Early SA-X face off?

2006-02-05 12:58:19 pm

Good question, i dont even know. Maybe the deveolpers werent paying attention to how the Omega Metroids get killed. Im sure it doesnt have anything to do with how they evolved into being immune to missles. Im mean, its like saying that Metroids become immune to the ice beam and can get killed by just missles. It HAS to be how the deveolpers just made them.

DeathNoble

2006-02-05 02:52:32 pm

The fact that the Omega Metroid at the end of Fusion had been forcefully, rapidly evolved evolved. Since the federation was using their technology to create Omegas quickly, the theory I go on was that since it evolved so quickly, it's outer shell never had the time to fully develop and therefore could still be penetrated by beams. As for the reason it was invulnerable to Missiles would be thye fact that the Missiles in Fusion were Diffusion-type Missiles and therefore had some defect that normal Missiles didn't and therefore could not harm the Omega Metroid. And to answer the question that will most likely be asked... No, the Missiles in Fusion and the Missiles in all the rest of the games were totally different. Why? Probably because they had to redesigned for Samus to fire them from her redesigned arm cannon after the surgeries/X infection/Metroid vaccination.

Cracklingdarksamus

2006-02-05 03:48:25 pm

Youre right about the missles being different. I think the type or difference of missles would be where it was made. Samus original missles were made by the chozo, the missles in fusion were made by the GF, the missles in MP2 Ehoes were made by the Luminoth. Despite that, the lowest rate of missles might be from the GF, then Luminoth, then chozo. Just notice how in fusion, the super missles were added to the regular missles. Instead of being seperate. I think all the power-ups in fusion were made by the GF, since they download it into a computer which genetically is infused within samus, once she steps in that platform thing. Instead of being "spiritually" inhansed within samus, as seen in Metroid, Metroid 2, super metroid, and the Prime series. Haaving all of that down, if samus had her original missles, she MIGHT be able to damage Omega Metroid with it.

nn12000

2006-02-05 11:21:48 pm

Mister ...

If there was some way to skip the Diffusion and maybe Ice Missile upgrades, then It may be possible. Highly doubtful though.

Cracklingdarksamus

2006-02-06 06:51:44 pm

If that happened, then the total % would be dropped to -0% or somtething like that. And we would want that rather than guessing if Samus can use her regulaer missles to kill OM right? Wink

DeathNoble

2006-02-06 07:00:53 pm

It wold not go to a negative percent, you forget: Major Upgrades have no percent.

nn12000

2006-02-06 07:05:11 pm

Mister ...

Quote from DeathNoble:

It wold not go to a negative percent, you forget: Major Upgrades have no percent.

SO, theoretically, a 0% run is possible? That's gotta be hard.

Chanoire

2006-02-06 08:31:04 pm

...

1) -0 = 0

2) There's a sticky in this very board: "0% solved (but not humanly possible?)"

Cracklingdarksamus

2006-02-06 10:48:30 pm

oh yea, i forgot that the power ups dont add a 0% to your score.Thanks for reminding me

DeathNoble

2006-02-07 03:53:51 pm

http://www.metroid2002.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2328

I did a 0% run, but I had to use an AR to keep the spark long enough. However Ekard did it, even with frame-byframe, I'll never know.

nn12000

2006-02-07 06:13:41 pm

Mister ...

So, are the Diffusion Missiles really good for anything?

Also, when you get the Gravity Suit, they say that you should go through the AQA sector to get back to the base, to pick up Diffusion Missiles. What would happen if you were to backtrack and go the way you came?
(Would suck if SA-X was right there ready to own you)

Chanoire

2006-02-07 07:02:06 pm

Can't backtrack, you get to Nightmare and the grav suit via crumble blocks. You can get around them with screw attack, but you don't have that yet.

nn12000

2006-02-07 07:12:16 pm

Mister ...

Quote from Chanoire:

Can't backtrack, you get to Nightmare and the grav suit via crumble blocks. You can get around them with screw attack, but you don't have that yet.

AAAHHHHH. Ok, didn't try it, though I shoulda. Ohwell.

EDIT:: Back to the Omega and Missiles. To bad shooting Missiles at the OMega's Mouth is ineffective. Freeze the dang thing from teh inside out.

LDreamNinja

2006-02-24 10:24:59 pm

Quote from Cracklingdarksamus:

Samus original missles were made by the chozo, the missles in fusion were made by the GF, the missles in MP2 Ehoes were made by the Luminoth. Despite that, the lowest rate of missles might be from the GF,

The missle launcher in Echoes was found in a GF crate. I guess they just can't make weapons worth crap. I bet'cha to make Ice Missles they were like: "Let's take out this here warhead and fill the cavity with liquid nitrogen!" wich would explian why they can't hurt Metroids, no punch.

NeoRidleyX

2006-03-04 12:39:59 pm

Quote from DeathNoble:

It's because if you do get an early SA-X Suit, absorb an X. Any X will do.

