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Behemoth: 2010-12-01 10:52:08 pm

Behemoth: 2010-12-01 10:50:18 pm

2010-12-01 10:47:58 pm

well I broke into LN with the three energy tanks that you would normally have on an any%. It isn't too difficutl either. You have to be careful mind and keep jumping but it's much easier than I thought.

Oh. my world is crushed... the statue doesn't work. so a certain item or boss that needs to be killed for it to work. Is it the space jump like you said ?

Metroid_Zelda Fan

2010-12-01 10:55:03 pm

IIRC, at least one statue requires Space Jump. This might be it (or one of them). But if Space Jump is required, then the entire run is pretty much defeated.

Behemoth

2010-12-01 10:56:01 pm

It would be, space jump gotten after draygon. maridia explorable via gravity suit. geravity suit gotten after phantoon. meh.. poo

lxx4xNx6xxl

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lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-12-01 10:58:12 pm

2010-12-01 10:56:53 pm

My name is 4N6/Forensics.

You can enter the room either way remember. You can enter the Golden Torizo's room with the Green Gate Glitch. Then you can just jump through the door and the awesomeness begins.

Behemoth

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Behemoth: 2010-12-01 10:57:47 pm

2010-12-01 10:57:33 pm

oh yea !!!!!!!!! but do you need speed boost to get the nesassary speed

lxx4xNx6xxl

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lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-12-01 11:00:11 pm

lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-12-01 10:59:25 pm

2010-12-01 10:58:47 pm

My name is 4N6/Forensics.

Not sure actually. I'm pretty sure you don't though. I think that's only for the opposite way of the Green Gate Glitch.

Behemoth

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Behemoth: 2010-12-01 11:04:19 pm

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Behemoth: 2010-12-01 11:01:36 pm

2010-12-01 11:00:37 pm

yep just tried it you don't need speed boost. lets just hope GT is actually in his room because it's clear the game blocks you from getting to him this early.

green gates on the right need speed boost?

dam just thinking, will the glitch work this end of his room?

hahaha yes it does !!
o yea i forgot about that but i seem to recal it now. phew i thought this run was a gonna. as it stands this entry could be faster than the statue way anyway. i know it's mad lol

lxx4xNx6xxl

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lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-12-01 11:05:37 pm

lxx4xNx6xxl: 2010-12-01 11:03:30 pm

2010-12-01 11:02:48 pm

My name is 4N6/Forensics.

Yea the Green Gate from the right requires a certain speed I believe. Yea JAM said it works from both entry points. This is so interesting BTW!!!

Yep just imagine the possible routes for any% now.

Also I posted about this Glitch on the TAS Forums crediting JAM and his amazing find.

Behemoth

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Behemoth: 2010-12-01 11:08:25 pm

2010-12-01 11:06:23 pm

I know it's really cool this. unfortunately I need to sleep. damn human bodies. I'll pick up tomorow with this TAS at the bottom of the LN elevator.

That's good, credit is definately due there.

aboslutley. I'll cya all tomorow

lxx4xNx6xxl

2010-12-01 11:07:41 pm

My name is 4N6/Forensics.

Good Night Behemoth. We shall talk again tomorrow possibly talking about a new any% route.

Metroid_Zelda Fan

2010-12-01 11:09:10 pm

Oh wow I didn't think the trick worked on this end of the room. Cool that it does, and I look forward to seeing this run. Good night everyone!

Prime Hunter

2010-12-02 02:53:09 am

Pretty sure that statue only activates if you have Space Jump, which is why you can't get in through the front door, so to speak. I've seen enough talk about it from a hacking perspective at this point to be certain of that.

Still, this is extremely cool, and when I first read about it over on Metroid Construction the other day I never assumed that anything like this could come from it.

Quietus

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Quietus: 2010-12-02 06:53:14 am

2010-12-02 06:51:55 am

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

I did already say these things. Crying or Very sad

Quote from Quietus:

I was hoping that it might open up new avenues for an any% run, but since it can only be activated by entering GT's room, and you'd need to have Space Jump to activate the lava lowering a few rooms before. Possibly entering GT's back door ( winky

) via the Green Gate Glitch..?

The statue requires Space Jump to activate, which is why we have to do the GGG to enter through the other door, as if you were getting Screw Attack.

The GGG requires no speed, and can be done from standing almost next to the gate. Watch this from about 3:25. There are other vids, but I found that one first.

Behemoth

2010-12-02 09:17:37 am

Yea sorry man I thought it had something to with actually not reaching the statue without space jump, not actually needing it for the statue to work. So I just wanted to get there myself and see what was up in that area. Anyway forensic reminded me about the GGG to which saved the day for my TAS which I'l resume in a short while.

