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Opium: 2011-12-13 09:04:02 pm

2011-12-13 09:02:51 pm

I think a lot of people who are college-age and beyond are more likely to point out political correctness and the immorality of war in general than to get excited about COD (they become pussies). In fact, didn't the military invest in its production to influence kids to enlist after HS?

arkarian

2011-12-13 09:04:02 pm

red chamber dream

i think you're again going by what you believe and maybe what your friends believe and applying that to everyone

i don't have that much faith in other people my age

arkarian

2011-12-13 09:04:25 pm

red chamber dream

then again i don't give a fuck about the immorality of war when it comes to playing video games

arkarian

2011-12-13 09:04:35 pm

red chamber dream

or the immorality of war in general but that's a different matter

Opium

2011-12-13 09:06:07 pm

Quote from arkarian:

i think you're again going by what you believe and maybe what your friends believe and applying that to everyone

Doesn't everyone? After all, I don't really know anyone who is that young, so I have to go by when I DID know people that young (which is when I was that young). I'm sure times change, but the college crowd still seems to be pretty opinionated on shit like that.

arkarian

2011-12-13 09:07:28 pm

red chamber dream

i dunno, i try not to but like everything else it's something i struggle with because it's hard to find motivation to care about viewing things rationally or whatever. there's no indication it's benefitted me much in the past so who knows. maybe it is a waste of time.

UchihaSasuke

2011-12-13 09:09:22 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

zelda is one of those series that is fading over time. it used to be among the most popular series when it was at its peak (OoT days) but bigger series have appeared since then and zelda games have never approached OoT's sales since then. it is having a similar pattern as Final Fantasy.

also, while i think the biggest COD demographic is over 20 years old, there's also a good chance that the majority of 12-18 teens play it too and they pass on other games because of it (this is the same kind of demographic that used to by Zelda 10+ years ago). it is just that the 20+ group is much bigger than the 12-18 group.

Opium

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Opium: 2011-12-13 09:12:53 pm

2011-12-13 09:10:00 pm

Quote from arkarian:

or the immorality of war in general but that's a different matter

I lie violence in my games, but not when it's a simulation of REAL conflicts. It would be really hard for me to play that shit without thinking about real people who have died. When I play god of war, I dont get distracted thinking about how fucked up it is that so many people have been mauled by minotaurs. Thats just how I feel, and it makes sense that those around me would agree (or else they wouldnt be around me to begin with). But are there really a lot of adults who play COD?

Quote from UchihaSasuke:

zelda is one of those series that is fading over time.

True, that. I think that if console zelda titles came out every year that it might be near death by this point. When it's every 4-6 years though, it seems to prolong the interest.

arkarian

2011-12-13 09:11:05 pm

red chamber dream

yeah, there are definitely plenty of manbabies out there who poopsock all day playing shit like cod. i don't know many but i know they're out there ... somewhere. the midwest probably.

arkarian

2011-12-13 09:11:37 pm

red chamber dream

haha opium i can't relate to that at all so i'm not sure what to say

kesvalk

2011-12-13 09:15:45 pm

Indie Lover

i really think the demographic for COD is more on the 17~32 age, there a lot of ppl that just love to shoot virtual ppl in the face...

Opium

2011-12-13 09:17:05 pm

Hell, mario platformers make zelda look like an underground gig anyways.

Opium

2011-12-13 09:36:46 pm

Everything I said about COD, I could also say about GTA. Is that the same crowd?

Poision Envy

2011-12-13 11:20:50 pm

Club 27 Goals

or maybe people stopped caring about Zelda cause it just looks kiddie, and the whole ~save the princess~ game concept is old, stale, and just not fun.

Poision Envy

2011-12-13 11:22:02 pm

Club 27 Goals

Quote from Opium:

Everything I said about COD, I could also say about GTA. Is that the same crowd?

not really. Theres lots of overlap for sure since both are massive titles, but they're totally different in the end. CoD is a competitive multiplayer, while GTA is a sandbox do-whatever-you-want game.

Poision Envy

2011-12-13 11:25:35 pm

Club 27 Goals

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But are there really a lot of adults who play COD?

A scary amount, yes. hell on youtube you can find dozens of adults who do those gaming commentary things and make money off them.

CoD is extremely accessible, and also very very easy to just pick up and play for however long you feel like, then stop. You don't have to get wrapped up in solving the puzzles for a dungeon to kill the evil guy who has your sweetheart captive, there's no real story, you just play to -play-. It makes it very easy for the older generation to just pick up and play the CoD games, play with their friends online a bit, and can even talk about it at work or whatever without sounding like manchildren caring about completing the castle to save the princess. It's cool to play CoD.

