Fastest speedrun with 100% Items??

2005-03-02 09:42:11 pm

red chamber dream

Like Scarlet said, this topic is a year old, so please do not make any further posts in here unless you actually have broken the 100% record or have something useful to add to the topic.

Chanoire

2005-03-02 10:16:59 pm

Quote from Red Scarlet:

Although it was interesting to look back into this topic.

Yeah...it reminded me that I never saw the rest of your 1:00/1:01 run. At the time I found this board and this topic i hadn't yet found everything in the game and so didn't want to watch the full run and spoil the locations. But I did want to see the Murder Beam so I watched just that last segment.

I think you mentioned in the 0:55 commentary that the route was new; is the one in the 1:00 much different? (Yes, I'll see for myself soon, but possibly not for another day or so depending on the state of the connection when I get home.)

Red Scarlet

2005-03-02 10:23:43 pm

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

My 1:00 used the same 'default' route used in most of the runs in the day. VValentin's 1:07 (probably), my 1:06, smokey's 1:02, my 1:01/1:00, smokey's :58, and smokey's :56 all use the same general route. My :55 was a different route from those..one big reason I had no idea what my time would be until the last part.

Roxinos

2005-03-05 10:00:36 pm

Could you explain what the default routes are...cause I really wouldn't like to have to download the other runs...although I could...right now I only have your :55 min run and Smokey's :36 min run...for entertainment whenever I get INCREDIBLY bored...so could you?

Oh and I don't use glitches or mockball...so I don't get the super missles early...I fight Spore Spawn and I get the powerbombs early by wall jumping all the way up brinstar depths and to the area with the elevator that leads back to Crateria...

Red Scarlet

2005-03-06 12:30:47 am

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

Quote from Roxinos:

right now I only have your :55 min run and Smokey's :36 min run...for entertainment whenever I get INCREDIBLY bored...so could you?

Don't know if that's a good or bad thing..

Area/main Itemwise..the old route I used for my 1:00 and 1:06, and that smokey used for his :56, :58, 1:02 differentiate from my :55 in 2 areas pretty much.

Crateria -> Brinstar -> Maridia -> Brinstar -> Norfair -> (Middle) Norfair (Crocomire/Grappling Beam) -> Brinstar -> Maridia -> Brinstar -> Crateria -> Wrecked Ship -> Crateria -> (green) Brinstar cleanup -> Maridia -> Brinstar -> Norfair -> Lower Norfair -> Brinstar -> Maridia -> Brinstar -> Crateria cleanup -> Tourian

My :55 went in a different order..

Crateria -> Brinstar -> Maridia -> Brinstar -> Norfair -> Brinstar -> Maridia -> Brinstar -> Crateria -> Wrecked Ship -> Crateria cleanup -> Brinstar cleanup -> Maridia -> Brinstar -> Norfair -> Middle Norfair -> Lower Norfair -> Brinstar -> Maridia -> Brinstar -> Crateria -> Tourian

So the other way goes to Middle Norfair early, does Brinstar cleanup from a different starting point (by the early Supers), and does Crateria cleanup at the end, while my :55 route does Crateria cleanup after the Wrecked Ship, then does Brinstar cleanup from a different starting point (next to the Morph Ball), and goes to Middle Norfair on the way to Lower Norfair after going through Maridia.

[quote="Roxinos"]right now I only have your :55 min run and Smokey's :36 min run...for entertainment whenever I get INCREDIBLY bored...so could you?[/quote]

Don't know if that's a good or bad thing..

Area/main Itemwise..the old route I used for my 1:00 and 1:06, and that smokey used for his :56, :58, 1:02 differentiate from my :55 in 2 areas pretty much.

Crateria -> Brinstar -> Maridia -> Brinstar -> Norfair -> (Middle) Norfair (Crocomire/Grappling Beam) -> Brinstar -> Maridia -> Brinstar -> Crateria -> Wrecked Ship -> Crateria -> (green) Brinstar cleanup -> Maridia -> Brinstar -> Norfair -> Lower Norfair -> Brinstar -> Maridia ->  Brinstar -> Crateria cleanup -> Tourian

My :55 went in a different order..

Crateria -> Brinstar -> Maridia -> Brinstar -> Norfair -> Brinstar -> Maridia -> Brinstar -> Crateria -> Wrecked Ship -> Crateria cleanup -> Brinstar cleanup -> Maridia -> Brinstar -> Norfair -> Middle Norfair -> Lower Norfair -> Brinstar -> Maridia -> Brinstar -> Crateria -> Tourian

So the other way goes to Middle Norfair early, does Brinstar cleanup from a different starting point (by the early Supers), and does Crateria cleanup at the end, while my :55 route does Crateria cleanup after the Wrecked Ship, then does Brinstar cleanup from a different starting point (next to the Morph Ball), and goes to Middle Norfair on the way to Lower Norfair after going through Maridia.

