Bomb jump over the moat/ 5-Missile run possible??

Metroid Jelly

2005-04-18 01:25:25 am

Just had this crazy idea:

Could someone test if it is possible? (If you even understand that Wink

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JaggerG

2005-04-18 01:32:57 am

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

It's probably possible. Do it. BWAHAHA!!!

Metroid Jelly

2005-04-18 01:37:38 am

On my calculations you could do a 8% Run. But only if that trick is possible.

Kejardon

2005-04-18 02:17:30 am

Embarrasing Fact: Power suit made by lowest bidder

Can't do it. Not like that.
If you attempt to wall jump off of that pillar, the top block will be detected first by the wall jump. In this case, that's the missile. If you try to go lower, you'll dip into the water and just sink.

The wall-jump followed by diagonal-bomb jump itself is possible, though, but you can't do it without picking up the missiles. It's technically the fastest method, but it's somewhat harder than two diagonal-bomb jumps; you need near perfect positioning with both the wall jump and laying the bomb. With practice, though, it's a viable method. The bomb should be placed much higher, though. Actually, the tip of your blue line in the pic looks almost perfect. Maybe a few pixels right and up. Hit the bomb for max speed (be holding right as the bomb explodes), then unmorph when you've fallen back down to that same height - that actually gets you a bit more distance.
Oddly, the hardest part is getting a good wall jump for the bomb jump. Often, you'll jump too low or too close to the pillar.

Aside from all that, it's possible (but incredibly difficult) to just horizontal bomb jump over the entire lake.

It's all moot, though, since there's no reason why skipping the missiles will give you a lower percent; you need them to beat MB's first phase.

And if you're talking about using the space/time beam to beat the game... that isn't a valid way of winning. And you'll also have to horizontal bomb jump over the entire room to the Chozo Statue for the Gravity Suit. You also would have 10%: Morph, bombs, missile, super missile, power bomb(both entrances to the main part of Maridia require it), Gravity Suit(Get out of Draygon's room), Charge(kill Botwoon, 5 supers and 5 missiles isn't enough), Ice, Spazer, Plasma.

Can't do it. Not like that.
If you attempt to wall jump off of that pillar, the top block will be detected first by the wall jump. In this case, that's the missile. If you try to go lower, you'll dip into the water and just sink.

The wall-jump followed by diagonal-bomb jump itself is possible, though, but you can't do it without picking up the missiles. It's technically the fastest method, but it's somewhat harder than two diagonal-bomb jumps; you need near perfect positioning with both the wall jump and laying the bomb. With practice, though, it's a viable method. The bomb should be placed much higher, though. Actually, the tip of your blue line in the pic looks almost perfect. Maybe a few pixels right and up. Hit the bomb for max speed (be holding right as the bomb explodes), then unmorph when you've fallen back down to that same height - that actually gets you a bit more distance.
Oddly, the hardest part is getting a good wall jump for the bomb jump. Often, you'll jump too low or too close to the pillar.

Aside from all that, it's possible (but incredibly difficult) to just horizontal bomb jump over the entire lake.

It's all moot, though, since there's no reason why skipping the missiles will give you a lower percent; you need them to beat MB's first phase.

And if you're talking about using the space/time beam to beat the game... that isn't a valid way of winning. And you'll also have to horizontal bomb jump over the entire room to the Chozo Statue for the Gravity Suit. You also would have 10%: Morph, bombs, missile, super missile, power bomb(both entrances to the main part of Maridia require it), Gravity Suit(Get out of Draygon's room), Charge(kill Botwoon, 5 supers and 5 missiles isn't enough), Ice, Spazer, Plasma.

Red Scarlet

2005-04-18 06:06:52 am

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

Quote from Metroid Jelly:

On my calculations you could do a 8% Run. But only if that trick is possible.

You suck at calculating.

14% is the lowest current legit %, and Kej's 10 for sneaky methods.

Metroid Jelly

2005-04-18 11:39:00 am

1% Morph ball.
2% One Missile.
3% One Super Missile.
4% One Powerbomb.
5% Bombs.
6% Spazer.
7% Plasma.
8% Gravity suit.

Yup.

That's it. Use the Spazer & Plasma to Glitch the game to put you in the escape sequence.

Skreemaster

2005-04-18 11:52:23 am

I'll be back. Maybe...

Don't you need the Speed Booster or the Space Jump to activate the Spazer/Plasma combo?

Purple Lizard

2005-04-18 11:55:11 am

How do you intend to kill botwoon? 5 missiles + 5 super missiles is not enough to kill him without charge. Same with Ridley.

Skreemaster

2005-04-18 11:57:11 am

I'll be back. Maybe...

Probably using the Bombs...

Purple Lizard

2005-04-18 12:03:50 pm

Edit:

Just recapping what Kej said earlier, but even with 5 PBs it's not enough to kill Ridley without charge beam (don't remember if PB hurts Botwoon). In addition, that shortage of missiles won't get you past MB's first phase, where you have to break through the glass and hurt her enough.