Now absorb an X while using frame-by-frame. You'll notice your suit reverts back to the Fusion Suit (Or whichever suit you actually have at the time) while she's absorbing the X.

sorry to burst your bubble, but that happens with all suits. and you don't need to go frame-by-frame. i found it out by watching verrrrry closley. the varia and gravity suits turn back to the fusion suit when you get an x. maybe the developers were to lazy to make separate sprites for the x-absorbtion for all suits, and said "ah hell. let's just make the absorbtion for the fusion suit the same for them all." it's just a theory of course...:paranoid:

nn12000

2006-03-04 06:58:02 pm

Mister ...

No good lazy ass people. What a ripoff. And I paid $14 for my Fusion used and I get this cheap thing?

Can nintendo say "Lawsuit"?

Anyways, on a more serious note.
Liquid Nitrogen is probably what the Federation used, darned ripoff artists. Eh, if it works, then who cares I guess. Might explain why The Omega is immune. Now that makes me wonder, what is the Ice Beam made from? Surely not Liquid Nitrogen? "cause that would turn into a gas. So?

Here's a question. YOu charge a Diffusion missile, you launch that motherflickerbatting thing off, and when it hits a wall, the 'snowflakes' twirl around the screen, and anything they touch become frozen. Even the SA-X. The SA-X, first off, why doesn't he/she/it have Gravity Suit equiped? Samus Had it in SM, soo?
Also, when Samus is equiped with the Varia, she is safe from Extreme Teperatures, yet, the SA-X isn't. WTF!? Any one have any ideas?

Is there a RANDOM QUESTIONS ABOUT METROID under the General Metroid or anything? I'd love to find out people's opinions on some of these questions I have.

No good lazy ass people.  What a ripoff.  And I paid $14 for my Fusion used and I get this cheap thing?

Can nintendo say "Lawsuit"?

Anyways, on a more serious note.
Liquid Nitrogen is probably what the Federation used, darned ripoff artists.  Eh, if it works, then who cares I guess.  Might explain why The Omega is immune. Now that makes me wonder, what is the Ice Beam made from? Surely not Liquid Nitrogen? "cause that would turn into a gas. So?

Here's a question.  YOu charge a Diffusion missile, you launch that motherflickerbatting thing off, and when it hits a wall, the 'snowflakes' twirl around the screen, and anything they touch become frozen.  Even the SA-X.  The SA-X, first off, why doesn't he/she/it have Gravity Suit equiped?  Samus Had it in SM, soo?
Also, when Samus is equiped with the Varia, she is safe from Extreme Teperatures, yet, the SA-X isn't.  WTF!?  Any one have any ideas?

Is there a RANDOM QUESTIONS ABOUT METROID under the General Metroid or anything?  I'd love to find out people's opinions on some of these questions I have.

A Silly Goose

2006-03-04 10:52:56 pm

Look, witty text!

I actually hadn't thought about how the SA-X is freezable despite having the Varia Suit... Maybe the reason Samus doesn't freeze from the ice beam upon gaining her Varia Suit is that the ice beam and blue X work by freezing you from the inside (and the Varia Suit prevents that from happening), whereas ice missiles freeze the SA-X because they do so from the outside. It makes sense, considering how quickly the SA-X can recover from being frozen, as if it only has to break out of an icy encasement, instead of having to "thaw."

As for Gravity Suit, it could easily be any one (or even combination) of a number of things:

The Gravity Suit module was deactivated (a la Super Metroid), and the SA-X never had reason to activate it.
The SA-X was, for some reason, unable to interface with the Gravity Suit.
The module was destroyed at some point during the Federation's removal of infected suit components from Samus's body, either by accident or (less likely) design.
Samus deactivates all of the modular components on her Power Suit when she puts it away in storage, and when getting it out last, she just happened to turn on the Varia Suit after the Gravity Suit, resulting in the orange coloration being "on top."
The list of possibilities goes on...

When it comes to how the ice beam works... Well, there's a reason why Chozo technology is considered highly advanced. If I had to come up with a hypothesis, though, it'd be that it works on "athermal energy," which would be one of a number of sci-fi variations of the dark energy that is a part of real-world scientific theory (or in other words, having no relation to MP: Echoes dark energy, just to be especially clear).

I actually hadn't thought about how the SA-X is freezable despite having the Varia Suit...  Maybe the reason Samus doesn't freeze from the ice beam upon gaining her Varia Suit is that the ice beam and blue X work by freezing you from the [i]inside[/i] (and the Varia Suit prevents that from happening), whereas ice missiles freeze the SA-X because they do so from the [i]outside[/i].  It makes sense, considering how quickly the SA-X can recover from being frozen, as if it only has to break out of an icy encasement, instead of having to "thaw."