Behemoth

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Behemoth: 2010-12-02 01:49:22 pm

2010-12-02 01:47:03 pm

Finsihed the TAS. Oh my god for the final time. I'm gonna let you see for yourself what it is. It might have been a little too optimised in a few little areas and certainly some tricks I personally wouldnt attempt on console but still... let me say this, you'd still be thrashing the currently accepted time for the normal any% route.

oh yea and I think for console to which this speed run in totally feasible it is best to pick up draygon and phantoons pickups so you have amunition for the parts ahead. I had to resort to drop manipulation going too wrecked ship and in tourian. If I'd picked up those two bosses drops this could have been avoided but it wouldn't have affected the final time too much.

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Any% run GT glitch (NTSC).smv

JMD

2010-12-02 04:09:37 pm

This is more of a code than glitch. I think the name of GT code suits it just fine.

Behemoth

2010-12-02 04:45:47 pm

Yep that's true, I'll just rename it. Any peeps who download it can just do the same as well.

Opium

2010-12-02 05:10:58 pm

I watched it up until entering lower norfair and I lost video and had to reset my PC. Will watch the rest later.

Quietus

2010-12-02 05:41:13 pm

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

That was fun. Even with the exclusion of the more TAS elements, I reckon you'd still be looking at 0:25. Now for a console run, to smash that record from the top spot. aiwebs_011

Behemoth

2010-12-02 05:44:06 pm

thanks it was quite fun making it and a lot easier than I thought it would be. Even all that LN breakin and stuff. If I did that on PAL It would make a high 25.

Unless It doesn't become a different catagory (I sort of wish it will, don't know why) then the record could be smashed in no time.

Quietus

2010-12-02 07:04:22 pm

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

My guess is that it'll be accepted because it's a key combination entered during play. If it were a code you could enter before you started, then it'd be classed as a cheat. That's my guess anyway.

Behemoth

2010-12-02 07:15:40 pm

I spose it's like if people could x ray climb consistantly on console then they's smash the records by a huge margin. But they havn't yet. Because from what I know x ray climbing is pretty difficult to do fully.

Well anycase I reckon the planning of console runs in the future could be fun and will start the course of a new era for records. I'm just not content that the records to get for any% could be decidedly easy to obtain now as opposed to consistancy and skill winning over the current records by several seconds or a minute at most.

OptimoPeach

2010-12-02 08:26:54 pm

asdf?

Figures something like this would come about the day after I vowed to never touch this game again LOL.

Would using it count towards a "legit" run, though? It seems pretty gamebreaking haha

Behemoth

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Behemoth: 2010-12-02 08:53:26 pm

2010-12-02 08:51:43 pm

I know dude it sucks dunit ? It puts my 100% run on hold I tell you that. I thought about 100% actually. You could still do it with this code in it too. basically it would start off just how my TAS started off, going to lower norfair as early as possible, and then just collect every item in the game afterward. Because the 100% run is collecting every item, it doesn't matter about percentage, whether it goes over 100%, you have to collect every item.

But it has a few drawbacks which are fairly difficult to explain but I'll give it a shot.
You can't activate the statue to lower the lava unless you have space jump so you could do the green gate glitch instead, but you need to get the missiles to the left of GT in his room. Only obtainable from the left using the statue from before. Do you still do the GT code early and then just pick up his missiles later and return to the route?. Or do you do the GT code later on when you have the space jump in which case you can use the statue and collect GT's missiles. Which could mean there won't be any point in doing the code since you have more items than the code gives you anyway. My head is gonna explode !

At the very least I hope this becomes a different catagory altogether for whatever run. Like x ray glitched runs

I know dude it sucks dunit ? It puts my 100% run on hold I tell you that. I thought about 100% actually. You could still do it with this code in it too. basically it would start off just how my TAS started off, going to lower norfair as early as possible, and then just collect every item in the game afterward. Because the 100% run is collecting every item, it doesn't matter about percentage, whether it goes over 100%, you have to collect every item.

But it has a few drawbacks which are fairly difficult to explain but I'll give it a shot.
You can't activate the statue to lower the lava unless you have space jump so you could do the green gate glitch instead, but you need to get the missiles to the left of GT in his room. Only obtainable from the left using the statue from before. Do you still do the GT code early and then just pick up his missiles later and return to the route?. Or do you do the GT code later on when you have the space jump in which case you can use the statue and collect GT's missiles. Which could mean there won't be any point in doing the code since you have more items than the code gives you anyway. My head is gonna explode !

At the very least I hope this becomes a different catagory altogether for whatever run. Like x ray glitched runs

OptimoPeach

2010-12-02 09:05:25 pm

asdf?

I really cannot believe how perfectly broken this game is