contradiction

RT-55J

2006-09-13 07:22:37 pm

Armor Guardian

Why does Ark think System of a Down is the best band ever when They Might Be Giants is clearly superior in all aspects?

primetime

2006-09-13 09:13:08 pm

Quote from Arkarian:

Quote from primetime:

their old songs are just so random

As opposed to what?

As opposed to the many tens of songs I've heard before.

Doctor Omega

2006-09-13 09:27:49 pm

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Quote from RT-55J:

Why does Ark think System of a Down is the best band ever when They Might Be Giants is clearly superior in all aspects?

I don't know if I'd say "superior." Just as any other band, System of a Down has their flaws. Mind you, I'd rather sit down and listen to John Mayer or Jack Johnson rip it up on an acoustic than listen to a few guys scream about politics.

Just a personal preference, though. >___>

arkarian

2006-09-13 10:36:54 pm

red chamber dream

This might just be me, but I don't think SOAD really cares that much about politics. The beauty of their music is how they can just holler about anything and make it sound meaningful. Their lyrics just don't make total sense, except in a few songs.

Also, SOAD is not the best band ever; The Offspring is.

Doctor Omega

2006-09-14 12:44:06 am

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Quote from Arkarian:

Also, SOAD is not the best band ever; The Offspring is.

Heh, music is all personal preference, my dear boy.

I, personally, cannot STAND The Offspring. Their music just makes me want to hit something. They're music is just bland and I find it extremely hard, if not impossible, to get into. Of course, I'm not much for that style of music anyway, so take that information and do with it what you will. >___>

I'm a die-hard acoustic/clean guitar fan. I find it absolutely ineffable how John Mayer can play the diminished/half-diminished chords along with an extra 13th thrown in the fray, just to spice things up. His style of playing is unlike any guitarist I've ever seen. He's got something that 99% of the more famous bands and their guitarists do not; a degree. He's a graduate of Berkeley with a degree in theory and performance, if I recall correctly. 90% of playing the guitar is knowing exactly what fingers to place on what frets at any given time to produce chords unfathomable to the human hands or brain. He strays away from your typical A, C, E, G progressions and sticks mainly to diminished, half-diminshed, and otherwise, strangely modulated chords. His favorite one, as I've heard it in many of his songs, is an E13. It's a simply delicious version of an E, only way up the neck. He also uses primarily the Dorian, Phyrigian, and Mixolydian musical modes to produce a sound that I've never heard from anyone else to ever pick up a guitar. His knowledge far surpasses any guitar player known. And we all know, from school house rock, that knowledge is power.

So yes, my position stands. If anyone can show me a guitar player with as much musical talent and knowledge as John Mayer, I'll be most greatful. I'm always anxious to hear a new musician, as I am one myself.

Cheerio.

[quote="Arkarian"]Also, SOAD is not the best band ever; The Offspring is.[/quote]

Heh, music is all personal preference, my dear boy.

I, personally, cannot STAND The Offspring.  Their music just makes me want to hit something.  They're music is just bland and I find it extremely hard, if not impossible, to get into.  Of course, I'm not much for that style of music anyway, so take that information and do with it what you will. >___>

I'm a die-hard acoustic/clean guitar fan.  I find it absolutely ineffable how John Mayer can play the diminished/half-diminished chords along with an extra 13th thrown in the fray, just to spice things up.  His style of playing is unlike any guitarist I've ever seen.  He's got something that 99% of the more famous bands and their guitarists do not; a degree.  He's a graduate of Berkeley with a degree in theory and performance, if I recall correctly.  90% of playing the guitar is knowing exactly what fingers to place on what frets at any given time to produce chords unfathomable to the human hands or brain.  He strays away from your typical A, C, E, G progressions and sticks mainly to diminished, half-diminshed, and otherwise, strangely modulated chords.  His favorite one, as I've heard it in many of his songs, is an E13.  It's a simply delicious version of an E, only way up the neck.  He also uses primarily the Dorian, Phyrigian, and Mixolydian musical modes to produce a sound that I've never heard from anyone else to ever pick up a guitar.  His knowledge far surpasses any guitar player known.  And we all know, from school house rock, that knowledge is power.

