general gaming topic

arkarian

2012-09-07 07:50:30 pm

red chamber dream

it's all about form, man ... EXPRESSION.

Idkbutlike2

2012-09-07 07:51:35 pm

I'm so sick of the "video games are art" argument. Who gives a flying fuck?

tomatobob

2012-09-07 07:51:37 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

The only people in the game industry that consider themselves artists are tools like the Braid guy.

Quote from arkarian:

like i said, there's several great voice actors who do lots of games work, but it's still nowhere near as big as other forms

Not really, at this point you are getting a lot of veteran professional VAs, I mean Nintendo doesn't but they're way behind everyone else in putting voice acting in games anyway. Honestly it seems like the biggest problems are direction and the weird structure of video game recording.

tomatobob

2012-09-07 07:52:35 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

The people that want games to be considered art are just dumbass gamers who want to feel like their hobby is special compared to everyone elses's hobbies.

arkarian

2012-09-07 07:54:41 pm

red chamber dream

yeah, but the veteran professionals do stuff like gears of war and uncharted (both of which have good voice acting btw), so maybe it's just that rpg localization doesn't have the kind of budget here

arkarian

2012-09-07 07:55:09 pm

red chamber dream

and of course they're art if people call them art but i swear to god i'm not going to argue the fact

Idkbutlike2

2012-09-07 07:55:36 pm

Or it could be just another anti-dub jerkoff who thinks English sucks.

arkarian

2012-09-07 07:56:23 pm

red chamber dream

well, i'd take a jap track over an english one any day for a jrpg

Idkbutlike2

2012-09-07 07:56:39 pm

Yeah... no thanks.

arkarian

2012-09-07 07:56:50 pm

red chamber dream

see that's the thing, the japanese just sounds better because it's what i associate with that sort of storytelling

arkarian

2012-09-07 07:57:46 pm

red chamber dream

and the acting itself is much much better, it's more dramatic i think in a way that wouldn't be appropriate in english

tomatobob

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tomatobob: 2012-09-07 08:00:18 pm

2012-09-07 08:00:11 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

I can't tell the difference tbh. A side from one have obnoxiously squeaky voices for any female character under 18. And that's all of the characters in a JRPG.

Quote from arkarian:

yeah, but the veteran professionals do stuff like gears of war and uncharted (both of which have good voice acting btw), so maybe it's just that rpg localization doesn't have the kind of budget here

I'm still debating whether Sakmoto's approach to Other M's VA is the standard or not. :v

Then again Deadly Premonition actually was largely ok if not amazing VAwise nd that game was made on like a $2 budget so who fucking knows.

Idkbutlike2

2012-09-07 08:00:27 pm

I don't know. I usually prefer English dubs because they usually have a better variety of voices used to different characters. Japanese VAs just seem to have these specific types of voices for certain characters that just get recycled over and over.

tomatobob

2012-09-07 08:01:28 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

That's how Japanese people sound you racist!!!

arkarian

2012-09-07 08:01:47 pm

red chamber dream

well, you're right lol

arkarian

2012-09-07 08:02:17 pm

red chamber dream

i think it's really hard for a native english speaker to judge if they aren't familiar with japanese accents and culture

arkarian

2012-09-07 08:03:36 pm

red chamber dream

whereas non-english speaking countries don't have as much trouble with our language because they've likely been growing up listening to it (or speaking it!) all their life

tomatobob

2012-09-07 08:03:37 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

To be completely honest the language largely sounds unpleasant to me. One of the few I've heard that actually bothers me a little, I'm not sure why.

Idkbutlike2

2012-09-07 08:03:38 pm

I seriously doubt the content of the average Tales story is all that Japanese-y.

arkarian

2012-09-07 08:04:01 pm

red chamber dream

granted, they mostly get the generic eastern accent, but still

tomatobob

2012-09-07 08:04:07 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

The average Tales story is literally anime, dude.

arkarian

2012-09-07 08:05:26 pm

red chamber dream

i suppose, but i'm quite enjoying graces's story atm

Idkbutlike2

2012-09-07 08:06:25 pm

Maybe in terms of presentation, but I doubt the main themes in them are so Japanese that the average baka gaijin wouldn't get them.

Idkbutlike2

2012-09-07 08:07:11 pm

I mean, Atlus made the scripts in Persona games pretty decent, and those games are WAY more Japanese than Tales.

arkarian

2012-09-07 08:07:15 pm

red chamber dream

it's not very original and not exceptional at all, but it's fun and entertaining enough to drive you along, and the characters are all decent (some of the dialog quite hilarious actually), and it all complements the gameplay and art, both of which are a+.

so i dunno, i don't really have a problem with it i guess. i kind of like a nice breezy jrpg story once in a while.