Echoes Randomizer

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MilesSMB: 2014-10-02 01:11:31 am

MilesSMB: 2014-08-08 06:31:43 pm

2014-08-08 04:47:36 pm

I said I would release it today, and here I am actually releasing it today. It's a miracle!

For those that don't know about the Randomizer already, this randomly switches the locations of all upgrades and expansions with each other. For example, defeating Bomb Guardian could give you a Missile Expansion. Or Grapple Beam. Or Sonic Boom! There's currently no checks on whether an item is actually possible to obtain or not, so there's a chance the randomization may not be possible to complete; how likely depends on how good you are at Echoes sequence breaks/wallcrawling.

If you've used the Prime 1 Randomizer, this is similar, but there's two major improvements:

1. The .pak files are now edited directly, so you don't have to worry about unpacking/repacking them before and after randomizing. This also means that there shouldn't be any files permanently added to the folder, which I think could cause problems with rebuilding (though if the Randomizer is closed/has an error midway through, there may be leftover temporary files).

2. Other regions/versions are now supported. I haven't tested Trilogy, however, so I can't guarantee it's compatible; I've personally tested the NA, PAL, and Japanese GC versions and they all work fine.

Be sure to read the readme before using the Randomizer. Be warned that I haven't included any instructions for rebuilding an ISO; I don't have much experience with any rebuilding programs and I'm not going to pretend I can write a good guide on how to use them. If anyone can provide some good instructions then that would be incredibly helpful.

Download Link
rekameohs's Randomizer script

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I said I would release it today, and here I am actually releasing it today. It's a miracle!

For those that don't know about the Randomizer already, this randomly switches the locations of all upgrades and expansions with each other. For example, defeating Bomb Guardian could give you a Missile Expansion. Or Grapple Beam. Or Sonic Boom! There's currently no checks on whether an item is actually possible to obtain or not, so there's a chance the randomization may not be possible to complete; how likely depends on how good you are at Echoes sequence breaks/wallcrawling.

If you've used the Prime 1 Randomizer, this is similar, but there's two major improvements:

1. The .pak files are now edited directly, so you don't have to worry about unpacking/repacking them before and after randomizing. This also means that there shouldn't be any files permanently added to the folder, which I think could cause problems with rebuilding (though if the Randomizer is closed/has an error midway through, there may be leftover temporary files).

2. Other regions/versions are now supported. I haven't tested Trilogy, however, so I can't guarantee it's compatible; I've personally tested the NA, PAL, and Japanese GC versions and they all work fine.

Be sure to read the readme before using the Randomizer. Be warned that I haven't included any instructions for rebuilding an ISO; I don't have much experience with any rebuilding programs and I'm not going to pretend I can write a good guide on how to use them. If anyone can provide some good instructions then that would be incredibly helpful.

[url="https://www.dropbox.com/s/4y3ais6rwpl18qo/Echoes_Randomizer_V1.000001.7z"]Download Link[/url]
[url="https://www.dropbox.com/sh/66gciez2ql2enjw/AAAsH3tnA6FZiHs_8zeZpfKHa"]rekameohs's Randomizer script[/url]

LetsPlayNintendoITA

2014-08-08 04:51:38 pm

Italian LetsPlayer

cool thanks miles!

LetsPlayNintendoITA

2014-08-08 04:55:29 pm

Italian LetsPlayer

sending again to recieve notifications

UchihaSasuke

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UchihaSasuke: 2014-08-08 04:56:10 pm

2014-08-08 04:55:50 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

yay

now i wonder if i can get it running fast. with mp1, it took me a while to get a working one going.

Toozin

2014-08-08 04:55:51 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

I'm pretty out of the loop as far as sequence breaking goes, but is it safe to assume the odds of getting a completeable seed are going to be much lower than with Prime?

TheMG2

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TheMG2: 2014-08-08 04:57:35 pm

2014-08-08 04:56:58 pm

Quote from Toozin:

I'm pretty out of the loop as far as sequence breaking goes, but is it safe to assume the odds of getting a completeable seed are going to be much lower than with Prime?

Not exactly, if you skip Item loss than it seems higher. If you don't... nobody has tested without item loss yet because no-sj stuff hasn't been done in a while.

MilesSMB

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MilesSMB: 2014-08-08 04:59:19 pm

2014-08-08 04:58:07 pm

There are far more reasons I don't want to do a no-ILS randomizer than just Space Jump.

With ILS I'm personally waaaay more likely to get a completion than Prime 1, but I'm also really good at wallcrawling so...

TheMG2

2014-08-08 04:58:43 pm

Well thats Parax's excuse, whats yours?