So yes, my position stands.  If anyone can show me a guitar player with as much musical talent and knowledge as John Mayer, I'll be most greatful.  I'm always anxious to hear a new musician, as I am one myself.

Cheerio.

SABERinBLUE

2006-09-14 12:50:49 am

Cook of the Sea

Quote from Doctor Omega:

If anyone can show me a guitar player with as much musical talent and knowledge as John Mayer, I'll be most greatful.

Segovia?

Chanoire

2006-09-14 03:03:16 am

Quote from Doctor Omega:

He's got something that 99% of the more famous bands and their guitarists do not; a degree. He's a graduate of Berkeley with a degree in theory and performance, if I recall correctly.

Now, this interested me, because I'm a graduate of the Berkeley music department myself, and I know they haven't had a performance program in the fifteen years I've been on campus. So I glanced at Wikipedia. It looks like he attended "the other Berkeley", the Berklee College of Music, which is more what I'd expect for a contemporary performer. The entry also implies that he never finished his degree.

Quote from Doctor Omega:

90% of playing the guitar is knowing exactly what fingers to place on what frets at any given time to produce chords unfathomable to the human hands or brain.

There are a great many instruments which are 90% knowing what fingers to place where and when. Probably true of other pursuits as well.

Doctor Omega

2006-09-14 03:39:48 am

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Blah, I messed up the spelling. >__>

Point still remains. And I have no idea why it would return the fact that he "never finished his degree." That, from what I've seen and heard, is entirely false. His "Heavier Things" album thanks the university itself. Not to mention, when I was at summer camp two years ago, the leader of the music was also attending at the same time John Mayer was, and, from him, is where I first heard the idea of John even being in college. He said that he graduated. But then again, my post was based on word of mouth and that specific thanks in his album credits.

But hey, I could be dead wrong. I do try my best to make sure I have the facts before posting, and to the best of my knowledge, those still are facts. Feel free to prove me wrong. I'll not contest if such is the case. extra_smug

Either way, the man is phenominal guitar player, finished degree or not.

Zeke

2006-09-14 07:42:18 am

Time bomb set get out fast!

Am I out of my mind to give Nate this link?

SABERinBLUE

2006-09-14 08:33:56 am

Cook of the Sea

Quote from Doctor Omega:

Either way, the man is phenominal guitar player, finished degree or not.

Segovia.

arkarian

2006-09-14 05:28:54 pm

red chamber dream

Doctor Omega, my dear boy, did you know that Bryan "Dexter" Holland (lead singer/rhythm guitarist) was his high school valedictorian, has a Ph.D. in Molecular Biology, has his pilot's licence, and flew solo around the world in ten days? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's much higher education that what John Mayer has done.

However, my point isn't that Dexter has had high education; it's that the education a band member has is not important - at all. They're playing instruments, not writing research papers.

Quote from Doctor Omega:

I, personally, cannot STAND The Offspring. Their music just makes me want to hit something.

Well, they do have a song called "Hit That". :P
I would be willing to bet that they love to provoke that kind of reaction in people.

Quote from Zeke:

Am I out of my mind to give Nate this link?

nate's seen it; he's even used it as an Alizée lock. I currently also have it saved to my drive. :)

Doctor Omega, my dear boy, did you know that Bryan "Dexter" Holland (lead singer/rhythm guitarist) was his high school valedictorian, has a Ph.D. in Molecular Biology, has his pilot's licence, and flew solo around the world in ten days? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's much higher education that what John Mayer has done.

However, my point isn't that Dexter has had high education; it's that the education a band member has is [i]not[/i] important - at all. They're playing instruments, not writing research papers.

[quote="Doctor Omega"]I, personally, cannot STAND The Offspring. Their music just makes me want to hit something.[/quote]
Well, they do have a song called "Hit That". :P
I would be willing to bet that they love to provoke that kind of reaction in people.