Kejardon: Do you still have a copy of your updated 14/15% faq around? I misplaced the file, and the one on GFaqs is outdated, I think?

Skreemaster

2005-04-18 12:06:47 pm

I'll be back. Maybe...

Aren't there rinkas in MB's fight, or is that just ZM?

You'd probably have to take the Charge Beam as well, though.

Purple Lizard

2005-04-18 12:09:46 pm

Yes, there are, but I don't think they leave drops in this game, otherwise the minimum missile requirement wouldn't be there. I could be wrong though.

Metroid Jelly

2005-04-18 12:29:58 pm

You can kill any boss with charge beam or not. Every boss reproduces at least one thing that can be destroyed and it will most likely give you at more missiles.

Dragonfangs

2005-04-18 12:32:49 pm

Not MB's first phase. There's a reason for 10 Missiles and 10 Supers being the minimum you know.

Skreemaster

2005-04-18 12:34:58 pm

I'll be back. Maybe...

Wouldn't 5 missiles and 15 supers be better?

Ekarderif

2005-04-18 12:51:45 pm

5/15 is better against Ridley and Draygon, but it's impossible in an ice 14%.

Skreemaster

2005-04-18 12:55:02 pm

I'll be back. Maybe...

Then do a 10%.

Stuff listed above + Missiles + Supers.

Besides, it has to be possible on the console, and go via Mother Brain, and MJ's way doesn't qualify for either category.

Ekarderif

2005-04-18 12:57:38 pm

And no one counts the space/time escape as a legitimate ending.

Kejardon

2005-04-18 02:45:58 pm

Embarrasing Fact: Power suit made by lowest bidder

"You can kill any boss with charge beam or not."
Absolutely false. Botwoon has no projectiles you can kill for pickups. Neither does Ridley or all of MB's phases, but you don't need to kill them for a space/time run.
This ruined one of my earliest attempts at a low percent when I entered the room with Zebetites armed with 5 missiles and 5 super missiles, and last saved in the room just before. >_<
And you'll also need ice beam to reach Draygon, and to trigger the space/time beam. Spazer/Plasma alone is a guaranteed crash.

That said, there is a way to get only 8%, but it's even more illegitimate: Pick up a ton of missiles to kill Botwoon and skip the charge beam, then use the reset glitch to get rid of them, *then* use the space/time beam to end the game early.

Purple Lizard: The one on GameFAQs is the latest *finished* version... I meant to update it but got sidetracked with Ridley again. >_< I have a semi-updated version online right now, but there's still a bunch of stuff I need to finish.
http://www.metroid2002.com/kejardon/Documents/super_metroid_15.txt
I've figured out all the additional information for Ridley I wanted, I just never got around to updating it. And the spelling... well. I procrastinate naturally when it comes to English. ;)

"You can kill any boss with charge beam or not."
Absolutely false. Botwoon has no projectiles you can kill for pickups. Neither does Ridley or all of MB's phases, but you don't need to kill them for a space/time run.
This ruined one of my earliest attempts at a low percent when I entered the room with Zebetites armed with 5 missiles and 5 super missiles, and last saved in the room just before. >_<
And you'll also need ice beam to reach Draygon, and to trigger the space/time beam. Spazer/Plasma alone is a guaranteed crash.

That said, there is a way to get only 8%, but it's even more illegitimate: Pick up a ton of missiles to kill Botwoon and skip the charge beam, then use the reset glitch to get rid of them, *then* use the space/time beam to end the game early.

Purple Lizard: The one on GameFAQs is the latest *finished* version... I meant to update it but got sidetracked with Ridley again. >_< I have a semi-updated version online right now, but there's still a bunch of stuff I need to finish.
http://www.metroid2002.com/kejardon/Documents/super_metroid_15.txt
I've figured out all the additional information for Ridley I wanted, I just never got around to updating it. And the spelling... well. I procrastinate naturally when it comes to English. ;)

NecroWeapon

2005-04-20 07:39:12 am

No thats wrong.

Ridley drops Items.

I dont know how, but i think it was the fireballs when they hit the right or left wall.They drop Energy !! REALLY

Sasuke_Kun

(user is banned)

2005-04-20 07:46:57 am

So untrue, dude. Ridley drops nothing in both fights; the only games he leaves pickups in are MZM and MP.

Ekarderif

2005-04-20 11:05:57 am

Arguing with Kejardon about Super Metroid is like arguing with Einstein about algebra: it's a fucking bad idea.

NecroWeapon

2005-04-22 05:02:47 am

No, really I dont know how, but im sure that i see some pickups, maybe cause Im playing Pal. But I only see it one time , because I thought too, that ridley doesnt drop Items.

graveworm

2005-04-22 09:12:54 am

There are no drops from Ridley in NTSC or PAL, except from when you killed him, and those wont help you much.

RT-55J

2005-04-22 09:24:44 am

Armor Guardian

To the topic creator: isn't there a bomb block at the bottom of that pillar?