general gaming topic

Cpadolf

2012-04-05 12:02:21 pm

Almost happy

It's the only way to end the pain.

Poision Envy

2012-04-05 12:04:02 pm

Club 27 Goals

Only the dead can know peace from this evil

Poision Envy

2012-04-05 08:33:27 pm

Club 27 Goals

five more damn days before GW2. Kinda sad that neither myself nor any of my friends got into the beta, but it says when you preorder it you can get into the beta.

J_SNAKE

2012-04-06 09:49:39 am

Quote from arkarian:

man, far cry is really fun

not to pull a jsnake or anything but it really is one of the best shooters i've played

Nice to hear that. Someone has taste.

arkarian

2012-04-06 09:54:55 am

red chamber dream

haha, well, i probably don't think it's as brilliant as you do, like the ai doesn't seem anywhere near as advanced as i think you've talked about, but it's a really fun game

arkarian

2012-04-06 09:55:16 am

red chamber dream

does a good job of making you feel like a badass sneaking through the jungle

J_SNAKE

2012-04-06 10:03:31 am

Quote from arkarian:

haha, well, i probably don't think it's as brilliant as you do

You cannot know yet what I find brilliant and what not. It depends on how much you know about it and the picture you are looking at. You have to see it in relation to other shooters, the A.I. -integration is still unmatched.

arkarian

2012-04-06 10:11:38 am

red chamber dream

heh i dunno, there've been several times i've walked like within a few feet of where an enemy was standing, facing him, and he didn't move

arkarian

2012-04-06 10:12:36 am

red chamber dream

and there's a fuckload of pop-in in the game that can make it difficult to tell where enemies are ... like you won't be able to see anyone unless you zoom in with a sniper so their models pop in

J_SNAKE

Edit history:

J_SNAKE: 2012-04-06 10:33:11 am

2012-04-06 10:32:14 am

That pop ins are usual for large open-world shooters. The game was made with very limited ressources back then but it clearly tries to make a good use of tech and concepts. You are greatly offered tools to get situation-awareness for planning ahead. You can take the flaws into account.

There are different types of enemy A.I. Good game A.I. is not always about the enemy being smarter than you. You will meet "statics" (not moving enemy-types) here and there. Their placement could be better and less obvious but it still doesn't break the fun. The mix makes the game. And overall the game offers an interesting balance regarding its scope-management.

arkarian

2012-04-06 10:42:27 am

red chamber dream

i guess lol. it just doesn't seem much different from other shooters in terms of ai, just the world's design

J_SNAKE

2012-04-06 11:10:06 am

Quote from arkarian:

it just doesn't seem much different from other shooters in terms of ai, just the world's design

May be you haven't played many shooters yet, because it would be a pretty incompetent guess. Compared to other shooters the A.I. excels by a clear margin. Even when you take the later Crysis-games, their A.I. is no match for Far Cry. It doesn't work well on different scales. You can clearly tell the difference. Simply said, the A.I. in Crysis is bad.

The longer you play Far Cry the more likely you will realise that Far Cry's A.I.-acting on the whole outweighs some local flaws here and there. There is a reason why the game feels fun, and the A.I. is a fundamental reason for that. Perhaps you should play it through and see how your opinions mature. Happy gaming for sure;)

arkarian

2012-04-06 11:33:17 am

red chamber dream

have you played rainbow six: vegas?

J_SNAKE

2012-04-06 11:53:36 am

Doesn't it fall too much into the scripted department as much as killzone does?

The cool thing about Far Cry is non-scripted A.I.

arkarian

2012-04-06 11:55:00 am

red chamber dream

i'm not relating it to far cry, just wondering if you've played it. it's probably my favorite fps and has what i'd call really good ai

arkarian

2012-04-06 11:55:28 am

red chamber dream

it's nothing like killzone afaik, it's a tactical shooter

J_SNAKE

2012-04-06 12:32:56 pm

I usually don't bother much with choreographed settings. If you don't mind to explain what makes the A.I. good I might check it out.

arkarian

2012-04-06 12:37:29 pm

red chamber dream

well, it's not an open world like in far cry, so it's supposed to be more "choreographed". you're inside hotels and casinos for a good chunk of the game, and can usually see your enemies long before they see you, so it's more about planning your attack. you can tell your two squadmates where to set up position, whether to use silencers or not, etc. it's less of an action game and more strategic due to its realism (one or two shots and you're dead, basically).