[quote="Zeke"]Am I out of my mind to give Nate [url=http://www.sadgamer.com/~milkmandan/SA/Alizée.gif]this link[/url]?[/quote]
nate's seen it; he's even used it as an Alizée lock. I currently also have it saved to my drive. :)

trh

2006-09-14 05:36:07 pm

Quote from Arkarian:

Quote from Zeke:

Am I out of my mind to give Nate this link?

nate's seen it; he's even used it as an Alizée lock. I currently also have it saved to my drive. :)

No you haven't, I have patent on the Alizée lock. :P

spineshark

2006-09-15 02:45:09 pm

in the name of justice!

Reading the last page of this thread makes me wonder...

Does hating angry white boys make me an angry white boy?

Hahaha, hell.

arkarian

2006-09-15 04:00:21 pm

red chamber dream

Quote from trh:

No you haven't, I have patent on the Alizée lock. :P

Oh, whoops, thought it was nate who made that lock (It's been too long, sorry).

Also, huh? I just have the .gif saved to my drive is all.

Doctor Omega

2006-09-15 07:35:06 pm

Gack ack ack ack!

Quote from Arkarian:

Doctor Omega, my dear boy, did you know that Bryan "Dexter" Holland (lead singer/rhythm guitarist) was his high school valedictorian, has a Ph.D. in Molecular Biology, has his pilot's licence, and flew solo around the world in ten days? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's much higher education that what John Mayer has done.

And how does that have anything to do with a degree in music, which is what my post centered on? I can name 10 people I know that have higher degrees than him too. Hell, in two years, I'll have my batchelors in Networking Security.

And no, you're right. It's higher than Mayer, but that was a shot 10 miles from the bullseye.

SABERinBLUE

2006-09-15 09:20:53 pm

Cook of the Sea

Quote from Doctor Omega:

but that was a shot 10 miles from the bullseye.

Can you be any more condescending?

mangadood

2006-09-15 09:28:09 pm

Too many fangirls to count

Why do people like to run away from me when I take out a gun?

Doctor Omega

2006-09-15 10:19:47 pm

Gack ack ack ack!

Quote from SABERinBLUE:

Quote from Doctor Omega:

but that was a shot 10 miles from the bullseye.

Can you be any more condescending?

Condescending?

How was that condescending?

I'm terribly sorry if you view it as such, because I wasn't trying to sound that way. I was merely talking about Mayer's music degree. Then I see a reply that says that a PH.D in biology or whatever is higher than what Mayer has merited. Yes, yes it is, but that wasn't the point. It was a shot "10 miles from the bullseye." But if I offended, I humbly apologize. Didn't realize that would be taken so personally... laugh new

SABERinBLUE

2006-09-15 10:21:38 pm

Cook of the Sea

When you get all fancy in telling the other guy he's wrong, that's called "gloating". Have some class, man.

mangadood

2006-09-15 10:43:42 pm

Too many fangirls to count

Where are you, nate?

nate

2006-09-15 10:51:10 pm

in the library grading papers. ;-[

mangadood

2006-09-15 11:01:21 pm

Too many fangirls to count

T_T

No Contradiction update makes mangadood sad.

nate

2006-09-15 11:06:35 pm

me too.

arkarian

2006-09-16 12:39:24 am

red chamber dream

DO, what I was trying to say was that degrees don't matter in music. I mean, they can help the musician learn some harmonics and such, but in the long run, an aspiring artist either has what it takes or doesn't.

Obviously, there are people who like both John Mayer and The Offspring (I believe The Offspring has sold way more than Mayer btw), so their degrees have nothing to do with the music they produce: it's all about people's tastes.

Now, don't get me wrong. I love John Mayer (he's actually one of The Offspring's big collaborators/friends: he does the intro for their American record, as well as various other voices in some of their songs). I'm only bothering to comment, because your arguments are just so farcical that they must be stopped.

Nida

2006-09-16 12:45:36 am

"Welcome/To/Ameri/Cana"? That was Mayer? "Please/Make/Your/Selection"? o_O

In re: The Offspring, I have to say that you can have all the badass chord structures and progressions in the world; you can grace the hell out of your notes; you can play in any scale you want all day long - but if the band is a unit, if the energy is present, and the feeling is there, a bunch of jerkwads playing four power chords over and over can whoop the hell out of Mayer any day. See: "Pay the Man", Americana, The Offspring.