UchihaSasuke

2011-12-13 11:29:53 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

and one has to wonder why nintendo doesn't trim all this useless story and cutscenes from zelda to make it more play just to play if the majority of people want to just play and slay some beasts. in that sense, the oldest zeldas were pretty good.

Poision Envy

2011-12-13 11:31:37 pm

Club 27 Goals

I think the hoard of "true" zelda fans would make such a ruckus about that that it just wouldn't be worth it. Besides the Zelda name itself is already too associated with the older titles for them to be able to pull something like that.

Besides, there's always monster hunter for that!

arkarian

2011-12-13 11:32:07 pm

red chamber dream

have to understand that most japanese game companies don't care about western game players

UchihaSasuke

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UchihaSasuke: 2011-12-13 11:39:38 pm

2011-12-13 11:38:15 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

true.
but on the flipside, japan doesn't care about zelda anymore. SS sold like shit over there (230k and it had a big drop from first week)
nintendo should consider it like metroid and cater more to the west since japan is a lost cause for it and appealing to that market is bringing down the series. zelda is not mario or pokemon which can sell big anywhere with the same ideas.

Opium

2011-12-13 11:52:24 pm

The thing I like the most about zelda is the puzzles. The setting, music, story, and monsters are all good - but I really love a cleverly designed dungeon with tons of head-scratching puzzles in it.

tomatobob

2011-12-14 12:16:44 am

One shall stand, one shall ball.

Quote from UchihaSasuke:

and one has to wonder why nintendo doesn't trim all this useless story and cutscenes from zelda to make it more play just to play if the majority of people want to just play and slay some beasts. in that sense, the oldest zeldas were pretty good.

Because Zelda makes for a really shitty action game. You have to have other things there because there are literally thousands of games that do combat a million time better. Take the adventure aspect out of Zelda and you get the worlds worst hack and slash game.

J_SNAKE

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J_SNAKE: 2011-12-14 12:24:18 am

J_SNAKE: 2011-12-14 12:20:33 am

2011-12-14 12:17:10 am

What do you think, is it better or worse to design those puzzles more cleverly and challenging. Or is the difficulty just right, since there are people who don't consider them puzzles. I also think that in games many people don't like puzzles which obviously look like puzzles. Or does someone think Lufia felt right to them?

tomatobob

2011-12-14 12:18:38 am

One shall stand, one shall ball.

Quote from UchihaSasuke:

but on the flipside, japan doesn't care about zelda anymore. SS sold like shit over there (230k and it had a big drop from first week)

Could also be because it's a Wii game and the Wii is a piece of shit no one has time for. Really hard to get excited about Nintendo's stuff when you know it has to be played on a Wii.

Prime Hunter

2011-12-14 12:20:16 am

Is it funny, sad, or interesting that out of all of these supposed game of the year contenders, I've only played Portal 2 and Skyward Sword? I will eventually get around to Gears 3, but haven't played it yet, and I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Arkham City even though I've yet to play that either but I want to. Otherwise most of the other games you guys have mentioned either don't interest me at all or are ones that I've played previous entries of and don't find to be as much fun as everyone else.

GOTY would be a toss up between Portal 2 and Skyward Sword for me if I had to choose from this list. (I'd put Star Wars: The Old Republic on there as well but its early access just started yesterday so it probably won't get considered for anything this year.) I'm leaning towards a similar mindset as Opium in that problem solving and logical puzzles are a big draw for me, although to comment on what Tomatobob just said the adventure is what brought me to Zelda in the first place and is still the biggest reason I love the series so much. (Same with Metroid)

Adventure games just don't seem to be as popular as they used to be from what I understand, which is probably a contributing factor to why Zelda and Metroid aren't getting as much attention as they did in their earlier years.

Is it funny, sad, or interesting that out of all of these supposed game of the year contenders, I've only played Portal 2 and Skyward Sword? I will eventually get around to Gears 3, but haven't played it yet, and I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Arkham City even though I've yet to play that either but I want to. Otherwise most of the other games you guys have mentioned either don't interest me at all or are ones that I've played previous entries of and don't find to be as much fun as everyone else.

GOTY would be a toss up between Portal 2 and Skyward Sword for me if I had to choose from this list. (I'd put Star Wars: The Old Republic on there as well but its early access just started yesterday so it probably won't get considered for anything this year.) I'm leaning towards a similar mindset as Opium in that problem solving and logical puzzles are a big draw for me, although to comment on what Tomatobob just said the adventure is what brought me to Zelda in the first place and is still the biggest reason I love the series so much. (Same with Metroid)

Adventure games just don't seem to be as popular as they used to be from what I understand, which is probably a contributing factor to why Zelda and Metroid aren't getting as much attention as they did in their earlier years.