Core-X trick

2004-11-29 09:30:31 pm

Echoes is at my doorsteps and here I am doing some more Fusion stuff. This time I didn't even attempt to think up anything; it just came up in an emu-rape. Now I gotta redo my previous battles...

Anyways, the short time that the Core-X is emerging, shots will go through it. Since you can fire Missiles quickly (I'm not sure about Super Missiles though), it's possible to have 2 Missiles inside of the Core-X when it becomes vulnerable. That is, you can hit him twice on the first wave so to speak. Serris normally takes 5 but I managed in 4: http://www.metroid2002.com/ekarderif/double_corex.avi. Not sure if this is manageable in a normal game but it'd speed things up provided you're insane enough :P.

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nate

2004-11-30 12:13:21 am

ekarderif strikes again. you'd better believe people will attempt this in the real game.

Bartz

2004-11-30 12:15:28 am

Yeah, I've done it tons of time when I was playing Fusion. It all depends on how close you are to it.

Wassup Dawgs

2004-11-30 12:37:18 am

That is awesome. Do you know how much time that could save?

Well now that I think about it, not much. Just under 10 seconds I think. I doubt you could shoot fast enough after super missiles, but I dunno.

Why didn't you say anything before Bartz!? No one ever did it in the runs. That could've been the 10 seconds I needed to get 0:49. :/

Ekarderif

2004-11-30 09:06:34 am

Well, it is Fusion. 10 seconds could mean that you have an awesome spawn somewhere. It could yield a 3 jump Zazabi, fast Yakuza, or a number of other stuff. It could also screw you over :?.

nate

2004-11-30 09:56:05 am

would be awesome to have a supercomputer run vba and figure out what the "resolution" of speed in fusion is, i.e. how many seconds a trick must save locally to necessarily amount to a different final time (globally).

not sure if that's clear so i'll say it another way: i want to know how much time a speed trick needs to save when you actually do the trick (i.e. ten seconds total if you get all of the double missiled core-x's off) in order to defeat the "fusioning" of the time (i.e. going faster due to the double missile trick might cause a slower spawn set/boss door later on). i suspect that it's more than ten seconds, unfortunately, but since it's random, you might actually save time in this case. you never know.

so the only way i can think of to figure that out is to have a supercomputer play through the game perfectly with and without speed tricks of various savings and see where the line falls (where it becomes faster on average to do a trick than to not).

Yoshi348

2004-11-30 10:58:37 am

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Ready and willing.

So, can anybody prove that optimizing Fusion would or wouldn't be an NP hard problem? :P

Wassup Dawgs

2004-11-30 04:18:54 pm

Quote from Ekarderif:

Well, it is Fusion. 10 seconds could mean that you have an awesome spawn somewhere. It could yield a 3 jump Zazabi, fast Yakuza, or a number of other stuff. It could also screw you over :?.

That's why I said...

Quote from Wassup Dawgs:

That could've been the 10 seconds I needed to get 0:49. :/

I wonder how many people will understand that locally, global statement of yours without reading the rest of you post. It's weird because I sure did.

Izo

2004-11-30 04:29:35 pm

soaking through

I did. But that's because that's the kind of thing I think about while lying awake at night. :D

Ekarderif

2004-11-30 05:47:52 pm

Oh, I didn't understand what you said. Go me Embarassed

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nate

2004-11-30 05:54:40 pm

Quote from Wassup Dawgs:

I wonder how many people will understand that locally, global statement of yours without reading the rest of you post. It's weird because I sure did.

Quote from Izo:

I did. But that's because that's the kind of thing I think about while lying awake at night. :D

ah, cool. i guess it helps that w.dawgs is a fusion runner and izo is pretty well integrated into the community (and probably read my 0:53 commentary, where all this crap started).

ShadowJedi

2004-12-01 05:10:18 am

Quote from njahnke:

Quote from Wassup Dawgs:

I wonder how many people will understand that locally, global statement of yours without reading the rest of you post. It's weird because I sure did.

Quote from Izo:

I did. But that's because that's the kind of thing I think about while lying awake at night. :D

ah, cool. i guess it helps that w.dawgs is a fusion runner and izo is pretty well integrated into the community (and probably read my 0:53 commentary, where all this crap started).

I understood it because I'm smart... :P

Now... To test this out...

Izo

2004-12-01 03:39:10 pm

soaking through

Ach; why don't quotes automatically disable smilies? I hate those stupid yellow faces.

Wassup Dawgs

2004-12-01 03:47:23 pm

They don't disable smilies?

Quote from Ekarderif:

Oh, I didn't understand what you said. Go me Embarassed

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EDIT: Hmmmm.... <_<
(Text smilies > picture smilies)

Yoshi348

2004-12-01 08:22:50 pm

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Ready and willing.

I think he means that smilies in the quotes are converted to text or pictures based on the settings for the post with the quote, not the original text. Like, if I quoted that stuff it'd be smilied.