As for Gravity Suit, it could easily be any one (or even combination) of a number of things:

[list][*]The Gravity Suit module was deactivated (a la Super Metroid), and the SA-X never had reason to activate it.
[*]The SA-X was, for some reason, unable to interface with the Gravity Suit.
[*]The module was destroyed at some point during the Federation's removal of infected suit components from Samus's body, either by accident or (less likely) design.
[*]Samus deactivates all of the modular components on her Power Suit when she puts it away in storage, and when getting it out last, she just happened to turn on the Varia Suit after the Gravity Suit, resulting in the orange coloration being "on top."
[*]The list of possibilities goes on...[/list]

When it comes to how the ice beam works...  Well, there's a reason why Chozo technology is considered highly advanced.  If I had to come up with a hypothesis, though, it'd be that it works on "athermal energy," which would be one of a number of sci-fi variations of the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy]dark energy[/url] that is a part of real-world scientific theory (or in other words, having no relation to MP: Echoes dark energy, just to be especially clear).

P.JMan

2006-03-05 03:06:31 am

I like Big Butts and I can not lie

yeah, but the ice beam dosn't freeze you, but freezes the SA-X

i think the sa-x just had gravity on, gravity always protected samus from heat, and sa-x is not a metroid so it's not as vulnerable to cold, i think it unfreezes quicker because it's stronger or the ice missle only gets to the gravity suit unlike all the other x who don't have a second layer

Chanoire

2006-03-05 06:10:25 pm

Eh? You never have the Ice Beam and the SA-X at the same time, because you get the Ice Beam from defeating the SA-X. So impossible to tell what effect it has on her.

nn12000

2006-03-05 06:56:13 pm

Mister ...

Quote from A Silly Goose:

As for Gravity Suit, it could easily be any one (or even combination) of a number of things: ...

Yeah, but in the opening cenematic, Samus only has her Varia Suit color. ... Nah, screw logic. I like your idea better

Quote:

she just happened to turn on the Varia Suit after the Gravity Suit, resulting in the orange coloration being "on top."

And I doubt that the SA-X wasn't compatable with the Grav. Suit.

As for the ICE Beam theory, That's right, the Ice X do freeze you from the inside. But, I doubt that the Ice Beam does the same, since you just nail the enemy, and they're automatically encased in ice, temporarily. Ice Missiles obviously freeze from the outside. But still, why does the SA-X get frozen from Ice Missiles, but not Samus when she blasts a fully charged Diffusion missile?

As for the Chozo Technology, isn't that what the Space Pirates are interested in?

A Silly Goose

2006-03-06 04:56:44 pm

Look, witty text!

Everyone's interested in Chozo technology.

As for the whole gravity suit thing, you pretty much hit the nail on the head with "forget logic." Although I realize I never actually came out and said it, the fact of the matter is that one can make up any number of excuses as a cover-up.

As for the ice beam freezing Samus, I just figure that the SA-X's armor-penetrating plasma beam allows the ice beam to penetrate Samus' shielding, up until she restores her Varia Suit functionality; once that extra shielding from temperature fluctuations is up, though, the ice beam is unable to penetrate even when piggy-backing on the plasma beam.

The diffusion missiles is just sitting in the same boat as the power bombs: just like how armor's effectiveness is inversely proportional to the amount of skin it covers in anime, projectiles are harmless to whomever they are fired from (excepting reflected shots) in video games.

Really, though, it's all a bunch of speculation and entirely beside the point of this thread... So I'll just shut my trap and let things get back on course.

[i]Everyone's[/i] interested in Chozo technology.

As for the whole gravity suit thing, you pretty much hit the nail on the head with "forget logic."  Although I realize I never actually came out and said it, the fact of the matter is that one can make up any number of excuses as a cover-up.

As for the ice beam freezing Samus, I just figure that the SA-X's armor-penetrating plasma beam allows the ice beam to penetrate Samus' shielding, up until she restores her Varia Suit functionality; once that extra shielding from temperature fluctuations is up, though, the ice beam is unable to penetrate even when piggy-backing on the plasma beam.

The diffusion missiles is just sitting in the same boat as the power bombs: just like how armor's effectiveness is inversely proportional to the amount of skin it covers in anime, projectiles are harmless to whomever they are fired from (excepting reflected shots) in video games.

Really, though, it's all a bunch of speculation and entirely beside the point of this thread...  So I'll just shut my trap and let things get back on course.

nn12000

2006-03-06 07:28:04 pm

Mister ...

Yeah, good point, this is the "Early SA-X Face off?" Thread, and we talk about everything but.

Eh, it's fine with me. That's kinda what I created this topic for, ask pointless questions about Fusion. Anyone know how I can re-name this topic?

I'm thinking about opening a "GENERAL METROID QUESTION" thread in the General metroid. One question would be, how in the heck does a 6 ft tall woman morph into a little 1 ft (?) big ball?

EDIT:
Dang, I'm out of senseless questions. I guess that's all that's left is to make and find some Stupid SA-X vids. or something.

Infamus

2008-07-02 11:01:46 am

uh... the ice beam uses a special kinetic energy to expand the gases around the shot which freeze EVERYTHING they hit

KennyMan666

2008-07-02 11:22:59 am

Viking

Precursor

Infamus, see this post, and stop doing it.