Roxinos

2005-03-07 09:52:45 am

Not a very good explanation...but it helps...

Crateria(Morph ball, one missle, bombs, energy tank)>Brinstar(Kill sporespawn, missle, charge beam, missile, power bomb, missile, power bomb, Spazer)>Maridia>Brinstar(Kraid, missile,Varia Suit, energy tank)>Norfair(Hi-Jump Boots, Missile, energy tank, missile, missile, speedboost, missile, wave beam, missile, missile, reserve tank, missile, ice beam, missile, energy tank, missile, missile, grapple beam, missile, missile)>Brinstar>Maridia>Brinstar(X-Ray)>Crateria(Save, Missile)>Wrecked Ship(missile, Phantoon kill, super missile, super missile, Energy tank, missile)>Crateria(missile, missile)>Wrecked Ship(missile, reserve tank, Gravity suit)>Crateria(missile, Save)

I'll finish it later...I have to go now...class has ended...*nods*

(By the way...I'm incredibly bored...so I felt like being super detailed)

Edit: (Continuing my super detailed run explanation because I'm so incredibly bored in my second period and it kills time)

Crateria({right after save I should have a super jump charged from the run to my ship so I diagonal super jump to the right} Powerbomb, {horizontal super jump to the left after falling off cliff} e-tank, missle, missle)>Brinstar(missle, reserve, missile, missile, super missle, e-tank, super missle, power bomb, missile, power bomb, e-tank, e-tank)>Crateria(power bomb, missile, e-tank, missile, missile, missile, super missile, missile, Save)

(I'll finish the rest next time I'm in class)

Not a very good explanation...but it helps...

Crateria(Morph ball, one missle, bombs, energy tank)>Brinstar(Kill sporespawn, missle, charge beam, missile, power bomb, missile, power bomb, Spazer)>Maridia>Brinstar(Kraid, missile,Varia Suit, energy tank)>Norfair(Hi-Jump Boots, Missile, energy tank, missile, missile, speedboost, missile, wave beam, missile, missile, reserve tank, missile, ice beam, missile, energy tank, missile, missile, grapple beam, missile, missile)>Brinstar>Maridia>Brinstar(X-Ray)>Crateria(Save, Missile)>Wrecked Ship(missile, Phantoon kill, super missile, super missile, Energy tank, missile)>Crateria(missile, missile)>Wrecked Ship(missile, reserve tank, Gravity suit)>Crateria(missile, Save)

I'll finish it later...I have to go now...class has ended...*nods*

(By the way...I'm incredibly bored...so I felt like being super detailed)

Edit: (Continuing my super detailed run explanation because I'm so incredibly bored in my second period and it kills time)

Crateria({right after save I should have a super jump charged from the run to my ship so I diagonal super jump to the right} Powerbomb, {horizontal super jump to the left after falling off cliff} e-tank, missle, missle)>Brinstar(missle, reserve, missile, missile, super missle, e-tank, super missle, power bomb, missile, power bomb, e-tank, e-tank)>Crateria(power bomb, missile, e-tank, missile, missile, missile, super missile, missile, Save)

(I'll finish the rest next time I'm in class)

Red Scarlet

2005-03-07 03:17:13 pm

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

What's bad about that explanation? I don't remember when each expansion is gotten, that's what the videos are for. You asked for route, not items gotten, and exactly when (which I get some items at a different time than smokey), and I'm not watching 3 videos for someone to tell them that shit.

Don't ask me for help then, if you're going to be a lazy rudeass after my answer. Getting Power Bombs in Brinstar before going to Kraid is rather stupid..you should pass on that to save a couple of minutes. But I'm not helpful and explain badly. Rolling Eyes

Roxinos

2005-03-07 03:31:15 pm

Geez...you made it seem like I insulted you horribly...I understand it...it's just lacking the information I wanted...sorry...I didn't mean to sound rude or any such stuff...and I did say it helps...

Why does waiting for later to get the power bombs save time? Hmm...seems to me that it allows you to get a few items before hand...I mean it sure does make a few things easier...although it isn't required to have grapple to get into the wrecked ship...I never use it to get in...*grumbles* I'm just making things difficult aren't I...sorry...I can't help it...

Red Scarlet

2005-03-07 03:34:48 pm

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

You asked for route, and I supplied it (and it was actually difficult to remember the old route). You didn't ask when all 100 items are picked up, which I would probably not even get those right for my :55, especially not in my 1:00 and smokey's :56 runs.

You asked for route, I gave it to you, and that didn't help. It was what you asked for.

