Discuss the plot (SPOILERS)

2010-09-06 04:42:05 pm

Quote from KingBroly:

Sector Zero was destroyed, wasn't it? The only thing that makes me scratch my head is since Sector Zero was blown up, how'd they get Adam's brain into a computer if his brain is space dust?

I think the implication was that Adam's mind was uploaded to the computer before he died, as a precaution. Makes sense, especially since he was being sent to his death in Other M.

KingBroly

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KingBroly: 2010-09-06 04:53:27 pm

KingBroly: 2010-09-06 04:50:48 pm

2010-09-06 04:50:31 pm

I guess that makes sense, but I'll be darned if I picked up on it. When I originally saw it, I thought they retconned the idea of the BSL being the only Metroid development lab, but now that I think about it, they sorta didn't. There's a pretty throw away line in Fusion where Adam says something like 'but you already knew of this, right?' when it refers to the Federation bio-engineering Metroids. That one line now becomes extremely significant.

We could probably also assume that they never got the baby Metroid's DNA in Super Metroid, but from Other M to save Samus' life. Although it makes you wonder how they got it before Other M came into play since the Space Colony blew up in Super, along with all potential research.

TheMG2

2010-09-06 06:28:56 pm

Quote from KingBroly:

We could probably also assume that they never got the baby Metroid's DNA in Super Metroid, but from Other M to save Samus' life. Although it makes you wonder how they got it before Other M came into play since the Space Colony blew up in Super, along with all potential research.

That is why they decided to make a game in between Super and Fusion rather than making Dread. Because of that one little plot hole.

sabata2

2010-09-06 09:13:39 pm

ANKOKU

They actually made another hole in the creation of Other M.

Listen to the intro dialog a little closer next time you play. Samus talks about how Metroids, Mother Brain, and Ridley were all but forgotten in the Galaxy's mind.

There is a really big time jump between her report that Zebes was destroyed and she got the "Baby's Cry" distress call.

TheMG2

2010-09-06 09:16:32 pm

I see a hole. I don't see a plot hole.

TheOthin

2010-09-06 09:17:12 pm

Does the time jump contradict anything? It actually makes sense, with how all the research would be set up in Other M. And I don't think Fusion ever specifies a timeframe.

KingBroly

2010-09-06 09:24:00 pm

Quote from sabata2:

They actually made another hole in the creation of Other M.

Listen to the intro dialog a little closer next time you play. Samus talks about how Metroids, Mother Brain, and Ridley were all but forgotten in the Galaxy's mind.

There is a really big time jump between her report that Zebes was destroyed and she got the "Baby's Cry" distress call.

I thought that was a given since if it was just like a day or maybe even a week they couldn't have made that many Metroids. I'd say it's more of a plot convenience than a plot hole. I doubt they could put anything in that time jump though.

Chozoid

2010-09-06 11:57:08 pm

As much as I would hate it to be true, maybe the theory of Adam faking his own death is real. After all, why would Adam have to detach Sector Zero and die with it if they were just going to blow up the Bottle Sip anyways? I just hope there isnt a Metroid: Another M. Not that I hated the game; I loved it, I just think they need to move on to something else and probably a different developer. I want to hear no more of the reference of a life-sucking-ginormous-evil-alien-parasite as "the baby," or how Samus feels sympathy for the entity that nearly killed her, killed and/or caused the deaths of all her squad excluding Anthony and nearly destroyed all humans.

On a slightly unrelated note, before I got the game, I had a bit of a fear that it would just end with Tourian and Mother Brain 3.0. However, after MB's report, I was sure that's exactly how it was going to end. As I was closing in on Sector Zero, I embraced the idea. Now that I thought of it, a 3d Tourian would be pretty cool. At least there'd be plenty of Metroids. But once I got there, Adam says, no, let me pointlessly kill myself instead. (also, I assumed that Samus would try to go on a suicidal mission to save Adam as a fulfillment of Anthony's "prophecy") So I was completely disheartened about the ending of the game. But as I got to Room MW, and fought out the "final" boss was a Queen Metroid rather than Ridley, I felt satisfied. It was cool to fight Metroids (no matter how frustrating the little bastards were) and fight the Queen in 3d. But then, all the emotional bullshit at the end left me with a negative feeling of the game. Then, I did the post-credit sequence, and a badass boss battle as well as playing as ZSS during the escape sequence left me satisfied again.

I really wish that they had included Phantoon in the plot. The boss battle was arguably the most epic in the series imo, but if they had put him as more of a "hey, I remember that guy!" kind of boss like they did with nightmare it might have been if he was random.

As much as I would hate it to be true, maybe the theory of Adam faking his own death is real.  After all, why would Adam have to detach Sector Zero and die with it if they were just going to blow up the Bottle Sip anyways?  I just hope there isnt a Metroid: Another M.  Not that I hated the game; I loved it, I just think they need to move on to something else and probably a different developer.  I want to hear no more of the reference of a life-sucking-ginormous-evil-alien-parasite as "the baby," or how Samus feels sympathy for the entity that nearly killed her, killed and/or caused the deaths of all her squad excluding Anthony and nearly destroyed all humans.

