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just like a certain power bomb huh?
At least you weren't given mere seconds to figure it out before being straight up killed. :v
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To be fair, Ridley's a cyborg in the Prime series and possibly Super Metroid if the very grayish purple color is any indication. Point is, in Other M, he came back before her completely in the flesh. Samus never expected the Galactic Federation would clone him and there's a big difference between seeing your rival come back on life support versus seeing him come back with his complete body restored. Also, Samus must not have expected him to be the chicken bird / lizard creature.
I like turtles.
Really? After seeing everything else that was on Zebes brought back to life, including the Space Pirates, she didn't even suspect that Ridley would be as well? And "life support" is an awfully wimpy term to describe Meta Ridley, to be frank. Besides, there's no indication at all of his being a Cyborg in Super's intro and she didn't go into shock then.
I like turtles.
Um, yeah it is. That's the whole point. Samus doesn't flinch. Ever. Not until Other M, anyway.
In Super, she fights Ridley because she hates his guts. She doesn't freeze up or cry or whine about it not being possible. The only reason she didn't finish him then and there was that her suit was woefully underpowered.
In Super, she fights Ridley because she hates his guts. She doesn't freeze up or cry or whine about it not being possible. The only reason she didn't finish him then and there was that her suit was woefully underpowered.
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Um, yeah it is. That's the whole point. Samus doesn't flinch. Ever. Not until Other M, anyway.
In Super, she fights Ridley because she hates his guts. She doesn't freeze up or cry or whine about it not being possible. The only reason she didn't finish him then and there was that her suit was woefully underpowered.
In Super, she fights Ridley because she hates his guts. She doesn't freeze up or cry or whine about it not being possible. The only reason she didn't finish him then and there was that her suit was woefully underpowered.
She doesn't flinch even when the situation would call for it. Not against SA-X or Dark Samus. Do you really think even the most stone hearted warrior wouldn't atleast hesitate for a minute upon seeing what is essentially him/herself?
You know, there is a difference between not adding in story elements like this because they can't due to technology limitations, versus not adding in story elements because they aren't the focus of a game. Up until now, the only two games in the series that had a heavy focus on story, to the point where they could be the primary focus and override the gameplay at times, are Fusion and Corruption. Even then, those games weren't meant to focus as much on the story as Other M does. So of course things are going to be different in the end as far as the presentation of Samus is concerned.
Yeah, I'm not saying that a lot of the choices in Other M were the best they could've gone with, but you've got to look at it from the proper perspective. Plus there's the fact that the Prime series and the main series weren't made by the same group of developers, which definitely had influence over how those story elements were presented to us in the end. (Yeah, I know that Nintendo influenced Retro's choices overall, but there's still going to be a difference regardless of that.) It makes sense to me that Samus would be presented differently by two different groups, especially when one is based in Japan and the other in America, which have different viewpoints on the matter.
All I'm trying to say is, until Other M there wasn't a whole lot of concrete evidence that told us what Samus herself was thinking at any given time, or how she would feel about certain situations and seeing past enemies (Ridley and Mother Brain specifically) resurface. We can put as much of our own thoughts behind Samus' actions as we want, I know I did it too, but in the end the only times we get into Samus' head were Fusion and Other M.
Yeah, I'm not saying that a lot of the choices in Other M were the best they could've gone with, but you've got to look at it from the proper perspective. Plus there's the fact that the Prime series and the main series weren't made by the same group of developers, which definitely had influence over how those story elements were presented to us in the end. (Yeah, I know that Nintendo influenced Retro's choices overall, but there's still going to be a difference regardless of that.) It makes sense to me that Samus would be presented differently by two different groups, especially when one is based in Japan and the other in America, which have different viewpoints on the matter.
All I'm trying to say is, until Other M there wasn't a whole lot of concrete evidence that told us what Samus herself was thinking at any given time, or how she would feel about certain situations and seeing past enemies (Ridley and Mother Brain specifically) resurface. We can put as much of our own thoughts behind Samus' actions as we want, I know I did it too, but in the end the only times we get into Samus' head were Fusion and Other M.
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Dude, Samus WAS afraid of the SA-X, you had to run or hide in terror every time it appeared.
There's a difference between being afraid and being forced to retreat. If you stand still, Samus will stand still and die. Any fear by her was what you controlled her with. Samus never shows fear on her own.
I like turtles.
Which is a good thing.
But at the same time... your argument has some holes. By that logic, Samus has never done anything "on her own." This is a video game. You are meant to control Samus the whole way through. If you stood still during any major boss fight you would die, but that's not what actually happens in the Metroid story. Samus' actions are the player's actions. I'd prefer to keep it that way.
But at the same time... your argument has some holes. By that logic, Samus has never done anything "on her own." This is a video game. You are meant to control Samus the whole way through. If you stood still during any major boss fight you would die, but that's not what actually happens in the Metroid story. Samus' actions are the player's actions. I'd prefer to keep it that way.
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Which is a good thing.
But at the same time... your argument has some holes. By that logic, Samus has never done anything "on her own." This is a video game. You are meant to control Samus the whole way through. If you stood still during any major boss fight you would die, but that's not what actually happens in the Metroid story. Samus' actions are the player's actions. I'd prefer to keep it that way.
But at the same time... your argument has some holes. By that logic, Samus has never done anything "on her own." This is a video game. You are meant to control Samus the whole way through. If you stood still during any major boss fight you would die, but that's not what actually happens in the Metroid story. Samus' actions are the player's actions. I'd prefer to keep it that way.
I meant Samus, aside from how you control her, shows absolutely NO signs of being slightly afraid of a being that is her at her maximum power. Samus doesn't even give any commentary on the SA-X or show any emotional signs or anything when the AI first reveals it to her. Can you honestly say you'd stand there, with a blank look, knowing that you're in a very weakened state while what is essentially you at full power is roaming around?
I don't see how it's poorly thought out, she's clearly in shock from seeing him come back and (I'm going to be using it as an example alot, so buckle up) the manga has a Chozo stating that repressed fear will grow, even if you aren't aware of it. To put it simply, you don't get over PTSD and it can strike at any time. Samus thought he was vaporized, he only came back through GF cloning which wasn't revealed until later. Unless you have a plausible explanation for Ridley coming back with his complete body restored (Not like a cyborg like in the Prime series), Samus had a good reason to be in denial.