Going all that way for those PB's is slow, because you're going to be going that way anyway on the way to the Wrecked Ship, so it's just excess backtracking if you do it, then go down, and then come back up that way anyway a little bit later.

Purple Lizard

2005-03-07 04:26:43 pm

Quote from Roxinos:

Not a very good explanation...but it helps...

Crateria(Morph ball, one missle, bombs, energy tank)>Brinstar(Kill sporespawn, missle, charge beam, missile, power bomb, missile, power bomb, Spazer)....

You kill spore spawn? Shocked

Ziptnf

2005-03-07 06:38:53 pm

Quote from Purple Lizard:

Quote from Roxinos:

Not a very good explanation...but it helps...

Crateria(Morph ball, one missle, bombs, energy tank)>Brinstar(Kill sporespawn, missle, charge beam, missile, power bomb, missile, power bomb, Spazer)....

You kill spore spawn? Shocked

*gasps in horror*

I can't NOT kill spore spawn, seeing as how I can't even do a mockball.

Roxinos

2005-03-08 01:51:04 pm

Me and my brother always do glitchless runs...we are both fully capable of doing mockball at will...but we choose not to...not too sure why though...

By the way...I didn't say it didn't help...it did...as I have a picture of where you go...I just don't really know what you mean because I can't see it well enough...not a problem with what you said...just a problem for myself...that's why it didn't help much...you took too much offense in what I said...I said that it wasn't a very good explanation because of what I was hoping for...although what I was hoping for was not what I asked for...I see that now...your explanation did shed some light on the difference though...and it seems a pretty big difference to me...Oh and the power bomb thing...I see what you mean...it is slow...and you are right...you are gonna have to go back up there...and then back down...but I was looking at it in the way of the sooner you are getting the items the quicker it is...instead of going through a straight forward path and getting things as you are near them...*nods*

Me and my brother always do glitchless runs...we are both fully capable of doing mockball at will...but we choose not to...not too sure why though...

By the way...I didn't say it didn't help...it did...as I have a picture of where you go...I just don't really know what you mean because I can't see it well enough...not a problem with what you said...just a problem for myself...that's why it didn't help much...you took too much offense in what I said...I said that it wasn't a very good explanation because of what I was hoping for...although what I was hoping for was not what I asked for...I see that now...your explanation did shed some light on the difference though...and it seems a pretty big difference to me...Oh and the power bomb thing...I see what you mean...it is slow...and you are right...you are gonna have to go back up there...and then back down...but I was looking at it in the way of the sooner you are getting the items the quicker it is...instead of going through a straight forward path and getting things as you are near them...*nods*

Yoshi348

2005-03-08 02:24:39 pm

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Ready and willing.

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Nida

2005-03-08 02:27:54 pm

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You win.

arkarian

2005-03-08 04:17:38 pm

red chamber dream

You know that one period at the end of a sentence is all you need, right? >_>

Purple Lizard

2005-03-08 04:19:33 pm

I'm partial to commas as well when I need to pause in the middle of a sentence. :)

Skreemaster

2005-03-08 04:20:07 pm

I'll be back. Maybe...

Cola, commae and semicola should help as well.

arkarian

2005-03-08 04:29:50 pm

red chamber dream

"Commae" and "semicola" aren't even the real plurals...

Ekarderif

2005-03-08 04:34:44 pm

Mmm, semicola. It's like regular cola except half the... water! Yeah!

Izo

2005-03-08 04:37:40 pm

soaking through

You just know that Pepsi will jump on the bandwagon, with "DemiPepsi" or some such nonsense.

Skreemaster

2005-03-08 04:40:10 pm

I'll be back. Maybe...

But... but...

κωλον, κωλου 2n
Nom. Pl: κωλα

comma, commae 1f
Nom. Pl: commae

... I know who is responsible for this... for this... marring of such a great language. I know who caused this: it was the French: the Gauls, vile barbarians despoiling the great Latin language and its Greek origins... shame on them for this despicable corruption! I shall have my revenge by means of Zip -> Stab before this day is out...

arkarian

2005-03-08 04:45:21 pm

red chamber dream

AFAIK, the plural of "comma" is either "commas" or "commata."
And the plural of "semicolon" is just "semicolons," although the plural of "colon" can be "cola."
But I definitely could be wrong.

Back on topic, glitchless runs can be really fun to do, and they show how good a player is at actually playing the game as it was intending, rather than "bending the game" (although, I still prefer to bend the game).

Red Scarlet

2005-03-08 04:47:03 pm

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

What's ironic is that his sig has single periods.

Skreemaster

2005-03-08 04:48:52 pm

I'll be back. Maybe...

Thus quoth Roxinos, and lo! his speech was filled with ellipses like unto a... What uses ellipses like Roxinos?

Izo

2005-03-08 04:49:28 pm

soaking through

An ellipsis factory.