On a slightly unrelated note, before I got the game, I had a bit of a fear that it would just end with Tourian and Mother Brain 3.0.  However, after MB's report, I was sure that's exactly how it was going to end.  As I was closing in on Sector Zero, I embraced the idea.  Now that I thought of it, a 3d Tourian would be pretty cool.  At least there'd be plenty of Metroids.  But once I got there, Adam says, no, let me pointlessly kill myself instead.  (also, I assumed that Samus would  try to go on a suicidal mission to save Adam as a fulfillment of Anthony's "prophecy")  So I was completely disheartened about the ending of the game.  But as I got to Room MW, and fought out the "final" boss was a Queen Metroid rather than Ridley, I felt satisfied.  It was cool to fight Metroids (no matter how frustrating the little bastards were) and fight the Queen in 3d.  But then,  all the emotional bullshit at the end left me with a negative feeling of the game.  Then, I did the post-credit sequence, and a badass boss battle as well as playing as ZSS during the escape sequence left me satisfied again.

I really wish that they had included Phantoon in the plot.  The boss battle was arguably the most epic in the series imo, but if they had put him as more of a "hey, I remember that guy!" kind of boss like they did with nightmare it might have been if he was random.

SuperMissle

2010-09-11 12:25:22 am

All right, so...First I have a spoiler tag cause I haven't posted on this site for awhile and I'm not really sure of the rules. On topic: I have just one question. I played the game through, and I noticed a few plot holes, most of which were explained here, but there was one that still went unanswered. Whatever happened to the guy that sneaked up on Adam? As I recall, though I really do think I need a second play through, a bullet/shell casing fell on the floor. After you walk into that room at the end, there's no body or even evidence that anything happened. I am just a little confused as to who that was and even what happened.

Quote from Chozoid:

I just hope there isnt a Metroid: Another M.

That is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. Laughing

Prime Hunter

2010-09-11 12:30:33 am

That's a good question. It's kinda glazed over like a few other plot elements.

TheMG2

2010-09-11 09:28:55 am

Uh... Yes they did show a body. It was James. He shot the communicator on Adam's ear. He got killed by MB.

KingBroly

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KingBroly: 2010-09-11 10:00:15 am

2010-09-11 09:59:12 am

The whole 'Deleter shot at Adam' thing was a clever ploy though to make you think Adam was dead already, when he wasn't. He just left to cut Samus off at the pass. Also, I've read that some are speculating that this game is setting up MB to be some sort of Galactic Supercriminal, which is highly possible.

kesvalk

2010-09-11 10:48:39 am

Indie Lover

i still think there is something wrong with adam...

what happened in the middle of ridley fight, where you see his headset flying away and a shot?
they don't explain that part. and you only talk with MB about sector zero after the ridley fight, how the hell did adam saw that, he even stopped talking with samus after ridley...

KingBroly

2010-09-11 11:22:07 am

I believe that was just Samus thinking something happened to him. The Epilogue shows where he truly left. Adam sees and hears everything Samus does. Again, the epilogue shows that off, too. They show it a bit in the opening part of the game as well, if only for a second.

TheMG2

2010-09-11 02:22:53 pm

I think James missed Adam and hit his headset, but Adam retaliated and sent James running. He lost his chance to kill Adam, and that he would have to lure Adam out of his hidey-hole to kill him. So he decided to go lure Samus to the Bioweapon Developement Lab, and cause Adam to leave his position. He probably planned to kill Adam after killing MB, but killing MB didn't work like planned...

KingBroly

2010-09-11 05:39:28 pm

No, they explained that in the Epilogue. When Samus was talking to MB about stopping the S0 Metroids, it was revealed that Adam got up and left his post to stop Samus at Sector 0's entrance. In the scene during the game, after Samus leaves she thinks about what happened to Adam (I assume she heard him take off his headset and that's why she thought about it). She probably wasn't listening to him at all.

So basically, in the end, it's Samus' fault that Adam died.

TheMG2

2010-09-11 08:34:39 pm

You are forgetting that Samus lost contact with Adam while fighting Ridley. Samus was talking to MB after the fact.

KingBroly

2010-09-11 09:07:50 pm

Then why did she remember him saying "No, Samus"?

TheMG2

2010-09-11 09:14:31 pm

She didn't. Like she could "remember" Adam watching her from a totally different room. She only knows he left the helmet because he wasn't wearing it when he went to Sector Zero.

KingBroly

2010-09-11 09:22:20 pm

The visual was just a tool mind you. The words are what's important here. She clearly heard him, and ignored him.

TheMG2

2010-09-11 09:24:12 pm

...God dang it, when are people going to start interviewing Team Ninja?!?

TheOthin

2010-09-11 09:29:49 pm

Quote from KingBroly:

The visual was just a tool mind you. The words are what's important here. She clearly heard him, and ignored him.

And what exactly makes it so clear that she heard him? Bear in mind that when the game was played from her perspective, you don't hear any such words.

TheMG2

2010-09-11 09:31:55 pm

Also doesn't change the fact that he doesn't go "Samus, Respond Respond!" whenever you get a game over after the one cutscene.

KingBroly

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KingBroly: 2010-09-11 09:32:51 pm

2010-09-11 09:31:59 pm

She remembers it in the Epilogue. When she picks up his helmet, she remembers back to when she talked to MB, Adam screams "No, Samus", and he rushes off to stop her. She ignored him completely. Then, she hugs the helmet like 'dang, I'm sorry I screwed up, it sucks you had to die, I miss you, etc.'

TheMG2

2010-09-11 09:34:07 pm

Was Adam wearing his communicator in that cutscene?