Aruki

2014-08-08 04:59:23 pm

Use GC Iso Tool to get this running on a new ISO. I couldn't get it GC Rebuilder to work with Echoes.

Download here: http://www.wiibackupmanager.co.uk/gcit.html

Open the Echoes ISO and extract the files as GCReEx format. Run the randomizer on the unpacked files. Open the folder again in GC Iso Tool and save a trimmed ISO. Should work after that. The setup should hopefully be much simpler than with the MP1 randomizer since unpacking and repacking is no longer necessary.

MilesSMB

2014-08-08 05:00:44 pm

Quote from TheMG2:

Well thats Parax's excuse, whats yours?

The other 4. :P

Laraeph

2014-08-08 05:25:39 pm

Now I have to give this a try. Thanks!

UchihaSasuke

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UchihaSasuke: 2014-08-08 06:37:38 pm

2014-08-08 06:04:36 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

as usual, i can't get it working.

i'll just wait until a script is up and running to save time.

edit: okay. i got it working. the folders were messing up with me so i put the paks in a really simple path.

now to see if the actual iso works. i'll test that later after eating.

MilesSMB

2014-08-08 06:43:13 pm

Uploaded a new version to fix a stupid bug with not providing a folder.

Also as I forgot to mention it: Don't use a file started on the original game (i.e. 0:00 Temple Grounds) with a randomized game. Right now I think the only issues are that the item loss won't be removed if you disabled it, and there'll be pauses whenever you load a room with a pickup, but once Translators are added the problems will probably be far more severe.

Laraeph

2014-08-08 07:09:37 pm

Got it working fine, following Parax's instructions for GC Rebuilder and using the iso in dolphin; on PAL.

ArmaRood

2014-08-08 11:20:15 pm

Walruse

Has anyone gotten the NTSC version to work with Nintendont on the Wii? I can get it to work fine with a burnt DVD but it crashes on bootup with Nintendont

IzzyAxel

2014-08-08 11:32:54 pm

Getting an error when I run it

C:\xyz\Echoes_Randomizer>Echoes_Randomizer "D:\xyz\randomizer\root" -i
Obtaining files required for pickups from other PAKs...
System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative
and less than the size of the collection.
Parameter name: startIndex
at System.ThrowHelper.ThrowArgumentOutOfRangeException(ExceptionArgument argu
ment, ExceptionResource resource)
at System.BitConverter.ToInt32(Byte[] value, Int32 startIndex)
at EchoesFiles.ByteReaders.readInt32()
at EchoesFiles.PAKrw.read_header_and_main_files()
at EchoesFiles.PAKrw..ctor(String folder, String file, Int32 mode)
at Echoes_Randomizer.File_Modification.method(String folder, Int32 seed, List
`1 excluded_pickups, Boolean warp, Boolean item_loss_removal, Boolean music_rand
omization, Boolean enable_cutscenes)
at Echoes_Randomizer.Program.Main(String[] args)
Seed: 434990904, Excluded pickups: 21

UchihaSasuke

2014-08-09 12:05:01 am

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

for me, the iso causes the system to turn off when i load it with nintendon't.

why do these iso opening programs have to be so shitty. same thing with mp1. they did weird things with teh files and cause extra problems.

Aruki

2014-08-09 12:07:35 am

Uchiha, have you tried with GC Iso Tool?

UchihaSasuke

2014-08-09 12:09:42 am

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

that's what i used. i only got a built iso with GC Iso Tool and that one makes the wii shut down.

Aruki

2014-08-09 12:12:11 am

hmm... you made a trimmed iso, right? If so I dunno what the problem is, it works for me. :s

UchihaSasuke

2014-08-09 12:23:49 am

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

i made it trimmed yeah.

the one thing that i noticed is that the result is bigger than a regular GC iso. they should be 1,425,760 KB but the one generated by GC Iso Tool is like 1,429,964 KB.

Aruki

2014-08-09 12:25:53 am

are there any extra files in the randomizer directory? Shouldn't be anything in there except the same files the game had on the disc to begin with. (For that matter, is the randomizer itself in the game folder?)

UchihaSasuke

2014-08-09 12:31:54 am

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

the randomizer is in a different folder then the folder that holds the game files.

OsamaBinTrollin

2014-08-09 12:43:25 am

i'm having the same issue uchiha. However mine seems to work with dios mios, but dios mios crashes for me alot.

ArmaRood

2014-08-09 12:45:20 am

Walruse

For whatever reason Nintendon't doesn't work with trimmed MP2 ISOs, at least for the NTSC version. PAL works fine with it