Supers + 1 Missile he does for Kraid impossible?
JaggerG
2007-06-23 11:25:07 pm
Shifty Leader
That M2k2 guy
Not if he uses his left thumb in that instance. The fact that he used his right thumb for hitting select in one instance does not prove that he never used his left thumb for hitting select in any other instances.
Yoshi348
2007-06-24 12:39:38 am
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Ready and willing.
Wow, now that post was page break'd hardcore.
JaggerG
2007-06-24 05:30:36 am
Shifty Leader
That M2k2 guy
So's your face! >:^P

I'm getting tempted to predict page breaks and say something completely ludicrous, pretending they're responses to posts on previous pages.

EDIT: Hey Yoshi, I can BEND SPACE AND TIME :^O or cheat the forum system to alter the page break continuum
moozooh
2007-06-24 07:27:24 am
What suddenly happened to
Quote from Yoshi348:
Okay folks, back on topic here.

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Yoshi348
2007-06-24 12:24:51 pm
PAGE BREAKER
Ready and willing.
Page breaks happened. (Sorry, wasn't even aware this topic was already veering off.)
JaggerG
2007-06-24 01:50:25 pm
Shifty Leader
That M2k2 guy
You, okay?! I learned veering off-topic from seeing you!!

But back on topic, I've learned that the most you need to do in a speed run is apply your muscles' memory to the game, and learn to hit the precise series of combinations of buttons. It's like learning to play the piano, except every time you mess up (in most cases, this means having slightly inferior timing), you have to hit a different series of buttons to make up for it.
Azor
2007-07-05 03:51:31 pm
Phazon level: 83%
Ok after polishing a bit my skill I have this problems regarding strategies, aswell as some questions:

-How much time would I save attemtping early landings with R on every jump?
-How much time would I save my arm pumping(lately I haven0t done it that much)
-About backdashes, if you release the jump button and press it as you being pushed is it the way somersaults start with a jump?
-Is there a way to trigger on purpose a fast phantoon routine?
-blue suit on draygon, while easy how much time would I end up saving? I ask this because I still walk some segments and lose a lot of health with it.
-How different is going to tourian hotarubi way instead of smokey's way? Without recharging of course.
-The fastest way of reaching high speed(not echoes) is by using short charge or a standard charge?

I believe that's all I need to know =)
Cpadolf
2007-07-05 07:17:00 pm
Almost happy
You will save a decent amount of time bu climbing fast with L,R. Dunno how much though, but of course a must to do in a speedrun nowdays.

AFAIK you will not save more then 2-3 seconds at most with human speed limited armpump, I would say it's not worth doing since it makes you screw up easier.

In an Unassisted speedrun there is no way of manipulating phantoons patterns.

In an unassisted speedrun bluesuit won't save time I think, at least 072 said so.

It is 5 seconds faster to take the maridia route to tourian, but probably not of you save at gunship.

It's fastest to reach high speed by holding dash.
Azor
2007-07-07 12:42:36 pm
Phazon level: 83%
Thanks for the help man, if I manage to record this run I will have to thanks you, mostly because arm pumping is easy to me but makes me screw everything else, also the bluesuit forced me to 3 round draygon.

Thanks again
072
2007-07-07 03:00:03 pm
coral to complement blue
No arm pumping? :o